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Like what, if I may ask? Because the biggest competitors to 40K, the Star Wars games by FFW, cost same if not more as GW products. See this model for example that makes 40K look cheap (and in fact costs 25% more than Shadowspear all by itself)...
Comparing a prepainted model for a game where royalties have to be paid to another company for the license isn't the greatest comparison.
If the mold/tool cost was even a concern to GW then they wouldn't be making 'throw away kits'. All the units would be on separate sprues ready to be boxed in unit sets later. As it is, they have so much market power and money that the £10-25k it costs to make a sprue tool doesn't phase them in the slightest. Trying to argue that the price is anything other than 'becaise they can' is silly. GW can cut their costs if consumers weren't buying what they are selling, but the fact of the matter is GW keep selling loads of really expensive sets, and untill people stop buying them they have no reason to stop!
Indeed. Yet somehow every time GW raises prices or releases poor rules people are surprised. This is who they are. Walk away.
I fully expected it to be £95. If anyone thought it would be cheaper than Dark Imperium, or thought it'd be any different to DI, then I don't know what they were thinking. It certainly wasn't Know No Fear size, and was definitely supposed to be at the price point of Wake the Dead, Tooth and Claw, etc etc.
I'm not happy with £105, but I am okay with it. I also understand that this is probably because of inflation, Brexit, and general increase of prices for GW in general. I don't like it, but that's reality. I'll be perfectly honest, if I was happy to drop £95 on it, I can afford to drop another £10, so I'm not complaining. I'm still going to sell off a decent bit of the CSM side, keep the Primaris and normal Chaos Marines for myself, but otherwise, I'm happy with it overall.
Of course, I understand that for others, the price increase is too much, and that's fair. Spend what you can afford, on what you can justify to yourself.
The issue, simply put, is that Dark Imperium is an actual introductory product. It comes with the full $60 rulebook eating a good chunk of the set's cost.
If this box had come with the rulebook? I think some of the complaints would be lessened.
If this box had come with the full codices for the factions? Again, I think some of the complaints would be lessened.
As it stands right now? It is more expensive than the actual starter sets that come with the same simplified build items and a full rulebook.
Kanluwen wrote: The issue, simply put, is that Dark Imperium is an actual introductory product. It comes with the full $60 rulebook eating a good chunk of the set's cost.
If this box had come with the rulebook? I think some of the complaints would be lessened.
If this box had come with the full codices for the factions? Again, I think some of the complaints would be lessened.
As it stands right now? It is more expensive than the actual starter sets that come with the same simplified build items and a full rulebook.
I see your point, but bear in mind it comes with two backdoor rule books for Vangaurd and Daemonkin. Plus for the Chaos players Vigilus Ablaze is predominantly Chaos formations, rules, etc., so if playing Chaos, and wanting a full on rule set, expect to drop another £25+.
Gets a bit pricey in that context.
And they will naturally lessen the cost of a starter set as a potential loss maker just to get people on board.
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Please note, for those of you who play Chaos Daemons as a faction the term "Daemon" is potentially offensive. Instead, please play codex "Chaos: Mortally Challenged". Thank you.
While i dislike price hikes, they are everywhere (except annual wages sadly)
We know that GW raise prices from time to time.
Is it good news? Of course not.
Its also not the end of the world either.
If you are buying it for a specific side, sell the spares.
You can pretty much recoup a huge chunk and end up paying barely anything for the half you do want.
If people want to complain about price, island of blood was only £50 (so was it's remake) and it contained a metric ton of models.
Jackal90 wrote: If you are buying it for a specific side, sell the spares.
Or wait for Battlescribe to update their data files and use those until GW releases the individual models and rules in electronic format.
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Kanluwen wrote: The issue, simply put, is that Dark Imperium is an actual introductory product. It comes with the full $60 rulebook eating a good chunk of the set's cost.
If this box had come with the rulebook? I think some of the complaints would be lessened.
If this box had come with the full codices for the factions? Again, I think some of the complaints would be lessened.
As it stands right now? It is more expensive than the actual starter sets that come with the same simplified build items and a full rulebook.
