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Hi guys, i need to clarify something that happened in game and i'm not 100% sure how to resolve:
1-If a BA unit is stuck in combat, then in my turn i use "upon wings of fire" and place it anywhere else, can i charge with him? That's not a Fall back so i'd say yes.

2-Tanks cover: does a tank receive the cover if it's at least 50% obscured from the point of view of the shooter, or there are other conditions for it to be in cover? (Other than ruins, i know that the tank must also be in the ruin to be considered in cover)

3-Can i use "Forlon Fury" to move and advance before the first turn, and then move and charge during my first turn?

1) if it doesnt say you cant, then probably yes. But i would check the FAQ's as well to be sure. [they are on the warhammer community site]

2) No thats fine. OFC some terrain types wont give vehicles cover but im yet to find one that would actually obscure 50% or more of the tank anyways [craters for example]

3) Im not a BA player so im not sure. What does the Forlon Fury rule actually say?

1) Yes. You did not Fall Back, so you may shoot and charge.

2) The vehicle needs to be both 50% obscured and in terrain to get the bonus from Cover.

3) Actions taken before the First Turn have no impact on your actions during the First Turn. Actions taken at the beginning of the Movement Phase would.

Thank you guys

 alextroy wrote:


2) The vehicle needs to be both 50% obscured and in terrain to get the bonus from Cover.

About this, where could i find the rules that state this?

Alessios96 wrote:
Thank you guys

 alextroy wrote:


2) The vehicle needs to be both 50% obscured and in terrain to get the bonus from Cover.

About this, where could i find the rules that state this?

Core rule book, the section on terrain, the passage on ruins.

There is no general rule for giving vehicles a cover save, but they can get one in ruins if they are also 50% obscured.

50% obscured in itself does nothing (outside of Cities of Death).

As for #1, the BRB FAQ explicitly covers this.

BRB FAQ wrote:Q: If a unit starts its Movement phase within 1" of an enemy, can it use a rule that removes them from the battlefield and then sets them up again, such as the Teleport Homer ability or the Gate of Infinity psychic power?
A: Yes.

Q: If a unit starts its Movement phase within 1" of an enemy unit but elects to remain stationary, but subsequently uses a rule that removes them from the battlefield and then sets them up again, such as the Teleport Homer ability or the Gate of Infinity psychic power, is it considered to have Fallen Back this turn?
A: No.

Thanks guys!

Another question came to my mind:

Is overwatch affected by negative modifiers?

In general, overwatch hits on a natural roll of a 6 and so is unaffected by modifiers.

 Bilge Rat wrote:
In general, overwatch hits on a natural roll of a 6 and so is unaffected by modifiers.

The example im bringing is "Defensive gunners", with that stratagem i hit with 5 and 6. Could it be modified?

Alessios96 wrote:
Another question came to my mind:

Is overwatch affected by negative modifiers?

This is a tiny bit complex.

The roll IS affected by modifiers. Whether the shot hits is based on whether you roll a 6 on the dice regardless of modifiers though.

That might seem odd, but it is often important. For instance if you shoot overcharged plasma on overwatch and you have a -1 to hit, you still hit on a natural roll of a 6 but you will die on a natural roll of a 1 or 2.

There are some abilities such as the Mordian regimental doctrine that as printed give a +1 to hit on overwatch. This was a mistake, because whether you hit on overwatch ignores modifiers. However such abilities were erratad to instead allow natural 5s to hit.

Overwatch is affected by modifiers, but those modifiers don't change the results you need to hit.

e.g. Defensive Gunners will hit on a 5 or 6, even if you have a -1 to hit. However, if you overcharge your Plasma weapons and roll a 2 and have a -1 to hit, it will trigger the overheat even though overwatch needs a fixed number to hit.

Ok guys, you were clear enough.
Could you please give me the page in the errata where to find those clarifications?

Alessios96 wrote:
Ok guys, you were clear enough.
Could you please give me the page in the errata where to find those clarifications?

There aren't any, it's just what the rules say.

Core rules, charge phase, overwatch. It says that all rules of the shooting phase apply, except you need a natural 6 to hit.

on a similar vein..what about weapons (like flamers) that automatically hit?

