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I'd have thought GW would do a single card pack for the mercenaries and monsters surely. Far easier than repacking everything whilst the chimera might be a one-off.

Otherwise they'll be in the book.

Hmmm...Maybe the mercenaries won't be just characters from AoS. I wonder if we won't get things like Chaos Spawns or maybe Troggoths working the same. 50 is a lot, after all...

Surprised by the prices, if they're true. So low for the book ? Maybe it won't be that big in the end ?

Monsters and Mercenaries is a 64 page book

Defiled ruins is listed as a 5 sprue set - Azyrite Townscape is 3 sprues and presumably then the others are the Timeworn Ruins which is 2 sprues (shown as 4 on the website but it's 2 sprues split in half) but only the Braziers appear on the box. The Townscape is €42.50 and Timeworn Ruins are €32.50 worth so that's €75 worth for €70.

 DaveC wrote:

Defiled ruins is listed as a 5 sprue set - Azyrite Townscape is 3 sprues and presumably then the others are the Timeworn Ruins which is 2 sprues (shown as 4 on the website but it's 2 sprues split in half) but only the Braziers appear on the box. The Townscape is €42.50 and Timeworn Ruins are €32.50 worth so that's €75 worth for €70.

Definitely has parts from the Azyrite Ruins as well - the chests and the squarish doorways in the front. At least two half-sprues there. I also think it only includes two Townscape sprues and not all three. So 2 Townscape, 2 Ruins, and the brazier sprue from Timeworn.

 Sqorgar wrote:

 DaveC wrote:

Defiled ruins is listed as a 5 sprue set - Azyrite Townscape is 3 sprues and presumably then the others are the Timeworn Ruins which is 2 sprues (shown as 4 on the website but it's 2 sprues split in half) but only the Braziers appear on the box. The Townscape is €42.50 and Timeworn Ruins are €32.50 worth so that's €75 worth for €70.

Definitely has parts from the Azyrite Ruins as well - the chests and the squarish doorways in the front. At least two half-sprues there. I also think it only includes two Townscape sprues and not all three. So 2 Townscape, 2 Ruins, and the brazier sprue from Timeworn.

It's hard to know for definite the townscape sprue pictures on the website are wrong (they have been since release) the townscape comes with 2 of the original Azyrite ruin sprues and not the Hallowheart sprue that's shown on the website but the Defiled Ruins are shown with the Hallowheart sprue as well. But yes the Defiled Ruins are missing one of the Townscape sprues.

So then it looks like 1 Townscape sprue, 1 Hallowheart Sprue, 2 Azyrite ruins sprues (or are these half sprues and 2 count as 1?) the brazier sprue (and again is it half the sprue or the whole sprue with all of the statue?) OK I'm lost now

So to be consistent with their other Azyrite ruins releases the box contents will differ from the picture

Well on the positive side if the contents differ from the photo you can complain and they'll probably send you a replacement box..... which will be wrong again as the photo is the problem not the contents

rinse and repeat till they change the picture?

Knight Venator or Azyros would be cool to include into any order warband. Better make a plan to finally assemble one of them.

 DaveC wrote:
It's hard to know for definite the townscape sprue pictures on the website are wrong (they have been since release) the townscape comes with 2 of the original Azyrite ruin sprues and not the Hallowheart sprue that's shown on the website but the Defiled Ruins are shown with the Hallowheart sprue as well. But yes the Defiled Ruins are missing one of the Townscape sprues.

FYI the Townscape including the half Ruins sprues and not Hallowheart sprue was a mispack on launch, and subsequent reprints of Townscape have corrected it. In fact I had one that I purchased last November get it's sprue replaced by GW cust svc just a couple weeks ago.
The Azyrite Townscape as shown on the website is the correct configuration.

it looks like someone put the Monsters and Mercs page up early

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Boxed-Games?N=1339748208+1830991490+3588648077&No=12&Nr=AND%28sku.siteId%3AUS_gw%2Cproduct.locale%3Aen_US_gw%29&Nrpp=12&Nrs=collection%28%29%2Frecord[product.startDate+%3C%3D+1567670460000+and+product.endDate+%3E%3D+1567670460000]

Full list in case it gets pulled

Mercs 46 of 50 are listed. The Daughters of Khaine get 3 of the 4 missing (Slaughter Queen, Hag Queen and Bloodwrack Medusa) but aren't listed as they are in the Cauldron box and the final one is the Abhorrent Ghoul King which also doesn't have a mini available on it's own yet.