I see your point, but bear in mind it comes with two backdoor rule books for Vangaurd and Daemonkin. Plus for the Chaos players Vigilus Ablaze is predominantly Chaos formations, rules, etc., so if playing Chaos, and wanting a full on rule set, expect to drop another £25+.
Gets a bit pricey in that context.
And they will naturally lessen the cost of a starter set as a potential loss maker just to get people on board.
The "backdoor rulebooks" for Vanguard and Daemonkin are intended to allow for you to add them to your forces. We don't know what all Vigilus Ablaze is going to be adding outside of Specialist Detachments and Datasheets.
This might be a simple "Here's the stuff from Shadowspear!" or it might be something else entirely like we saw with the Tau Campaign books that segued into an "updated" codex for them.
Kanluwen wrote: The issue, simply put, is that Dark Imperium is an actual introductory product. It comes with the full $60 rulebook eating a good chunk of the set's cost.
If this box had come with the rulebook? I think some of the complaints would be lessened.
If this box had come with the full codices for the factions? Again, I think some of the complaints would be lessened.
As it stands right now? It is more expensive than the actual starter sets that come with the same simplified build items and a full rulebook.
They could do all that and people would still complain "But I already own the codex! GW is ripping me off yet again"
It looks like the price is going to be a sum total of all the kits separately rather than a discounted bundle that we are accustomed to.
"Courage and Honour. I hear you murmur these words in the mist, in their wake I hear your hearts beat harder with false conviction seeking to convince yourselves that a brave death has meaning.
There is no courage to be found here my nephews, no honour to be had. Your souls will join the trillion others in the mist shrieking uselessly to eternity, weeping for the empire you could not save.
To the unfaithful, I bring holy plagues ripe with enlightenment. To the devout, I bring the blessing of immortality through the kiss of sacred rot.
And to you, new-born sons of Gulliman, to you flesh crafted puppets of a failing Imperium I bring the holiest gift of all.... Silence."
- Mortarion, The Death Lord, The Reaper of Men, Daemon Primarch of Nurgle
Karol wrote: But aren't their prices for single boxs over priced too? There are whole games you can get for less then two mono pose characters. The Start Collecting box in other games gets you a real working army, you can play, while the SCE is more often then not not very useful to play with.
Like what, if I may ask? Because the biggest competitors to 40K, the Star Wars games by FFW, cost same if not more as GW products. See this model for example that makes 40K look cheap (and in fact costs 25% more than Shadowspear all by itself)...
Curious. Fully painted. Fully assembled. How much would GW charge for that product? Let's look at Smaug. Unpainted. Unassembled. Cost $500 Canadian give or take. Your point is?
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
Kanluwen wrote: The issue, simply put, is that Dark Imperium is an actual introductory product. It comes with the full $60 rulebook eating a good chunk of the set's cost.
If this box had come with the rulebook? I think some of the complaints would be lessened.
If this box had come with the full codices for the factions? Again, I think some of the complaints would be lessened.
As it stands right now? It is more expensive than the actual starter sets that come with the same simplified build items and a full rulebook.
They could do all that and people would still complain "But I already own the codex! GW is ripping me off yet again"
It looks like the price is going to be a sum total of all the kits separately rather than a discounted bundle that we are accustomed to.
Fun idea, leave out the captain + eliminates, then leave out either the crawler or the obliterators. Replace remaining kits with multi-part kits, charge £95, those will sell out for weeks.
I would have been much happier with it if they had included the new vigilus book instead of the two mini-dexes.
Put the rules for the new models in the new vigilus book and I'd happily throw my 175$ at it. Paying for rules which will be FAQ'd/replaced soon bugs me (but I'm still going to buy it because I'm a degenerate).
175 seems way too much for a couple push fit models and I'll probably regret buying it once the real models come out.
Hell I have 20 hellblasters, 18 inceptors and 9 aggressors that never see the table because the current meta eats them for breakfast (too much -2 ap 2d weapons out there). My repulsor is still in the box and I've sold two redemptors. My marine army is bad because I refuse to play gulliman and until new primarchs come out I doubt any of this is competitive.
