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Hi Guys 2 questions:

I am looking at using the Vigilus detachment Emperors Conclave Infantry Company. There is a relic called "Litanies of the Holy Synod" that when the bearer dies, he confers fearless and +1 attack on a unit. If I then consolidate a squad to the one that had the benefit, would the benefit still be retained to the bigger unit?

Furthermore, the consolidate stratagem allows you to combined squads as long as they are same regiment. Lets say I had another detachment of the same regiment, can i consolidate a non Emperors Conclave squad to a conclave squad and would it retain its conclave status and still retain the benefit of the relic.

I am going to say its a yes to all of it.

Thanks

What happens if a squad of Boys has Looted a vehicle for a 5+ save then mobs up, do they all get the 5+ save?

I genuinely don't know the answer to this but his would give you a precedent.

I think the answer, based on my gut instinct, is no to both of your questions but who knows?

Yes i guess when I was thinking 10 guardsmen or less combining its not so bad, but when you can do it with other bigger units it could be a problem.

The problem with compairing it to "mob up" is that mob up states that both of the original squads are gone and a new squad is formed combining them to my knowledge, so their buffs are lost.

I don't remember if the "Form up" stratagem acts the same way.

Wording for Consolidate Squads is:

"You can merge these squads into a single unit and they are treated as such for the rest of the battle"

Wording for Mob Up is:

"If one of the units has 10 or more models, and the other has 10 or fewer, the two units merge and, for the rest of the battle, they are counted as a single unit for all rules purposes"

It's a grey area, we don't have a clear solution. Talk to your opponent before about how to resolve it and if you can't agree then roll off.

Yeah after some googling it appears that is the conclusion

However...

If a squad fell back and another squad was consolidated into it, most people would agree that the squad is considered to have still fallen back and cannot act as normal.

If the new unit inherits old units negatives, it would appear that good stuff should be inherited too.

At the end of the day its guardsmen so I dont think its too broken or overpowered. But it would dictate certain strategies.

I would argue the opposite, that the unit is always held back by its weakest members.

Stux wrote:It's a grey area, we don't have a clear solution. Talk to your opponent before about how to resolve it and if you can't agree then roll off.

Stux wrote:I would argue the opposite, that the unit is always held back by its weakest members.

Agreed.

 Smirrors wrote:
At the end of the day its guardsmen so I dont think its too broken or overpowered. But it would dictate certain strategies.

Which Guardsmen are you using?

Mob up and Form up work exactly the same way except for the extra limitations on each in terms of what can combine.

I think the answer to your question is no for both based on a vague memory of an answer to the Ork question. Either way, I wouldn't create a strategy around something so wooly.

The humble human, terrifying aliens everywhere!

Well it works both way, important to know not to cancel out a benefit.




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 Stux wrote:
I would argue the opposite, that the unit is always held back by its weakest members.

And you have armies like the Deathwatch that immediately pick up all the benefits from a single model! Obviously its a rule but the precedent is there.

I believe there was an FAQ that said yes they retain all benefits and negatives. I don't remember where it was.