Slaughterpriest
Slaughtpriest with Hackblade
SkullGrinder
Exalted Deathbringer with Impaling Spear
Exalted Deathbringer with Ruinous Axe
Aspriring Deathbringer with Goreaxe
Tomb Banshee
Cairn Wraith
Liekoron the Executioner
Knight of Shrouds
Grawlocke the Jailor
Wight King with Baleful Tomb Blade
Lord of Plagues
Lord of Blights
Gaunt Summoner
Gaunt Summoner on Disc
Magister of Tzeentch
Tzaangor Shaman
Ogroid Thaumaturge
Great Bray Shaman
Chaos Lord
Chaos Sorcerer Lord
Darkoath Chieftain
Darkoath Warqueen
Necromancer
Savage Big Boss
Weirdnob Shaman
Warchanter
Megaboss
Clawlord
Grey Seer
Knight Questor
Knight Heraldor
Kingith Vexillor
Lord Veritant
Lord Celestant
Lord Castellant
Isharann Soulrender
Isharann Soulscryer
Isharann Tidecaster
Fungoid Cave Shaman
Brewgit
Boolgeye
Shroomancer
Spiker
Scaremonger

Monsters
Razorgor
Chaos Hounds
Chaos Spawn
Terrorgheist
Cygor
Gorgon
Zombie Dragon
Kharibyss
War Hydra
CHaos Gargant
Aracknorak

Anything which deepens this game's campaign options draws me that much closer to buying in...

It should be 47, Chaos Sorcerer Lord is in the Mercenaries section.

I'm guessing that there might be a 48th in that the Spirit Torment(Crawlocke the Jailer) can take, counting separately from him, the Chainghasts that the set includes or they can be taken solo.

Oh I just had a nasty thought...it might be that the Knight-Questor and Wight King have additional profiles for different weapon options.

Wight King has the Black Axe in Finecast currently and the Knight-Questor has at least two event exclusives right?

Yep I counted the Chaos Sorcerer Lord in the 46 I doubt they will give the Finecast models stats and they seem to be sticking with the plastic versions (other than Pumbagor) and as exclusives aren't freely available they will probably be left out too.

I just realised 31 of these are direct only so you'll end up having to pay full retail for them.

 DaveC wrote:
Weirdnob Shaman

I've got him and a box of Ironjawz sitting in my grey plastic pile I'l have to move up in the queue...

Don't forget the Chimera is also not listed up there so that's another that will likely appear - that one likely because its getting a special warcry box of its own with cards inside so likely won't appear until Saturday .

Not sure if this is of any interest, but TT Combat (who do really decent MDF terrain, and have free shipping over 100 pounds) have been releasing Warcry-styled kits.

https://ttcombat.com/collections/fantasy-realms

Their fantasy realms stuff is really nice. I'll vouch for it. They've put out quite a few kits since the last I ordered, and they're all quite modular in nature as well.

Only downside if I guess you can't really use the terrain cards with it.

On the plus side I've got a large chunk of the current merc options already painted! Nice surprise to see some Skaven show up!

Have we seen how powerful some of these Merc might be? I'm not exactly sure of them myself, as it sniffs of Commander repackages to me.

I'm pretty excited to hunt big beasts and throw them into combat with other warbands though. Just because that sounds like a lot of fun. The new 'challenging' quests seem interesting as well.

It does has a taste of all the expansion that got players jaded by Kill Team. The Monster hunting is a fun addition but I don't think I'm too out there for suggesting that most people would have preferred a wider range of original warbands and even special characters in the WarCry aesthetic rather than just dumping Hero level characters from AoS general in there. Suppose I shouldn't fault them for trying to dual purpose existing kits and nobody is obliged to use them but it does come across as lazy.

Remember if Warcry is like Killteam then GW's intent isn't to make a whole new game, but to use it to draw people into the main AoS game. If you look at the new model warband stats they fit very nicely into the AoS design for a larger army unit. The only bit standing out is that GW hasn't updated Slaves to Darkness and thus the warbands are more a Warcry thing than an AoS at this stage.

However them bringing in Dark Oath leaders and such makes perfect sense. The only real oddity is bringing in heroes like skaven before bringing in the cards to add skaven warbands.

I'm not surprised at this addition in the least in terms of the type of content its adding. More monsters; larger monsters and more models from the core game appearing in the intro game. The only real issue is that for AoS you have to buy more htan "one box" for many of the non-warband dedicated forces. But from GW's angle that's no bad thing and you can still make decent forces out of a single box for most of the regular armies.



Again Warcry is one of those intro games. Buy a box - get into the game and get playing FAST. Using its own points and rules and stats means it works better than trying to shoe-horn in core game rules scaled down from 2K to under 500 points. Meanwhile it also provides something short, small and different for regular players. Giving something for those hwo might not have 5 hours to game or who didn't get started early in the game evening etc...

JimmyWolf87 wrote:
It does has a taste of all the expansion that got players jaded by Kill Team. The Monster hunting is a fun addition but I don't think I'm too out there for suggesting that most people would have preferred a wider range of original warbands and even special characters in the WarCry aesthetic rather than just dumping Hero level characters from AoS general in there. Suppose I shouldn't fault them for trying to dual purpose existing kits and nobody is obliged to use them but it does come across as lazy.