Maybe the primaris snipers will work and the supressors are good for the scout move for SWs but I think this will end up in my collection rather than my army.
Kanluwen wrote: The issue, simply put, is that Dark Imperium is an actual introductory product. It comes with the full $60 rulebook eating a good chunk of the set's cost.
If this box had come with the rulebook? I think some of the complaints would be lessened.
If this box had come with the full codices for the factions? Again, I think some of the complaints would be lessened.
As it stands right now? It is more expensive than the actual starter sets that come with the same simplified build items and a full rulebook.
They could do all that and people would still complain "But I already own the codex! GW is ripping me off yet again"
It looks like the price is going to be a sum total of all the kits separately rather than a discounted bundle that we are accustomed to.
Fun idea, leave out the captain + eliminates, then leave out either the crawler or the obliterators. Replace remaining kits with multi-part kits, charge £95, those will sell out for weeks.
Can't leave out the Crawlers OR Obliterators, they're the same sprue.
Captain is his own sprue.
Eliminators are spread across the two Vanguard sprues.
Kanluwen wrote: The issue, simply put, is that Dark Imperium is an actual introductory product. It comes with the full $60 rulebook eating a good chunk of the set's cost.
If this box had come with the rulebook? I think some of the complaints would be lessened.
If this box had come with the full codices for the factions? Again, I think some of the complaints would be lessened.
As it stands right now? It is more expensive than the actual starter sets that come with the same simplified build items and a full rulebook.
They could do all that and people would still complain "But I already own the codex! GW is ripping me off yet again"
It looks like the price is going to be a sum total of all the kits separately rather than a discounted bundle that we are accustomed to.
Fun idea, leave out the captain + eliminates, then leave out either the crawler or the obliterators. Replace remaining kits with multi-part kits, charge £95, those will sell out for weeks.
Can't leave out the Crawlers OR Obliterators, they're the same sprue.
Captain is his own sprue.
Eliminators are spread across the two Vanguard sprues.
Kan, did you miss the bit where he said to replace everything else (presumably apart from the characters) with proper multi-part kits, not use the existing sprues? So, less units, but proper kits?
Though please, for the love of the Emperor, leave those "jump pack" abominations out and leave the snipers in - at least the latter look cool...
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
Kanluwen wrote: The issue, simply put, is that Dark Imperium is an actual introductory product. It comes with the full $60 rulebook eating a good chunk of the set's cost.
If this box had come with the rulebook? I think some of the complaints would be lessened.
If this box had come with the full codices for the factions? Again, I think some of the complaints would be lessened.
As it stands right now? It is more expensive than the actual starter sets that come with the same simplified build items and a full rulebook.
They could do all that and people would still complain "But I already own the codex! GW is ripping me off yet again"
It looks like the price is going to be a sum total of all the kits separately rather than a discounted bundle that we are accustomed to.
Fun idea, leave out the captain + eliminates, then leave out either the crawler or the obliterators. Replace remaining kits with multi-part kits, charge £95, those will sell out for weeks.
Can't leave out the Crawlers OR Obliterators, they're the same sprue.
Captain is his own sprue.
Eliminators are spread across the two Vanguard sprues.
Kan, did you miss the bit where he said to replace everything else (presumably apart from the characters) with proper multi-part kits, not use the existing sprues? So, less units, but proper kits?
Though please, for the love of the Emperor, leave those "jump pack" abominations out and leave the snipers in - at least the latter look cool...
And I'm saying that the sprue layout would mean you ditching the Venomcrawler would mean Obliterators get ditched too.
If you leave out the Eliminators? You'd have to actually cut them off the sprues.
I got what he was saying. I'm saying look at the sprues. It isn't really doable based upon the current sprues.
Irbis wrote: Like what, if I may ask? Because the biggest competitors to 40K, the Star Wars games by FFW, cost same if not more as GW products. See this model for example that makes 40K look cheap (and in fact costs 25% more than Shadowspear all by itself)...
Dude, that model is two feet long - it's bigger than a freaking Castellan. Definitely not a standard model for Armada. We're practically talking Titan territory.