Waaaaghmaster wrote:
on a similar vein..what about weapons (like flamers) that automatically hit?

They still automatically hit on Overwatch. However anything that triggers on a result To Hit can never trigger since you don't roll To Hit with automatically hitting weapons.

Also keep in mind that range still applies in Overwatch, which means if you're charged from 8.1" away, an 8" weapon cannot fire. Is it stupid? Yes, but those are the rules and it's one of the lesser points of stupidity that is the 8th edition rules.

Here we go again with more questions:

1-If i have a unit with 5 lascannon, i just move 1 model, is the unit considered as if all have moved, for the purpose of shooting, or just the single model suffers - 1 to hit?

2-I charge two different units, A Captain in the front and a unit of 5 Tactical Marines few inches behind him. I barely make my charge so that i arrive lets say 0.7 from the captain. With my pile in movement, can i move up to 3inches so that i reach the Marines in the back, still moving closer to the captain (so im now less than 0.7 from him)? Or do i have to move least possible so that im closer to him with no extra movement?

1. Only the models that actually moved count as having moved.

2. You can move the full 3 inch's, as long as you do not move any farther from the captain (granted, this means that unless you charged with a single model unit, the guys in the back are gonna have a hard time getting to anything behind the captain).

2. Actually, the rule is when you Pile-In and Consolidate you must end "closer to the nearest enemy model". This means you can start 0.99" away on one side of him and run past him as long as you end your move at least 0.98" away from him.

 alextroy wrote:
2. Actually, the rule is when you Pile-In and Consolidate you must end "closer to the nearest enemy model". This means you can start 0.99" away on one side of him and run past him as long as you end your move at least 0.98" away from him.

This is correct. You are under no obligation to move directly towards the closest enemy model, just that you end up closer. You can do any path you wish so long as you end up closer.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
2. Actually, the rule is when you Pile-In and Consolidate you must end "closer to the nearest enemy model". This means you can start 0.99" away on one side of him and run past him as long as you end your move at least 0.98" away from him.

This is correct. You are under no obligation to move directly towards the closest enemy model, just that you end up closer. You can do any path you wish so long as you end up closer.

Yes, that is what i was thinking. Thank you.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Waaaaghmaster wrote:
on a similar vein..what about weapons (like flamers) that automatically hit?

They still automatically hit on Overwatch. However anything that triggers on a result To Hit can never trigger since you don't roll To Hit with automatically hitting weapons.

Also keep in mind that range still applies in Overwatch, which means if you're charged from 8.1" away, an 8" weapon cannot fire. Is it stupid? Yes, but those are the rules and it's one of the lesser points of stupidity that is the 8th edition rules.

I came looking for the -1 to hit for plasma overwatch but the range in overwatch is something we always doubted, as it is a friendly match, we accept the flamer firing Overwatch, because the enemy unit is supposed to be "getting closer" as it charges.

But also think about being "in cover" for overwatch, Say my hormagaunts are behind a barricade before charging, do they get +1 for being in cover to save in overwatch?

Anyone knows what is the ruling in big events?

Wallur wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Waaaaghmaster wrote:
on a similar vein..what about weapons (like flamers) that automatically hit?

They still automatically hit on Overwatch. However anything that triggers on a result To Hit can never trigger since you don't roll To Hit with automatically hitting weapons.

Also keep in mind that range still applies in Overwatch, which means if you're charged from 8.1" away, an 8" weapon cannot fire. Is it stupid? Yes, but those are the rules and it's one of the lesser points of stupidity that is the 8th edition rules.

I came looking for the -1 to hit for plasma overwatch but the range in overwatch is something we always doubted, as it is a friendly match, we accept the flamer firing Overwatch, because the enemy unit is supposed to be "getting closer" as it charges.

But also think about being "in cover" for overwatch, Say my hormagaunts are behind a barricade before charging, do they get +1 for being in cover to save in overwatch?

Anyone knows what is the ruling in big events?

The rules are pretty simple here. Everything applies based on exactly where the models are at the moment overwatch is fired, which is before moving the models for the charge. So if the Hormagaunts start their charge in cover then they get the cover save.