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2019/03/11 01:43:18
Subject: Re:What model would you like to see the Guard get?
I don't mind the Cadians nearly as much now that we have upscaled Marines. Catachans being so big made sense, them being hulking giants in the fluff. Cadians being so big was just weird.
I do think they went too hard on the heroic proportions for the Cadians, and wouldn't mind seeing that dialed back in a new regiment, but I don't think they look that bad.
YELL REAL LOUD AN' CARRY A BIG CHOPPA!
2019/03/11 09:28:18
Subject: Re:What model would you like to see the Guard get?
I'll post here, rough riders with a vastly updated model and capability to make officers mounted as well as command squads with maybe a second type of unit. Like a mounted fire support version and the standard lance stabby version with some nice rules. No need to be over the top just workable. I'd be great with that.
Lacking that, an updated Bassie kit with a dual or more capability to have more big guns, that won't tire. That would be good as well. Though Rough Riders #1.
2019/03/11 10:45:15
Subject: What model would you like to see the Guard get?
Because you are exaggerating or outright misrepresenting the horse's usefulness on the modern battlefield. The horse is a beast of burden to be used to transport men and material across rough terrain, and ONLY when there is no access to vehicles which do the same thing except better. Horses have not been used seriously in combat since WW1.
They were used on the eastern front a lot. They and mules were used in combat situations in vietnam. Also what does use in combat mean. If a bicykle is used to get a soldier on to the very spot where he is engage in a firefight, like it was the case in korea, vietnam or chinesse civil war, then is the bike being use in a combat situation ?
What about horse drawn field artilery. Most german ones and most russian ones were horse pulled durning WWII.
If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
2019/03/11 20:45:59
Subject: What model would you like to see the Guard get?
Rough Riders all the way. All the guys bleating "but muh realism!" should remember that infantry charging with swords is about as out of place as cavalry, but we don't see them complaining that GW should squat the orks, genestealers and anybody waving a sword or an axe.
Giving you the option to run them as mounted infantry or standard heavy cavalry would be nice, though.
Outside of those, a nice casemated tank hunter/assault gun. Because StuG life.
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2019/03/11 20:47:43
Subject: What model would you like to see the Guard get?
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/03/11 21:51:21
Subject: What model would you like to see the Guard get?
Actually i forgot the Salamander scout tank. Could be a Salamander, chimera, Griffon one.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/03/11 22:37:42
Subject: What model would you like to see the Guard get?
A new multi-build artillery kit like that would definitely make me happy, especially if it wasn't a webstore exclusive. I can see why people might not like long-range artillery in non-Apocalypse settings, but I think they're fun.
As has been mentioned, we already Lieutenants. One thing that I think would be cool (but definitely not necessary) is having a Regimental Commander. Maybe not as a separate kit, but as an upgrade stratagem like Chapter Master for Space Marines? Maybe it could give access to a few new orders?
It has always struck me as a little weird that Chapter Masters can easily be taken in normal games but IG officers above the rank of Captain aren't an option* and neither are Ork Warlords (other than Ghazzy), despite both of those being far more common than Chapter Masters. Of course if the IG command staff ends up on the front lines things have gone horribly wrong and the Ork Warboss is probably an approximation of a wide variety of different Ork bosses. So it really isn't that weird. Tau also no longer have their different ranks of Commanders.
*I think this was an option in 3rd?
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2019/03/11 22:52:47
Subject: What model would you like to see the Guard get?
A Platoon Leader usually has the rank of Second Lieutenant, IIRC. There have been Imperial Guard Lieutenants as long as I've been playing.
Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades!
2019/03/11 23:54:26
Subject: What model would you like to see the Guard get?
A new multi-build artillery kit like that would definitely make me happy, especially if it wasn't a webstore exclusive. I can see why people might not like long-range artillery in non-Apocalypse settings, but I think they're fun.
As has been mentioned, we already Lieutenants. One thing that I think would be cool (but definitely not necessary) is having a Regimental Commander. Maybe not as a separate kit, but as an upgrade stratagem like Chapter Master for Space Marines? Maybe it could give access to a few new orders?
It has always struck me as a little weird that Chapter Masters can easily be taken in normal games but IG officers above the rank of Captain aren't an option* and neither are Ork Warlords (other than Ghazzy), despite both of those being far more common than Chapter Masters. Of course if the IG command staff ends up on the front lines things have gone horribly wrong and the Ork Warboss is probably an approximation of a wide variety of different Ork bosses. So it really isn't that weird. Tau also no longer have their different ranks of Commanders.
*I think this was an option in 3rd?