So what? Vast majority of that is perfectly flat panels requiring maybe 5 seconds with airbrush. I actually saw models of that size and complexity made in Soviet Union, 30 years ago. You know, in country where such hobby was afterthought of an afterthought and the producer was lucky if he could actually get industrial grade mould, never mind hobby quality one. Making such big, flat plastic surfaces is super cheap, it's the details that matter. But, if someone told me there is actually more detail in current Tactical Squad box, I wouldn't even argue.
As for not being standard model, gee, unless you happen to be a fan of the original movies and want to try a battle of Hoth or Endor. It's like arguing EA was right to make Vader locked behind a colossal paywall/months long grind in the game, because you have all the other characters, and it's not like the guy is important, he was only on the box cover of the game or something
Davor wrote: Curious. Fully painted. Fully assembled. How much would GW charge for that product? Let's look at Smaug. Unpainted. Unassembled. Cost $500 Canadian give or take. Your point is?
I actually have a point, unlike you. Unless according to you, this "Fully painted Fully assembled" tank is worth 800$?
G00fySmiley wrote: US it is $175, when the conversion of £105 is $138. I was in up to $160, at $175 pass, there is just not enough in the box to justify it imo
Ditto, I will not buy one of these sets unless I can get it for $125 shipped/tax included. That goes for any GW big box set. There 85USD starters should be 60$.
Kanluwen wrote: The issue, simply put, is that Dark Imperium is an actual introductory product. It comes with the full $60 rulebook eating a good chunk of the set's cost.
If this box had come with the rulebook? I think some of the complaints would be lessened.
If this box had come with the full codices for the factions? Again, I think some of the complaints would be lessened.
As it stands right now? It is more expensive than the actual starter sets that come with the same simplified build items and a full rulebook.
They could do all that and people would still complain "But I already own the codex! GW is ripping me off yet again"
It looks like the price is going to be a sum total of all the kits separately rather than a discounted bundle that we are accustomed to.
Fun idea, leave out the captain + eliminates, then leave out either the crawler or the obliterators. Replace remaining kits with multi-part kits, charge £95, those will sell out for weeks.
Can't leave out the Crawlers OR Obliterators, they're the same sprue.
Captain is his own sprue.
Eliminators are spread across the two Vanguard sprues.
Kan, did you miss the bit where he said to replace everything else (presumably apart from the characters) with proper multi-part kits, not use the existing sprues? So, less units, but proper kits?
Though please, for the love of the Emperor, leave those "jump pack" abominations out and leave the snipers in - at least the latter look cool...
And I'm saying that the sprue layout would mean you ditching the Venomcrawler would mean Obliterators get ditched too.
If you leave out the Eliminators? You'd have to actually cut them off the sprues.
I got what he was saying. I'm saying look at the sprues. It isn't really doable based upon the current sprues.
Well, no - that's why the suggestion wasn't to use the current sprues - i.e., if (checks quote chain) Dudeface was planning this box, there would be no DI-style combined sprues. Instead, you'd get the standard production kit version of the sprues, like in Tooth & Claw, etc.
I agree that, given what we've seen of GW's approach to new units in big boxes since 8th dropped, it is unlikely that such an approach would happen, but it is the way Dudeface would've done it.
Irbis wrote: So what? Vast majority of that is perfectly flat panels requiring maybe 5 seconds with airbrush. I actually saw models of that size and complexity made in Soviet Union, 30 years ago. You know, in country where such hobby was afterthought of an afterthought and the producer was lucky if he could actually get industrial grade mould, never mind hobby quality one. Making such big, flat plastic surfaces is super cheap, it's the details that matter. But, if someone told me there is actually more detail in current Tactical Squad box, I wouldn't even argue.
As for not being standard model, gee, unless you happen to be a fan of the original movies and want to try a battle of Hoth or Endor. It's like arguing EA was right to make Vader locked behind a colossal paywall/months long grind in the game, because you have all the other characters, and it's not like the guy is important, he was only on the box cover of the game or something
Touching on your latter point first, I am unlikely to ever justify EA's approach to computer games.
