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I think the answer is yes but it isn't specified in the faq.

I do not belive it stacks.

It says any vehicle which suffers wounds gets the penalty. Not every time it suffers wounds. It's the same weapon if it's fired by different Venators. I see it as a binary state "has suffered wounds" or "has not suffered wounds". A second wounding hit doesn't change that.

However, being FW, it is worded a bit more sloppily than similar abilities on other units, so the RAW is not as clear as it could be.

"Any VEHICLE which suffers wounds from this weapon but is not slain"

They do specify that it's weapon specific in the rules which makes me believe it stacks

ps i like how they go so far to mention 'is not slain' though. like it could shoot if it was slain

 Aijec wrote:
"Any VEHICLE which suffers wounds from this weapon but is not slain"

They do specify that it's weapon specific in the rules which makes me believe it stacks

ps i like how they go so far to mention 'is not slain' though. like it could shoot if it was slain

Yeah, it's badly written. Honestly, you can read it either way. The scope of "this weapon" could be this specific instance of this weapon, or all instances of this weapon.

As generally these rules do not stack, given no other guidance I think its best to assume the reading with precedence and that is more conservative.

Abilities with the same name don't stack. Can't quote from the FAQs right now, because I am writing this from my mobile.

 p5freak wrote:
Abilities with the same name don't stack. Can't quote from the FAQs right now, because I am writing this from my mobile.

Not true in the slightest. It is only auras that are prevented from stacking unless the rule explicitly says otherwise.

WARHAMMER 40,000 RULEBOOK Official Update Version 1.3 wrote:Q: Lots of aura abilities say they grant an ability to nearby units that are within range of any such models. Are the bonuses cumulative (i.e. if I am within range of two models with identical aura abilities, is the bonus doubled)?
A: Unless stated otherwise, no. The bonus for such an ability applies once if any (i.e. one or more) of these models are within range.

A good example of such a rule stacking is the new Custodes "Gravitic backwash" rule on their hover tanks.


The rule states that if a model with the rule is charged, the charging unit gets -2 to its charge range. If you charge multiple of their tanks it all stacks.

I would say it should stack, but really who's taking multiple venerators in a list for this to be more than a theory hammer?

Ice_can wrote:
I would say it should stack, but really who's taking multiple venerators in a list for this to be more than a theory hammer?

Right!? Who can afford not just one but TWO Forgeworld kits?

Ok, I stand corrected on the abilities. But it says wounds, which is plural, thus it doesn't matter if it 2 or 10 wounds, it's only -1 to hit.

 p5freak wrote:
Ok, I stand corrected on the abilities. But it says wounds, which is plural, thus it doesn't matter if it 2 or 10 wounds, it's only -1 to hit.

That is my interpretation also.

 Stux wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
I would say it should stack, but really who's taking multiple venerators in a list for this to be more than a theory hammer?

Right!? Who can afford not just one but TWO Forgeworld kits?

It's more the relic rule requires multiple elites my own list is kinda janky to fit a deredeo and 2 sicarans I can't imagine ever needing that much anti tank/titan weapons in 1 list as unlike asscannons or autocannons they can't double duty onto infantry.

Sicarn 1 This weapon isn't the same this weapon as Sicarn 2's though.

It's the same type of weapon, but not the same weapon.
If it said from a Neutron pulse cannon, thats clearly no stacking, i suspect the wounds is because they expect you to do more than 1 wound with something that has 3 hit on 3 wounds on 3 invulnerable saves only multi damage shots.

Ice_can wrote:
I would say it should stack, but really who's taking multiple venerators in a list for this to be more than a theory hammer?

Me? They are incredibly well costed. Fast durable tanks that give -1 to hit at 48'' range? They are sick

 Aijec wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
I would say it should stack, but really who's taking multiple venerators in a list for this to be more than a theory hammer?

Me? They are incredibly well costed. Fast durable tanks that give -1 to hit at 48'' range? They are sick

Not incredibly well costed, They are way too expensive for what they do.

 Aijec wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
I would say it should stack, but really who's taking multiple venerators in a list for this to be more than a theory hammer?

Me? They are incredibly well costed. Fast durable tanks that give -1 to hit at 48'' range? They are sick

Except -1 to hit is nothing compaired to -2 to hit eldar, durable, even my non castellen knight list and Tau lists wouldn't even blink at killing a sicaran a turn and probably but a good hurt on the second.
A souped up Castellen would eat both.

Thet are definataly playable but they aren't "incredibly well costed" they just arn't half as overcosted as 90% of the marine codex was.

Ice_can wrote:

 Aijec wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
I would say it should stack, but really who's taking multiple venerators in a list for this to be more than a theory hammer?

Me? They are incredibly well costed. Fast durable tanks that give -1 to hit at 48'' range? They are sick

Except -1 to hit is nothing compaired to -2 to hit eldar, durable, even my non castellen knight list and Tau lists wouldn't even blink at killing a sicaran a turn and probably but a good hurt on the second.
A souped up Castellen would eat both.

Thet are definataly playable but they aren't "incredibly well costed" they just arn't half as overcosted as 90% of the marine codex was.

I don't know what that jumbled mess of a sentence means but -1 to hit at 48'' is a massive deal. Did you guys happen to see what won the LVO? The sicaran frame is durable and very fast. Perfect tank for a UM list.

 Aijec wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

 Aijec wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
I would say it should stack, but really who's taking multiple venerators in a list for this to be more than a theory hammer?

Me? They are incredibly well costed. Fast durable tanks that give -1 to hit at 48'' range? They are sick

Except -1 to hit is nothing compaired to -2 to hit eldar, durable, even my non castellen knight list and Tau lists wouldn't even blink at killing a sicaran a turn and probably but a good hurt on the second.
A souped up Castellen would eat both.

Thet are definataly playable but they aren't "incredibly well costed" they just arn't half as overcosted as 90% of the marine codex was.

I don't know what that jumbled mess of a sentence means but -1 to hit at 48'' is a massive deal. Did you guys happen to see what won the LVO? The sicaran frame is durable and very fast. Perfect tank for a UM list.

I run two of sicarans obe is a venerator, I'm not saying their bad.

Your obviously not getting that -1 to hit if you wound the "castellen" sounds great untill you realise that you have to achive the following.

Wound a T8 3+, 3++ model.
Have the Castellen player care about -1 to hit, some people over charge them against -3 to hit eldar flyers, your -1 won't scare them.
Survive being in LOS of a Castellen when it shoots back.

Alitoc gets -1 at 12 inches as a basic trait people build in redundancy for the stacked - to hit BS which can get upto -3.

The best counter to a souped up Castellen is to not give it targets or one turn it, no matter the cost.

Also while autocannons etc can pull dubble duty vrs hoards a venetor is very anti armour focused if you add lascannons.
And that weapon is overkill on guardsmen.

I run mine as 3XHB SB big gun to keep them cheap.

They consistently wound when they are beside rowboat

Sicarans are very mobile so I'm able to keep them off the castellans radar map permitting.

It's one of the best answers SM have