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 CommunistNapkin wrote:

 skchsan wrote:
A quick fix would be to allow RP rolls on wiped out units as well.

If that was just how RP worked, it would be insanely OP. However, a 3-point stratagem (or possibly a cheaper, once-per-game stratagem) allowing a destroyed unit to make RP rolls would have been pretty nifty.

While I get the reaction to scream cheese, would it really be insanely OP? Or would it merely bring Necrons in line with the A tier factions? The gulf is currently large enough that I don't actually think it would be a game breaking problem. People wouldn't like it of course, but there's plenty of incredibly powerful things in the game that I currently don't like

Necrons are shaping up to be pretty solid over all after CA. They're not brokenly overpowered like Guard, but they're good.

You will have games where you are outclassed. This happens to pretty much everyone unless you're running the flavor of the edition (Guard, Ynnari).

A good Necron player running a solid list? Yeah, you'll definitely win more than you lose.

Yes they are fun, and they will do well in a casual setting. However, they do indeed have weaknesses such as very weak anti-psyker abilities.

They are really a well-rounded army for the most part, and great to introduce new players to the game.

DudleyGrim wrote:
Yes they are fun, and they will do well in a casual setting. However, they do indeed have weaknesses such as very weak anti-psyker abilities.

They are really a well-rounded army for the most part, and great to introduce new players to the game.

They did well at LVO too.

Things every Necron list should have:

Tesla Immortals
Destroyers (these guys are the best unit in the codex)
Doomsday Arks (also one of the best units in the codex)

These are all great, auto include choices, and they perform well in the meta.

 Marmatag wrote:

DudleyGrim wrote:
Yes they are fun, and they will do well in a casual setting. However, they do indeed have weaknesses such as very weak anti-psyker abilities.

They are really a well-rounded army for the most part, and great to introduce new players to the game.

They did well at LVO too.

Things every Necron list should have:

Tesla Immortals
Destroyers (these guys are the best unit in the codex)
Doomsday Arks (also one of the best units in the codex)

These are all great, auto include choices, and they perform well in the meta.

Necrons didn't have a particularly good showing at the LVO, but the codex is getting better. It still needs some decent sized buffs to a lot of the weaker units and the synergies to really stand out from the crowd.

I enjoy playing an armoured column. Obelisk, 2 monoliths, 2 annihilation barges,Doomsday ark, some immortals and a couple Crypteks. Thats it. Amazingly effective against most armies. Havent lost for a while with it. , plays fast and while it hasnt run into the two meta juggernauts yet, it has dispatched everything else. I need to set a game up like that.

 Jancoran wrote:
I enjoy playing an armoured column. Obelisk, 2 monoliths, 2 annihilation barges,Doomsday ark, some immortals and a couple Crypteks. Thats it. Amazingly effective against most armies. Havent lost for a while with it. , plays fast and while it hasnt run into the two meta juggernauts yet, it has dispatched everything else. I need to set a game up like that.

I'm so happy to hear abut someone using Monoliths!
Ive never seen anyone use an Obelisk, how do you find it?

 Blndmage wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
I enjoy playing an armoured column. Obelisk, 2 monoliths, 2 annihilation barges,Doomsday ark, some immortals and a couple Crypteks. Thats it. Amazingly effective against most armies. Havent lost for a while with it. , plays fast and while it hasnt run into the two meta juggernauts yet, it has dispatched everything else. I need to set a game up like that.

I'm so happy to hear abut someone using Monoliths!
Ive never seen anyone use an Obelisk, how do you find it?

Agreed! What exact did your lists look like? Are you able to incorporate the eternity gate in a good way?

 Blndmage wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
I enjoy playing an armoured column. Obelisk, 2 monoliths, 2 annihilation barges,Doomsday ark, some immortals and a couple Crypteks. Thats it. Amazingly effective against most armies. Havent lost for a while with it. , plays fast and while it hasnt run into the two meta juggernauts yet, it has dispatched everything else. I need to set a game up like that.

I'm so happy to hear abut someone using Monoliths!
Ive never seen anyone use an Obelisk, how do you find it?

Obelisk is just excellent at croud control. With the Stratagems and all, it hits a ton. I play Mephrit so I like the production. It's also very tough obviously and can regenerate wounds and allowing it to fire unabated for yet another turn plays big. Honestly it's 24 wounds at T8 are pretty tough to take down as Knight playersknow but not impossible so you have to use it super aggressivley and I like to find terrain it can both be in and obscured by, since the 2 point Stratagem excludes them.

The Monoliths give you all the mobility you really want, and they put out 18 shots which are pretty darn good. I had been winning WITHOUT the Annihilation Barges but the points drops allowed me to add it. I have yet to even need the added help butit was in theme and I didn't want to "cheat" and take more infantry, though I've REALLY been strongly considering the Snipers. They are such an essential part of most armies now, that can take them. Its utility is better in the Necron forces than most, for protecting the big guy from Deep Strikes.

