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Monstrously Massive Big Mutant





The Wastes of Krieg

Here is a list I threw together and was looking for some feedback.

- Renegade Commander (1) [29 Points] {HQ / Warlord}
• Autogun
• Powersword

- Rogue Psyker Coven [100 Points Total] {HQ}
• Rogue Psyker (5)
- Bare Hands

- Renegade Ogryn Beast Handlers [95 Points] {Elite}
• Ogryn Pack Master (1)
- Ripper Claws
- Mauler Goad
• Chaos Mauler Hounds (6)
- Befouled Fangs & Claws

- Renegade Militia [45 Points] {Troops}
• Renegade Militia (9)
- Lasgun
- Frag Grenade
- Vox Caster
• Renegade Militia Champion (1)

- Renegade Militia (47 Points)
• Renegade Militia (7)
- Lasgun
- Frag Grenades
- Vox Caster
• Renegade Militia Heavy Weapons Team (1)
- Heavy Stubber
• Renegade Militia Champion (1)
- Lasgun
- Frag Grenade

- Renegade Heavy Weapon Squad [48 Points] {Heavy Support}
• Renegade Heavy Weapon Teams (6)
- Lasgun
- Frag Grenades
- Mortar

- Renegade Marauder Squad [73 Points] {Elite}
- Specialists: Hereteks
• Marauder (9x6)
- Laspistol
- Brutal Assault Weapon
- Frag Grenades / Krak Grenades
• Marauder Chief (1)
- Plasma Pistol
- Power Fist
- Frag Grenades / Krak Grenades

Renegade Marauder Squad [34 Points] {Elite}
- Specialists: Stalker
• Marauder (4)
- Lasgun
- Frag Grenades / Krak Grenades
- Sniper Rifle (2)
• Marauder Chief (1)
- Lasgun
- Frag Grenade / Krak Grenade

Rapier Laser Destroyer Squad [168 Points Total] {Heavy Support}
• Rapier Laser Destroyer (2)
- Laser Destroyer
• Guardsmen Crew (4)
- Lasgun
- Frag Grenades

- Hellhound [202 Points] {Fast Attack}
• Hellhound
- Inferno Cannon
- Heavy Bolter
• Hellhound
- Melta Cannon
- Heavy Bolter

- Renegade Command Squad [80 Points] {Elite}
• Disciple (9)
- Autogun
- Frag Grenade
- Krak Grenade
- Banner of Hate
- Command Vox Net

- Renegade Disciples (47 Points)
• Renegade Disciples (2)
- Lasgun
- Frag Grenades / Krak Grenades
- Vox Caster
• Renegade Disciples Heavy Weapons Team (1)
- Autocannon
• Renegade Disciple Champion (1)

- Chaos Spawn (1) [33 Points] {Fast Attack}
• Hideous Mutations


This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2019/01/14 15:20:27


 
   
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak





Oh, well look at that, it's renegade list:

Firstly:
Cultist champions don't get access to the arsenal. in other words, they don't get a Power axe.

Secondly the first militia squad is pointed wrong. you get 5 pts less on it's cost.


- Renegade Militia [55 Points] {Troops}
• Renegade Militia (9)
- Lasgun (9 x 0)
- Frag Grenade
- Chaos Sigil
- Vox Caster
• Renegade Militia Champion (1)


On the second militia squad, the point cost is missing and why pick a heavy bolter for 8pts when you have access to the heavy stubber for 2 pts.
On ten man squads i find sigils also less worth then voxes, i'd get rid of them, saves you 10 pts (or gives your militia mortars.)

Marauders; Ok ehm, they can do anything, yes that includes melee, however murder cultists is worthless. Simply put with a 6ppm model that hits on 3+ anyways you don't need rerolls to hit, what you need is something that boosts strength, and not even the Khorne covenant is doing that since, Marauders lack covenant buffs. Not to discourage you tho, split the squad into 2 five man squad and deliver them via valkyrie/ chimera and get yourself the 4+ armor instead. (or go 10 man blobs with stalker specialisation since it even grants -1 to hit on all distances.)
As for the brutes, don't bother with them, get yourself more chaos spawn or another unit of marauders for it's base price.

