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Says it comes with one skyclaw packleader and four skyclaws but can include a wolf guard sky leader. Can a squad include both or does one replace the other?
Second, power first or thunder or what would be good?
Third, any suggestions how sky claws should be built?

zainale wrote:
Says it comes with one skyclaw packleader and four skyclaws but can include a wolf guard sky leader. Can a squad include both or does one replace the other?
Second, power first or thunder or what would be good?
Third, any suggestions how sky claws should be built?

1) It's in addition.
2) Both are kind of terrible in 8th. You're better off with the Power Axe IMHO. If you must take one I would say the Thunder Hammer outclasses the Power Fist in all situations.
3) Stick with Chainswords. Give the Pack Leader a Power Axe and the Wolf Guard a Thunder Hammer.

To be honest better use them as wolf guards with jump pack.

But if you HAVE to take skyclaws, better take them naked with bare chainswords, just 5 dudes. Their only role is to take objectives fast(wolf guards with stormbolters and shields do this job better), or deny vehicles shooting (if it's not bubblewrapped for some reason).

Why not both with power axes?

And keep in ming, both skyclaws and jump pack wolf guards are for extremely friendly casual play only. Should your opponent bring semi balanced list they are effectively useless.

Why skyclaws? For a fast attack army. Was thinking about doing the jump jet wolf guards but they dont become fast attackers.... that I know of/about.
I am kitbashing these guys into skyclaws or wolf guards. I am up in the air about which to turn them into. It came with as a ten man squad and included a wolf lord that I am slapping a jetpack onto.




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Me and the guys are noobs at this game. Thought I would build a swarm attack army or something that could be on top of their army asap. But i also have the makings of a three troops army.

Would love to be able to afford a bunch of fenrisian wolves for that swarm attack army. In time maybe.

Then the question whar armies your friends have.

It's pretty hard to make the sides equal in strength and you at risk to be underdog in every match


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The space wolves are bottom tier, and taking worst options in the bad codex could lead to the frustrating experience, especially if you play agaist IG, for example.

genestealer cult, Imperial Guard, chaos korne, blue boys I think, some other Space Marine Army blood angels mayhaps and necrons. I don't have to worry about the Imperial guards being played. Because the players too lazy to even put his army together or paint them himself. he expects everyone else to do them for him.

Then you are good, marines (without Guilliman), spiky marines and necrons all on the same feet.

But I still recommend to use them as wolf guard, or keep skyclaws as cheap as possible (5 man, no weapons). The damage output is laughable compare their point cost, they are not tanky either. They will be your regular objective grabbers, probably they will never fight in melee and just will die in shooting phases.


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I use single wolves to grab objects, but must keep them in los block all the time, or you will give up KP like candies.

I won't be quite as doom and gloom as the other responses because I'm guessing from your tone and posts that you're in an extremely casual/nooby group and as such you could probably take pretty much anything and be fine.

I am going to echo one response, though: If you want your jump pack unit to be doing much actual killing of things, I would point you towards Wolf Guard with Jump Packs instead, because they get a bonus attack automatically, but also more because they can choose their wargear freely, which means your unit can be a mixture of guys with storm shield/chainsword, and guys with Thunder Hammer/Boltgun. With that kind of setup they have a little actual durability (and if you have other common Storm Shield wielding units like Thunderwolves and Wulfen then the hope is your opponent will not have enough light weapons to cope) while also being able to threaten tanks with the multiple thunder hammers.

In the skyclaws unit the setup I would definitely go for is Wolf Guard Pack Leader with Storm Shield+Chainsword or boltgun, the rest of the squad with chainswords. The power of storm shields CANNOT be understated, it makes it far harder to just turn anti-elite weapons like plasma guns on your basic marine troops and hose them away. And the wonderful thing is as a space wolf player, with every troop box you get two of the beautiful things on a power armor arm.

If you asked me "Scotsman, make me a space wolf list that presents the strengths of the space wolves for a casual group" my setup would be:

-Basic squads are grey hunters with storm bolter/storm shield WG pack leaders (Possibly storm shield/storm bolter terminator pack leaders, I'm not sure if having a couple 2+ saves is worth the extra 11 points or not)

-long range anti tank would be long fangs with lascannons and a storm shield WGPL to protect them from anti-elite weaponry

-HQs either on wolves or on bikes if they can't have a wolf.

-Everybody on foot, using the shrouding powers from a rune priest to set up protection for your main melee block.

-Main melee block as either storm shield wulfen or storm shield thunderwolf cav (probably the wulfen).

Sounds like magnets should be your friends. It's incredibly easy to magnetize Space Marine wargear and you should do it with all special weapons if you want your army to be future proofed and if you don't want to play the same list again and again.

I could equip one of either squad with a combi-melta or a combi-plasma. I also have quite a few stormbolters. 3 hammers, 4 shields, a few axes, couple swords w/runes on them.

zainale wrote:
I could equip one of either squad with a combi-melta or a combi-plasma. I also have quite a few stormbolters. 3 hammers, 4 shields, a few axes, couple swords w/runes on them.

how many storm shields do you have? I remember after buying just a couple space wolf boxes (this was back when storm shields were terrible) I had a TON of them, because the terminator kit came with 5, the space wolf kit with 2, the thunderwolf kit with three...

TBH those bits being in all the basic kits is probably one of the best tings about the space wolves' stuff right now.

When your list presents only one type of target to your opponent, but still has all the elements to deal with everything in your opponent's list, that can be very strong especially in casual groups.

If you construct your list such that every target available to your opponent is protected with at least 1 3++ invulnerable save, then every plasma gun, every weapon he has to hunt tanks, everything iwth AP all of it might as well be not there.

it's not a tactic that will win you every tournament you go to, but it is something you'll see in tournament lists. Take the classic "wall of guardsmen in front of a knight" list that's the strongest in the game right now. that knight is the only vehicle on the board, and he can have a 3++ save, as well as being T8. That makes almost all anti tank guns very bad at killing him.

For the wolf guard 5 man squad I settled on 3 storm shields and thunder hammers one with dual power fists and the last with a combi-plasma and power fist.

5 man skyclaw squad with two bolt pistols and chain sword, two plasma pistols and chain sword, leader powerfist and bolt pistol, wolfguard sky leader with stormbolter and thunderwolf shield.


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This set up is so I can have the option to field a fast attack and elite army if I wanted. But with the option of the sky claws being absorbed into the wolf guard squad with minimal reequipting when I can replace the skyclaws with a suitable squad. That's the plan anyways.

Have to say - second powerfist on the same model is not working.

It's on the wolfguard sky leader.and why wouldn't it work?

Why would you ever take dual Power Fists?

You gain no bonus. I mean, I guess if you go up against Jain Zarr a lot...

Ohh, I know what I did. I mixed up one guy from each of the teams. But still why wouldn't the dual powerfists work? I ment storm bolter and storm<?> shield. My mistake.


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Wouldn't you get a second attack?

zainale wrote:
Ohh, I know what I did. I mixed up one guy from each of the teams. But still why wouldn't the dual powerfists work? I ment storm bolter and storm<?> shield. My mistake.


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Wouldn't you get a second attack?

Nope. There are no bonuses for dual wielding unless a specific rule on the weapon or datasheet says so.

I also don't get the reference.


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Ohh well darn.... what would you replace a powerfist with?