 Jancoran wrote:

 Blndmage wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
I enjoy playing an armoured column. Obelisk, 2 monoliths, 2 annihilation barges,Doomsday ark, some immortals and a couple Crypteks. Thats it. Amazingly effective against most armies. Havent lost for a while with it. , plays fast and while it hasnt run into the two meta juggernauts yet, it has dispatched everything else. I need to set a game up like that.

I'm so happy to hear abut someone using Monoliths!
Ive never seen anyone use an Obelisk, how do you find it?

Obelisk is just excellent at croud control. With the Stratagems and all, it hits a ton. I play Mephrit so I like the production. It's also very tough obviously and can regenerate wounds and allowing it to fire unabated for yet another turn plays big. Honestly it's 24 wounds at T8 are pretty tough to take down as Knight playersknow but not impossible so you have to use it super aggressivley and I like to find terrain it can both be in and obscured by, since the 2 point Stratagem excludes them.

The Monoliths give you all the mobility you really want, and they put out 18 shots which are pretty darn good. I had been winning WITHOUT the Annihilation Barges but the points drops allowed me to add it. I have yet to even need the added help butit was in theme and I didn't want to "cheat" and take more infantry, though I've REALLY been strongly considering the Snipers. They are such an essential part of most armies now, that can take them. Its utility is better in the Necron forces than most, for protecting the big guy from Deep Strikes.

Just keep in mind that Mephrit isn't really helping the Obelisk

But I agree, just blocking the path of hordes that can't really touch it anyway is great.

Fun is what you get out of it. Any army can be fun to play in the right circumstances. Point values, narrative, etc...

now if fun for you is going 5-0 at a tourney and smashing face in, then probably not the best choice at the moment.

 Dynas wrote:
Fun is what you get out of it. Any army can be fun to play in the right circumstances. Point values, narrative, etc...

now if fun for you is going 5-0 at a tourney and smashing face in, then probably not the best choice at the moment.

Don't know about that. There's a more frequent Necron player locally whose having a pretty good time with his. He was top 2% in the ITC like me and he does it with what looks like a pretty boring list.

There's nothing sexy about how Necrons win. They just outlast you and keep downing your stuff sometimes.,

Yep, the majority of the games I win are generally a case of whittling my opponent down and winning by attrition.

Though I have outright tabled some space marines armies.

 Jancoran wrote:

 Dynas wrote:
Fun is what you get out of it. Any army can be fun to play in the right circumstances. Point values, narrative, etc...

now if fun for you is going 5-0 at a tourney and smashing face in, then probably not the best choice at the moment.

Don't know about that. There's a more frequent Necron player locally whose having a pretty good time with his. He was top 2% in the ITC like me and he does it with what looks like a pretty boring list.

There's nothing sexy about how Necrons win. They just outlast you and keep downing your stuff sometimes.,

That hasnt been my experience both playing with and against them. I find that focus fire tends to destroy complete units disallowing RP. I might get to use it 2 or 3 times per game, and thats with multiple units having RP.

 Dynas wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:

 Dynas wrote:
Fun is what you get out of it. Any army can be fun to play in the right circumstances. Point values, narrative, etc...

now if fun for you is going 5-0 at a tourney and smashing face in, then probably not the best choice at the moment.

Don't know about that. There's a more frequent Necron player locally whose having a pretty good time with his. He was top 2% in the ITC like me and he does it with what looks like a pretty boring list.

There's nothing sexy about how Necrons win. They just outlast you and keep downing your stuff sometimes.,

That hasn't been my experience both playing with and against them. I find that focus fire tends to destroy complete units disallowing RP. I might get to use it 2 or 3 times per game, and thats with multiple units having RP.

Timing is a thing. Skill matters too. I mean there's plenty of good lists in bad hands and bad lists in good hands. i cannot account for individual cases. But I know that this guy is both good and has a pretty boring but good list. The two combined create a great deal of success for him and while my list is even MORE boring than his, it's been dominating.

The timing thing is, I think, THE biggest thing about my PARTICULAR list. I mean when you plant that Obelisk, you are baiting the enemy BIG time with it and so you need to pay attention to what the enemy has on their list and decide whether to plant it first or last. But I OFTEN plant it first.

Heres why: It makes a LOT of decisions FOR the enemy. That Obelisk will simply evaporate certain units, and the enemy knows that. it will bounce a ton of other things, and the enemy knows it. It sort of makes anticipating THEIR deployment (assuming they are smart people which we must concede) easy enough if you paid attention to what they have and their deployment zone. I can wipe two squads of squishes in one go with the Obelisk, no problem. it can bash in a rhino or other vehicle with pretty fair reliability. Psychologically and visually, its the biggest threat on the field and not killing it is not a good idea. it heals D3+1 damage every round so focused fire is expected to disallow it its additional round of fire.