Hellhounds are a solid choice, i'd pick the bolter over the melta though.

Command squads that are equipped with a Banner and Vox need padding, preferably you also run 2+ command voxes since that significantly buffs morale for all units with voxes (e.g. militia)




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A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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The Wastes of Krieg

A lot of my options are limited by budget. I'm trying to use official GW and FW models. So far I could only get one box of the command squad models.
   
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DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
A lot of my options are limited by budget. I'm trying to use official GW and FW models. So far I could only get one box of the command squad models.


Not to worry, one squad is allready a great boon, talking from experience.
Replace the cultist squad with a militia squad, (then it is legal)

Little hint, (mix cultists, GSC cultists and GSC Ig squads are also great with the options for shotguns, stubbers, autoguns and mutations covered) I am also sure you have access to bits, stubbers f.e. you can make out off ig vehicle additions. (they got one and most people don't use one,ergo find an IG player, surely you have something you could trade in.)

Just a suggestion, you could run this list also completely with Disciples and Command Squad disciples, and in a vanguard detachment.
Cp anyways are unnecesarry for us.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/01/10 20:15:11


https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Portland

I'd say run them as vanilla guys until you get some more voxes then? Find someone who plays cadians since they'll have a million extra voxes IIRC?


My painted armies (40k, WM/H, Malifaux, Infinity...) 
   
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 spiralingcadaver wrote:
I'd say run them as vanilla guys until you get some more voxes then? Find someone who plays cadians since they'll have a million extra voxes IIRC?


This, Voxes , nade launchers, Stubbers should and could be found by any IG player. often times to happy to get rid of them.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
Made in us
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The Wastes of Krieg

I was actually thinking of having one squad of marauders (5 man) equipped with auto guns and sniper rifles in the rest along with my squad of mortars

Also any opinion on the Rapiers?
   
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DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
I was actually thinking of having one squad of marauders (5 man) equipped with auto guns and sniper rifles in the rest along with my squad of mortars

Also any opinion on the Rapiers?


I run two of these, they are actually great for price and cost.

Rapiers atm in strange place. Btw the Crew is guardsmen crew, so they are better then the rest.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
Made in us
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The Wastes of Krieg

Not Online!!! wrote:

On the second militia squad, the point cost is missing and why pick a heavy bolter for 8pts when you have access to the heavy stubber for 2 pts.
On ten man squads i find sigils also less worth then voxes, i'd get rid of them, saves you 10 pts (or gives your militia mortars.)


Did the stubbers get devalued in Chapter Approved? My book says they cost 4 each
   
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DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:

On the second militia squad, the point cost is missing and why pick a heavy bolter for 8pts when you have access to the heavy stubber for 2 pts.
On ten man squads i find sigils also less worth then voxes, i'd get rid of them, saves you 10 pts (or gives your militia mortars.)


Did the stubbers get devalued in Chapter Approved? My book says they cost 4 each


2 pts now, thanks to Ca.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
Made in us
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The Wastes of Krieg

Alright, I made an updated list based on what people suggested, and I now stand at 996 points
   
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What detachment are you going to use?

Vanguard?

That said you now field a decent ammount of high quality bodies, so you will witness the most efficient playstyle with r&h.
That said beyond the Laser Destroyers you have few heavy weapons. That can work considering marauders don't really run. ( hint if they fail use the brb reroll stratagem for the in it for the money test.)

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
Made in us
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The Wastes of Krieg

Well, one of the Hellhounds has a MeltaCannon on it, does that not count?
   
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The Wastes of Krieg

So I managed to snag some Renegade Ogryn and some Apostate Preachers (to be used as Malefic Lords) off EBay and was wondering what do people think I should take out for them?

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/01/21 03:25:48


 
   
 
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