One thing to take into account is that AoS doesn't have an "Elite" slot for characters that aren't leaders to go into.
Things like the Soulrender or Soulscryer for Idoneth, Skullgrinders for Khorne, Spirit Torment(Crawlocke the Jailer) for Nighthaunt, etc would very very likely be put as Elite choices in 40k--but here they're just characters.

I think we will definitely see characters tied to the WarCry aesthetic down the road, but this book is seemingly just a smart-ish way to bring more stuff into the fold relatively quickly.

I may have missed this, but do we have any indication yet who may hire mercs? As in, do only Sigmarines get Sigmarines? Or does all of Order get Sigmarines? Or does everyone get Sigmarines?

I wouldn't be opposed to being able use my Questor in my Daughters warband since I don't particularly care for Vanguard and have no intention of getting a warband of those.

We don't know 100% who gets what now.

Personally, I'm kind of perturbed by the Stormcast selections. Once again, whiffed on the Vanguard side of things. We can have a Lord-Castellant, Lord-Celestant, either of the goofy musicians/standard bearers...but no Knight-Zephyros? No Knight-Venator or Azyros?

I get why no Lord-Aquilor or Palladors, but c'mon. They did this crap with Skirmish too.

 Geifer wrote:
I may have missed this, but do we have any indication yet who may hire mercs? As in, do only Sigmarines get Sigmarines? Or does all of Order get Sigmarines? Or does everyone get Sigmarines?

I wouldn't be opposed to being able use my Questor in my Daughters warband since I don't particularly care for Vanguard and have no intention of getting a warband of those.

Apparently it's by Grand Alliance so Order with Order and so on, that's the rumour on Reddit from someone who's seen the book (they posted the correct list of Mercs before they went live on the website).

plus the Warhammer Community posted this but it's not definitive

Allies allow you to add spellcasters, deadly champions and agents of the Grand Alliances to your roster.

 DaveC wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
I may have missed this, but do we have any indication yet who may hire mercs? As in, do only Sigmarines get Sigmarines? Or does all of Order get Sigmarines? Or does everyone get Sigmarines?

I wouldn't be opposed to being able use my Questor in my Daughters warband since I don't particularly care for Vanguard and have no intention of getting a warband of those.

Apparently it's by Grand Alliance so Order with Order and so on, that's the rumour on Reddit from someone who's seen the book (they posted the correct list of Mercs before they went live on the website).

Did they have whatever ones we were missing--or were those the ones that you noted were bundled?

The ones I noted that are bundled yes.

Thanks! Mercs by Grand Alliance would certainly work for me.

 Kanluwen wrote:
We don't know 100% who gets what now.

Personally, I'm kind of perturbed by the Stormcast selections. Once again, whiffed on the Vanguard side of things. We can have a Lord-Castellant, Lord-Celestant, either of the goofy musicians/standard bearers...but no Knight-Zephyros? No Knight-Venator or Azyros?

I get why no Lord-Aquilor or Palladors, but c'mon. They did this crap with Skirmish too.

Yeah, I can't say I'm satisfied with the treatment Sigmarines got either.

I can kind of understand using the sneaky Vanguard guys to scout around the Varanspire as it's thematic, but if you have orcs trampling around with no care for who spots them, I'm not sure why Sigmarines need to be super sneaky about their operations there.

And it does not do the breadth of their model line justice to have such a meager selection to draw from. Introducing characters that don't follow the theme is the icing, if you will.

The Vanguard aren't really "sneaky", they're just scouts. They're people who were used to operating by themselves before and after Chaos took over the Realms.
Huntsmen, bandits, trappers, and the like--with a smattering of what GW labeled as "vigilantes" who 'died' fighting what were effectively one-person wars against Chaos.

And really, using Orcs as an example of anything will always justify goin' louda. The Gitz are sneakin, Idoneth are sneakin', Corvus Cabal are sneakin'...why can't the Stormcast get their people who are used to working outside the ranks as their setup?


The only reason I can think of no Zephyros, Venator, Aquilor, etc is that someone really just doesn't like them.

No ogors kingdoms or beastclaws raiders it seems. :(

I was saddened by the lack of Ogors as well.

I'm hoping we see cards show up for them and the Seraphon as their new models or repackaged stuff at least starts to show up. Seems most other factions got cards, with the exception of those guys and the dwarfs in one form or another.

The new bone construct guys should get some WarCry cards too.

I would imagine the lack of Ogor rules is because of their impending battletome. They'll probably release Warcry rules for them shortly after the tome drops. Of course, if that's true, it might mean that the Slaves to Darkness tome is further off than I had hoped.