Why do I say that Executor isn't a standard model? Because, reading that article, FFG have had to produce specialist versions of the rules in order for the unit to work, which are not covered in the core rulebook from the starter set. If the rules framework were expected to cover this sort of "huge" ship, then those mechanics would be present from day 1, no?
This is the equivalent of the Epic ships - Blockade Runner, Imperial Raider, assorted cargo vessels - from X-Wing in that regard, though I'm not clear from that article if there is a new game size introduced in order to make it usable.
Your choice of game wasn't poor, but your choice of specific example was. Had you compared the Armada (£90) core set to Dark Imperium (£95) - and maybe even Shadowspear (£105, I think?) - you'd've been on to something.
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
Irbis wrote: Like what, if I may ask? Because the biggest competitors to 40K, the Star Wars games by FFW, cost same if not more as GW products. See this model for example that makes 40K look cheap (and in fact costs 25% more than Shadowspear all by itself)...
Dude, that model is two feet long - it's bigger than a freaking Castellan. Definitely not a standard model for Armada. We're practically talking Titan territory.
So what? Vast majority of that is perfectly flat panels requiring maybe 5 seconds with airbrush. I actually saw models of that size and complexity made in Soviet Union, 30 years ago. You know, in country where such hobby was afterthought of an afterthought and the producer was lucky if he could actually get industrial grade mould, never mind hobby quality one. Making such big, flat plastic surfaces is super cheap, it's the details that matter. But, if someone told me there is actually more detail in current Tactical Squad box, I wouldn't even argue.
As for not being standard model, gee, unless you happen to be a fan of the original movies and want to try a battle of Hoth or Endor. It's like arguing EA was right to make Vader locked behind a colossal paywall/months long grind in the game, because you have all the other characters, and it's not like the guy is important, he was only on the box cover of the game or something
First of all, that model isn't even out yet, so we still have no idea how much FFG will charge for it. Secondly, it's more like something between a knight and a titan as far as applicability to the core Armada game is concerned. It can be used in a regular game but it's really more of an expansion designed around bigger size games, or as somehting that's basically your entire fleet in one ship, which makes the likely high cost a bit more palatable. The point is, using the biggest model currently produced by FFG, which isn't even out yet and is of potentially very limited usefulness in the actual game is not a fair comparison. One wonders why you didn't link to, for example, a Star Destroyer? Y'know, something much more representative of the sort of cost per model you're likely to pay for the game system in question?
Irbis wrote: Like what, if I may ask? Because the biggest competitors to 40K, the Star Wars games by FFW, cost same if not more as GW products. See this model for example that makes 40K look cheap (and in fact costs 25% more than Shadowspear all by itself)...
Dude, that model is two feet long - it's bigger than a freaking Castellan. Definitely not a standard model for Armada. We're practically talking Titan territory.
So what? Vast majority of that is perfectly flat panels requiring maybe 5 seconds with airbrush. I actually saw models of that size and complexity made in Soviet Union, 30 years ago. You know, in country where such hobby was afterthought of an afterthought and the producer was lucky if he could actually get industrial grade mould, never mind hobby quality one. Making such big, flat plastic surfaces is super cheap, it's the details that matter. But, if someone told me there is actually more detail in current Tactical Squad box, I wouldn't even argue.
As for not being standard model, gee, unless you happen to be a fan of the original movies and want to try a battle of Hoth or Endor. It's like arguing EA was right to make Vader locked behind a colossal paywall/months long grind in the game, because you have all the other characters, and it's not like the guy is important, he was only on the box cover of the game or something
First of all, that model isn't even out yet, so we still have no idea how much FFG will charge for it. Secondly, it's more like something between a knight and a titan as far as applicability to the core Armada game is concerned. It can be used in a regular game but it's really more of an expansion designed around bigger size games, or as somehting that's basically your entire fleet in one ship, which makes the likely high cost a bit more palatable. The point is, using the biggest model currently produced by FFG, which isn't even out yet and is of potentially very limited usefulness in the actual game is not a fair comparison. One wonders why you didn't link to, for example, a Star Destroyer? Y'know, something much more representative of the sort of cost per model you're likely to pay for the game system in question?
