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when you declare a charge
you have to be within 12" just to declare a charge

Are there any units in the game that can declare a charge from greater then 12" distance?

You have to be within 12" to declare a charge. I am not aware of any units that can charge from further than 12" away, but there may be exceptions. I do know of several units that roll three dice for their charge, but they still can't declare about 12".

Gunrunner1775 wrote:
when you declare a charge
you have to be within 12" just to declare a charge

Are there any units in the game that can declare a charge from greater then 12" distance?

There is currently (iirc) no unit that can do so. Howling Banshees are suspected to be meant to be able to, but cannot because GW is incompetent.

Units that have a bonus to their charge distance or roll an extra dice still are limited to declaring a 12" charge.

Howling banshees can charge 15". But RAW they cant, because their rule is badly worded. The intention however, is 100% obvious.

Acrobatic
This unit can Advance and charge in the same turn. In a turn in which it Advanced, you can declare a charge move for this unit if there are any enemy units within 15" of it, and you can add 3 to the resulting charge roll.

Yep, and you won't find a single (actual) player in the world who doesn't play it as 15" for declaring charges, etc.

 Elbows wrote:
Yep, and you won't find a single (actual) player in the world who doesn't play it as 15" for declaring charges, etc.

This. No amount of internet posturing will change how the rule is understood and played by actual players.

 Elbows wrote:
Yep, and you won't find a single (actual) player in the world who doesn't play it as 15" for declaring charges, etc.

I am an actual player and I play by the rules. Therefore your assertion is demonstrably false.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
Yep, and you won't find a single (actual) player in the world who doesn't play it as 15" for declaring charges, etc.

I am an actual player and I play by the rules. Therefore your assertion is demonstrably false.

You are the exception that proves the rule.

 p5freak wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
Yep, and you won't find a single (actual) player in the world who doesn't play it as 15" for declaring charges, etc.

I am an actual player and I play by the rules. Therefore your assertion is demonstrably false.

You are the exception that proves the rule.

That's a phrase that makes no sense at all. A rule can have exceptions, but exceptions don't prove anything except that the rule is, at least in some small way, flawed.

This thread is destined for the bin now, as it will get dragged into the mire debating to one guy’s hot take. Regardless, real world consensus is that HB can declare and make a 15” Charge, regardless of what one random guy says on the internet.


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 JNAProductions wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
Yep, and you won't find a single (actual) player in the world who doesn't play it as 15" for declaring charges, etc.

I am an actual player and I play by the rules. Therefore your assertion is demonstrably false.

You are the exception that proves the rule.

That's a phrase that makes no sense at all. A rule can have exceptions, but exceptions don't prove anything except that the rule is, at least in some small way, flawed.

It’s a common saying dating as far back as Ancient Rome; debating the merits of said phrase is not really a YMDC matter.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
Yep, and you won't find a single (actual) player in the world who doesn't play it as 15" for declaring charges, etc.

I am an actual player and I play by the rules. Therefore your assertion is demonstrably false.

You are the exception that proves the rule.

That's a phrase that makes no sense at all. A rule can have exceptions, but exceptions don't prove anything except that the rule is, at least in some small way, flawed.

What i mean is that BCB is the one who disagrees, while everyone else agrees that HB can charge 15".

I'm also failing to see the issue, a the problem is you can only declare a charge up to 12" regardless of the charge range you can actually reach (eversor has 18" possible but only 12" actual ) - could be the four games today, what's the problem? They have specific allowance to declare a charge at 15"?

An exception proves that h0 isn't correct so h1 can be.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
I'm also failing to see the issue, a the problem is you can only declare a charge up to 12" regardless of the charge range you can actually reach (eversor has 18" possible but only 12" actual ) - could be the four games today, what's the problem? They have specific allowance to declare a charge at 15"?

An exception proves that h0 isn't correct so h1 can be.

It's an oversight in order of operations, basically.
You can declare a charge with a unit that is within 12" of enemies, but you also must pick an enemy unit within 12" and declare them as the target of your charge.

The special rule overrides the first condition that must be met, but they forgot that the condition effectively has to be met twice and so didn't introduce a second exception.

RAW, banshees dont get permission to choose the unit, which is 15" away, as a target for their charge. Therefore they are still limited to 12".

 p5freak wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
Yep, and you won't find a single (actual) player in the world who doesn't play it as 15" for declaring charges, etc.

I am an actual player and I play by the rules. Therefore your assertion is demonstrably false.

You are the exception that proves the rule.

And besides it's somewhat questionable to claim he plays by the rules when by definition that means he can't even finish games so he's by now long stuck in one game that's waiting for GW to change rules so that deadlock can proceed.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
You are the exception that proves the rule.

That's a phrase that makes no sense at all. A rule can have exceptions, but exceptions don't prove anything except that the rule is, at least in some small way, flawed.

It's because the word 'prove' in English used to mean 'to test' rather than 'to demonstrate to be correct'. The phrase 'The proof of the pudding is in the eating' is another example

As far as I am aware, there are no units other than Howling Banshees that get longer charges.

Kill Team Harlequins can, with their 'Rising Crescendo" (?) rule. They roll 3D6, and can declare at 18".
I can't remember about in 40k though.

 p5freak wrote:
Howling banshees can charge 15". But RAW they cant, because their rule is badly worded. The intention however, is 100% obvious.

Acrobatic
This unit can Advance and charge in the same turn. In a turn in which it Advanced, you can declare a charge move for this unit if there are any enemy units within 15" of it, and you can add 3 to the resulting charge roll.

How is this RAW deny you a 15" charge. It clearly states you can charge a unit 15" away. What am I missing.( I assume it has to do with a core rule mechanic on wording???)

Jain Zar ALSO has this same rule, so there are at least 2 units.

Then you can throw in stuff like the Court of the young King and an avatar and get the Howling Banshees charging 15" target with a +6 to the range.

 admironheart wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Howling banshees can charge 15". But RAW they cant, because their rule is badly worded. The intention however, is 100% obvious.

Acrobatic
This unit can Advance and charge in the same turn. In a turn in which it Advanced, you can declare a charge move for this unit if there are any enemy units within 15" of it, and you can add 3 to the resulting charge roll.

How is this RAW deny you a 15" charge. It clearly states you can charge a unit 15" away. What am I missing.( I assume it has to do with a core rule mechanic on wording???)

Jain Zar ALSO has this same rule, so there are at least 2 units.

Then you can throw in stuff like the Court of the young King and an avatar and get the Howling Banshees charging 15" target with a +6 to the range.

It doesn't give you permission to actually SELECT a unit further than 12" away as a target of a charge. Obvious intent. Screwed up wording.

 admironheart wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Howling banshees can charge 15". But RAW they cant, because their rule is badly worded. The intention however, is 100% obvious.

Acrobatic
This unit can Advance and charge in the same turn. In a turn in which it Advanced, you can declare a charge move for this unit if there are any enemy units within 15" of it, and you can add 3 to the resulting charge roll.

How is this RAW deny you a 15" charge. It clearly states you can charge a unit 15" away. What am I missing.( I assume it has to do with a core rule mechanic on wording???)

Jain Zar ALSO has this same rule, so there are at least 2 units.

Then you can throw in stuff like the Court of the young King and an avatar and get the Howling Banshees charging 15" target with a +6 to the range.

It doesn't state anything of the sort. It states you can charge if there are units within 15" of you, it doesn't permit you to select a unit 15" away as the target of the charge.

Just link to your previous discussion and be done with.

Honestly, it’s depressing how many threads round here get derailed because someone thinks they’ve done a grammar clever.