It makes more sense when you remember that the Chapter Master leads 1,000 guysbut broken up into penny packets usually. So in many cases, if the CM takes the field, it's in a company sized group at the best. A captain for the IG leads a company of 25-300 men, with about 100 being the average. In terms of the scale of forces, it's about right. A major or colonel probably wouldn't show up until you started to see battalion/regiment level deployments (300-1,000), which even for IG is above the scope of 40K. In both cases, the greater formations send out company and smaller sized forces, but while the marines are more likely to do this with their whole force, split over 5-30 warzones, thus meaning the CM either stays home with the logistic guys, or goes out with the force after the most difficult/prestigious/politically viable target. Meanwhile, though a regiment might send a platoon, or a company after an objective, the bulk of the regiment stays together, and that bulk is too large a formation for 40K, meaning the Colonel equivalent rank is more frequently off the table.
Just a theory on my part.
2019/03/12 02:50:30
Subject: Re:What model would you like to see the Guard get?
Literally the only reason we have this current mess with the officers is because for whatever reason someone decided to rename them from "Junior" and "Senior" Officers to the current setup.
Would people stop complaining about the ranks if it went back to that? Probably not. But it wouldn't hurt to do so.
2019/03/12 12:40:46
Subject: What model would you like to see the Guard get?
A Platoon Leader usually has the rank of Second Lieutenant, IIRC. There have been Imperial Guard Lieutenants as long as I've been playing.
Yes, but is there an actual model? A unit called platoon leader exists, but look at the title. Every model I have seen is a mash up of a SGT model with a company commander. I would love to see a dedicated unit model, for a unit that is pointless and serves no purpose.
Why are there 9 Baneblade variants? We are only going to use maybe 3. AM needs to reduce their bloat before we add in new models. Half the codex is stuff that hasn't been used in forever, and doesn't even have models anymore. Look at the pointless units first. Astropaths, Deathstrikes, Sentinels, Ogryns, Wyrdvane, and pretty much everything except Valks in the flyer lists. We don't need so many Lehman Russ variants. Especially when the base model outperforms all of them with the lone exception of the Punisher.
So, year, I don't see them needing any NEW models.
2019/03/12 12:48:50
Subject: What model would you like to see the Guard get?
A Platoon Leader usually has the rank of Second Lieutenant, IIRC. There have been Imperial Guard Lieutenants as long as I've been playing.
Yes, but is there an actual model? A unit called platoon leader exists, but look at the title. Every model I have seen is a mash up of a SGT model with a company commander. I would love to see a dedicated unit model, for a unit that is pointless and serves no purpose.
Gee, it's almost like there are compatible parts in the Company Command Squad box that allows for you to actually do mash-ups in such a way that people can make the models 'theirs'...
Crazy!
Why are there 9 Baneblade variants? We are only going to use maybe 3.
Because there are components for 9 Baneblade variants?
AM needs to reduce their bloat before we add in new models. Half the codex is stuff that hasn't been used in forever, and doesn't even have models anymore. Look at the pointless units first. Astropaths, Deathstrikes, Sentinels, Ogryns, Wyrdvane, and pretty much everything except Valks in the flyer lists. We don't need so many Lehman Russ variants. Especially when the base model outperforms all of them with the lone exception of the Punisher.
So, year, I don't see them needing any NEW models.
You've picked a weird hill to die on here.
2019/03/12 13:50:50
Subject: What model would you like to see the Guard get?
Fezzik a point, though.
For example, Deathstrike is supposed to be a tactical nuke able to obliterate half of the table. Now it goes *poof* and maybe kills something. What is 3D6 on a 4+? You get about 6 hits on average against a single unit. Pathetic.
Now, other units.
Vanquisher? Is any sane person deploying them?
Eradicator? Did you ever use it in 8th?
Exterminator? Same question.
Bane Wolf? Again...
Salamander? Once more...
Colossus? Griffon? Medusa? No?
I don't want to stir up discussion about what units are or are not, I'm just proving the point that we have plenty of units that are meh or crappy that nobody uses them.
A point that can be made for a vast number of armies.
For example, Deathstrike is supposed to be a tactical nuke able to obliterate half of the table. Now it goes *poof* and maybe kills something. What is 3D6 on a 4+? You get about 6 hits on average against a single unit. Pathetic.
Oh noes, Deathstrikes aren't great now! Not like they ever really were...
Also, if you're firing Deathstrikes and not using Vortex Missile Stratagem, you're doing it wrong anyways. Reroll failed hit rolls for it and add 1 to the roll made to determine whether other units within 6" are hit. If a model is wounded but not slain by the attack you roll another dice and on a 6 the model suffers a further D6 Mortal Wounds. With Vortex Missile: 3D6(so anywhere from 3 to 18) attacks, hitting on 4+s rerolling all failed hits. Those hits then become Mortal Wounds (not regular wounds) which is a Big Deal. And after all those hits have been resolved? You then get to inflict D3 Mortal Wounds on nearby enemy units on a 3+.