Obvious answer is because that would disprove their narrative that other games are as expensive. Same thing anytime someone brings up another game:. Either immediately insulting the quality as a reason why it can't be compared ("Those models are ugly compared to GW") or finding an extreme example and using that to "prove" GW isn't more expensive.
So what? Vast majority of that is perfectly flat panels requiring maybe 5 seconds with airbrush. I actually saw models of that size and complexity made in Soviet Union, 30 years ago. You know, in country where such hobby was afterthought of an afterthought and the producer was lucky if he could actually get industrial grade mould, never mind hobby quality one. Making such big, flat plastic surfaces is super cheap, it's the details that matter. But, if someone told me there is actually more detail in current Tactical Squad box, I wouldn't even argue.
Details don't cause difference in sprue cost. Size and # of sprues yes. Have you seen size and count of those sprues?
So what? Vast majority of that is perfectly flat panels requiring maybe 5 seconds with airbrush. I actually saw models of that size and complexity made in Soviet Union, 30 years ago. You know, in country where such hobby was afterthought of an afterthought and the producer was lucky if he could actually get industrial grade mould, never mind hobby quality one. Making such big, flat plastic surfaces is super cheap, it's the details that matter. But, if someone told me there is actually more detail in current Tactical Squad box, I wouldn't even argue.
Details don't cause difference in sprue cost. Size and # of sprues yes. Have you seen size and count of those sprues?
At least, that's how GW prices its stuff. That's why you always see their verbiage talk about pieces, rather than what it can make e.g. "This fantastic multipart kit contains 175 pieces to let you make 2 models!"
Kanluwen wrote: The issue, simply put, is that Dark Imperium is an actual introductory product. It comes with the full $60 rulebook eating a good chunk of the set's cost.
If this box had come with the rulebook? I think some of the complaints would be lessened.
If this box had come with the full codices for the factions? Again, I think some of the complaints would be lessened.
As it stands right now? It is more expensive than the actual starter sets that come with the same simplified build items and a full rulebook.
They could do all that and people would still complain "But I already own the codex! GW is ripping me off yet again"
It looks like the price is going to be a sum total of all the kits separately rather than a discounted bundle that we are accustomed to.
Fun idea, leave out the captain + eliminates, then leave out either the crawler or the obliterators. Replace remaining kits with multi-part kits, charge £95, those will sell out for weeks.
Can't leave out the Crawlers OR Obliterators, they're the same sprue.
Captain is his own sprue.
Eliminators are spread across the two Vanguard sprues.
Kan, did you miss the bit where he said to replace everything else (presumably apart from the characters) with proper multi-part kits, not use the existing sprues? So, less units, but proper kits?
Though please, for the love of the Emperor, leave those "jump pack" abominations out and leave the snipers in - at least the latter look cool...
And I'm saying that the sprue layout would mean you ditching the Venomcrawler would mean Obliterators get ditched too.
If you leave out the Eliminators? You'd have to actually cut them off the sprues.
I got what he was saying. I'm saying look at the sprues. It isn't really doable based upon the current sprues.
Well, no - that's why the suggestion wasn't to use the current sprues - i.e., if (checks quote chain) Dudeface was planning this box, there would be no DI-style combined sprues. Instead, you'd get the standard production kit version of the sprues, like in Tooth & Claw, etc.
I agree that, given what we've seen of GW's approach to new units in big boxes since 8th dropped, it is unlikely that such an approach would happen, but it is the way Dudeface would've done it.
Yeeeees, this is correct, however given forgebane, wake the dead, tooth and claw & wrath and rapture - normal is actually to use full kits, this is the odd one out in terms of price and sprues.
NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote: Having seen that this box rocks in at £105, the fact the models are fairly monopose/ETB, apart from some headswaps, and the inevitable multipose box sets which will follow I am inclined to pass on this set.
Whilst it is great to see my army get a revamp I am struggling to weigh up how the pros out strip the cons.
Anyone else thinking along these lines?
Yeah man 175 dollers for 15 ounces of plastic? What a fethen deal.
Hey I have some ocean front property for super cheap if your intrested.
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