Now I don't have that many things to drop, so I am consistently going 1st if I want to. Another plus. Doesn't work all the time but that's okay, I don't need it to. Being true more often than not is still good. That also is something the enemy knows and they often will deploy a little more conservatively, another thing before you roll a single dice that is going for you.

I've never seen the Obelisk killed in one round (although people get close) because so often they are playing defense for round 1. When I said timing I mean that I know that I don't REALLY need to worry about the other elements because diverting weapons to them and their quantum shielding is probably not going to yield enemies more fruit (although attacks of opportunity are going to happen, and all the better for the Obelisk!). One of the advantages of a NECRON armored column is that nothing is easy to kill, and it's annoyingly resistant to the attempt.

So that leaves them free to be pretty aggressive in round one. the fly rule means we honestly could care less if we're assaulted and the Gates are pretty cool against chargers. My last game killed a charging smash captain in one go (spent a CP to re-roll it, but it got the job done). So if the enemy does choose to go after the Monoliths, it definitely should be with a unit that can handle that.

25 mobbed up lootaz have enough firepower to JUST kill it in one round, though it hasn't happened to me yet. However they pretty much need all 25 to do it, and Gretchen can't save them all when you're wounding like 18 of them. Some are getting through. Some has been enough to avoid the T1 kill thus far. If they split their fire, they definitely aren't killing it barring some epic collapse of the bell curve (which happens so I won't discount the possibility).

Overall the list is so basic that most of its "shenanigans" are traightforward and obvious. You get them to deploy defensively, you slaughter their high priority thing or if you know you cant, you go for the ITC "killed more" and "Held more" by virtue of toughness and force them to come pry you off, which walks them into your fairly copious and fairly good at anti-elite firepower.

You save the Immortals for when the enemy gets froggy and drop it on them to wipe out the objective gankers. The formula is NOT complex and a new person could pick this army up in a heartbeat I think (which is why I originally made it, as a borrower army that would be more forgiving for newer guys). I have too many armies to get around to bringing it to ITC events but its a great one for getting people excited and involved in the hobby.

 Marmatag wrote:

DudleyGrim wrote:
Yes they are fun, and they will do well in a casual setting. However, they do indeed have weaknesses such as very weak anti-psyker abilities.

They are really a well-rounded army for the most part, and great to introduce new players to the game.

They did well at LVO too.

Things every Necron list should have:

Tesla Immortals
Destroyers (these guys are the best unit in the codex)
Doomsday Arks (also one of the best units in the codex)

These are all great, auto include choices, and they perform well in the meta.

Yeah, my FLGS hates Doomsday Arks. They are probably among the best artillery type units in the entire game.
The only downside about them is that they are a bastard to paint and assemble, but if you have the patience to get 3 of those fethers then you're pretty much set.

Destroyers are still strong and the fact that you can give them Heavy Gauss Cannons without increasing their points costs increases their utility.

Tesla Immortals struggle against well armored targets, but that's what you have DDA and Destroyers for. I still like Gauss Immortals because I'm old fashioned.


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 Blndmage wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
I enjoy playing an armoured column. Obelisk, 2 monoliths, 2 annihilation barges,Doomsday ark, some immortals and a couple Crypteks. Thats it. Amazingly effective against most armies. Havent lost for a while with it. , plays fast and while it hasnt run into the two meta juggernauts yet, it has dispatched everything else. I need to set a game up like that.

I'm so happy to hear abut someone using Monoliths!
Ive never seen anyone use an Obelisk, how do you find it?

I used a monolith the other day. Its still a nice unit, its just that the limited time window to deploy units from the tomb world makes it a bit awkward, and it pales in comparison to its 3rd ed counterpart, where it can just relentlessly teleport units to it and keep up the pressure at an area, as well as shrugging off melta and lance fire.

dapperbandit wrote:
Yep, the majority of the games I win are generally a case of whittling my opponent down and winning by attrition.

Though I have outright tabled some space marines armies.

It's worth pointing out that while the necron codex is still very solidly "mid tier," it is definitely head and shoulders above any marine codex excepting deathwatch, and should logically crush them if built properly, ugly random dice nonwithstanding.

 Marmatag wrote:

dapperbandit wrote:
Yep, the majority of the games I win are generally a case of whittling my opponent down and winning by attrition.

Though I have outright tabled some space marines armies.

It's worth pointing out that while the necron codex is still very solidly "mid tier," it is definitely head and shoulders above any marine codex excepting deathwatch, and should logically crush them if built properly, ugly random dice nonwithstanding.

Not sure bout that. thats a situational statement to be sure because Marines do VERY well and maybe overwhelmingly well against some armies and not others. I think the problem is you have two boogeymen in the room which makes them feel worse but really its just that the two boogeymen are slowed good.