And don't act like a purely Guard army(which let's be real here, is the only place a Deathstrike really fits in) won't have CP to burn. They will.
Now, other units. Vanquisher? Is any sane person deploying them? Eradicator? Did you ever use it in 8th? Exterminator? Same question. Bane Wolf? Again...
Can't speak for anyone else, but yes. I'm using Vanquishers and Exterminators. I like 'em, I make 'em work as Cadians. I just tag enemies in advance with "Overlapping Fields of Fire" to get the most out of my shots.
And (spoiler) that helps out those daggone Deathstrikes too!
Salamander? Once more... Colossus? Griffon? Medusa? No?
All of these are FW. And haven't really been great before anyways.
If anything the fact that your list is strictly focused on tanks ignores that Guard vehicles being BS4+ has long been an issue.
I don't want to stir up discussion about what units are or are not, I'm just proving the point that we have plenty of units that are meh or crappy that nobody uses them.
And again: there are a large number of armies that have the same point. Most of the units being specifically called out have long had issues.
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2019/03/12 15:00:14
Subject: What model would you like to see the Guard get?
A point that can be made for a vast number of armies.
For example, Deathstrike is supposed to be a tactical nuke able to obliterate half of the table. Now it goes *poof* and maybe kills something. What is 3D6 on a 4+? You get about 6 hits on average against a single unit. Pathetic.
Oh noes, Deathstrikes aren't great now!
Not like they ever really were...
Also, if you're firing Deathstrikes and not using Vortex Missile Stratagem, you're doing it wrong anyways. Reroll failed hit rolls for it and add 1 to the roll made to determine whether other units within 6" are hit. If a model is wounded but not slain by the attack you roll another dice and on a 6 the model suffers a further D6 Mortal Wounds.
With Vortex Missile:
3D6(so anywhere from 3 to 18) attacks, hitting on 4+s rerolling all failed hits.
Those hits then become Mortal Wounds (not regular wounds) which is a Big Deal.
And after all those hits have been resolved?
You then get to inflict D3 Mortal Wounds on nearby enemy units on a 3+.
And don't act like a purely Guard army(which let's be real here, is the only place a Deathstrike really fits in) won't have CP to burn. They will.
Now, other units.
Vanquisher? Is any sane person deploying them?
Eradicator? Did you ever use it in 8th?
Exterminator? Same question.
Bane Wolf? Again...
Can't speak for anyone else, but yes. I'm using Vanquishers and Exterminators. I like 'em, I make 'em work as Cadians. I just tag enemies in advance with "Overlapping Fields of Fire" to get the most out of my shots.
And (spoiler) that helps out those daggone Deathstrikes too!
Salamander? Once more...
Colossus? Griffon? Medusa? No?
All of these are FW. And haven't really been great before anyways.
If anything the fact that your list is strictly focused on tanks ignores that Guard vehicles being BS4+ has long been an issue.
I don't want to stir up discussion about what units are or are not, I'm just proving the point that we have plenty of units that are meh or crappy that nobody uses them.
And again: there are a large number of armies that have the same point. Most of the units being specifically called out have long had issues.
Oh stop with the "I use them". Seriously. Vanquishers could double their shots and still get outperformed by Punishers against TANKS. It is literally the worst performing LR at it's job,with the executioner coming in second.
Personal experience isn't a valid argument. The entire AM codex is bloated beyond all hell by worthless units. If they made the units actually worth while, instead of crap, then yes, I could see them being in there in the first place. But don't pretend that you take Vanqs in your list because you like losing.
2019/03/12 15:15:47
Subject: What model would you like to see the Guard get?
Oh stop with the "I use them". Seriously. Vanquishers could double their shots and still get outperformed by Punishers against TANKS. It is literally the worst performing LR at it's job,with the executioner coming in second.
Gee, it's almost like we're in yet another edition where ROF and chipping away at an enemy is superior to high S with armor mods.
Personal experience isn't a valid argument. The entire AM codex is bloated beyond all hell by worthless units. If they made the units actually worth while, instead of crap, then yes, I could see them being in there in the first place. But don't pretend that you take Vanqs in your list because you like losing.
All of which has nothing to do with "bloat". You're conflating two concepts and then getting pissy when called out on it.
If there were six tanks that all did what the Vanquisher did? You'd have a point. But there isn't, so your personal opinion of what is or is not worthless is just as valid as my anecdotes.
2019/03/12 17:29:27
Subject: What model would you like to see the Guard get?
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