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Ranting on the internet about typos (again) won’t do anything.

You could have predicted it would happen, so don’t let it wind you up so much. Give feedback to the people who can effect change in an appropriate, polite manner. This may achieve far more than internet noise they won’t read.

At one time, there were new plastic Dwarf models. One observant person mentioned that the edge of the sprues had a 'year of production' modeled onto it. And it was a full year earlier than the actual release date of the models.
As such, I'm no longer surprised to see GW put a book onto their shelves, which does not refer to rules / FAQs / errata / pojnt values made about a half a year earlier. Is it good form? Does it inspire confidence? Not in my opinion. Do I stop buying GW products? Well, not completely, only partially. I still think they produce some of the best models out there. I think I will still buy the new Vigilus book and Codex one day. I will not, however, invest any more money in card sets (such as objective cards, or Codex related reference cards). I copy the infrmation from the codex, make my own cards, and if a card is subject to errata and the likes, I change my version of the card, print that one anew, and play with updated stuff.

I tend to agree with BaconCatBug to a certain degree. There are subjectively (perhaps even objectively) way too many errors, misprints, and oversights in rather expesive, professionally produced books from GW. Inconsistencies (the same datasheets in two different codices such as Chaos Cultists with differences) or even illogical consistencies (a Death Guard Chaos Lord with Toughness 4 because it is a copy from the basic CSM codex and the Mark of Nurgle or Death Guard are just keywords now, which don't provide a game benefit such as a Toughness increase by themselves). Actually, that isn't so illogical now I think about it. It is a one-time accurate copy from one book to another, and it promotes sales. Buy that new Lord Of Contageon model, as it does have the coveted Toughness 5. Out with the old Chaos Lord for he is not ill enough to be Toughness 5, and therefor he is easier to kill!

Death Guard is a whole can of worms when it comes to Characters and inconsistencies.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Death Guard is a whole can of worms when it comes to Characters and inconsistencies.

Why?

pm713 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Death Guard is a whole can of worms when it comes to Characters and inconsistencies.

Why?

New characters got T5 and FNP.

Old characters are stuck at T4 and no FNP.

 JNAProductions wrote:

pm713 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Death Guard is a whole can of worms when it comes to Characters and inconsistencies.

Why?

New characters got T5 and FNP.

Old characters are stuck at T4 and no FNP.

But then you don't have to price them with T5 and FNP.

Codex Chaos Space Marines 2019
Forward Operatives
The Stratagem has the same wording as before the errata, meaning it's a scout-deployment rather than a pre-game movement.

Obliterators
Their points cost is reverted to their old value, meaning you get the updated Profile for almost half the cost.

New mistakes are one thing, but addressing something in an errata or update and then having that same issue return in the next publication is unforgivable. I wonder what level of quality issues are enough for people to finally say, "Nope! I'm not buying that." I'm guessing it'll probably have to get a whole lot worse considering the extent to which Games-Workshop's customers are generally willing to forgive them.

I can't help but feel like this is the one major issue that still stands out as a reminder of the dark days of the Kirby Heresy. When the survey starts, improving publication quality and improving or discarding the new Inceptor/Suppressor/Kharadron flight pegs are the only things I'm going to mention. As great as Games-Workshop has been over the past two years, I can't help but feel like these kinds of obnoxious quality issues should be tolerated by a company who's mission statement is to produce "The best fantasy miniatures in the world. Forever."

 Ginjitzu wrote:

Codex Chaos Space Marines 2019
Forward Operatives
The Stratagem has the same wording as before the errata, meaning it's a scout-deployment rather than a pre-game movement.

Obliterators
Their points cost is reverted to their old value, meaning you get the updated Profile for almost half the cost.

New mistakes are one thing, but addressing something in an errata or update and then having that same issue return in the next publication is unforgivable. I wonder what level of quality issues are enough for people to finally say, "Nope! I'm not buying that." I'm guessing it'll probably have to get a whole lot worse considering the extent to which Games-Workshop's customers are generally willing to forgive them.

I can't help but feel like this is the one major issue that still stands out as a reminder of the dark days of the Kirby Heresy. When the survey starts, improving publication quality and improving or discarding the new Inceptor/Suppressor/Kharadron flight pegs are the only things I'm going to mention. As great as Games-Workshop has been over the past two years, I can't help but feel like these kinds of obnoxious quality issues should be tolerated by a company who's mission statement is to produce "The best fantasy miniatures in the world. Forever."

yeah definatly demanding they revisit the flight stands is a good idea thanks for mentioning that I'll make sure I remember to say that too

 Ginjitzu wrote:

Codex Chaos Space Marines 2019
Forward Operatives
The Stratagem has the same wording as before the errata, meaning it's a scout-deployment rather than a pre-game movement.

Obliterators
Their points cost is reverted to their old value, meaning you get the updated Profile for almost half the cost.

New mistakes are one thing, but addressing something in an errata or update and then having that same issue return in the next publication is unforgivable. I wonder what level of quality issues are enough for people to finally say, "Nope! I'm not buying that." I'm guessing it'll probably have to get a whole lot worse considering the extent to which Games-Workshop's customers are generally willing to forgive them.

I can't help but feel like this is the one major issue that still stands out as a reminder of the dark days of the Kirby Heresy. When the survey starts, improving publication quality and improving or discarding the new Inceptor/Suppressor/Kharadron flight pegs are the only things I'm going to mention. As great as Games-Workshop has been over the past two years, I can't help but feel like these kinds of obnoxious quality issues should be tolerated by a company who's mission statement is to produce "The best fantasy miniatures in the world. Forever."

As stated however the Forward Ops was changed in a BETA rule. So it makes sense, despite the Beta rules almost always becoming full rules, to not print a Beta rule in a codex as the expectation is you'll still check the FAQs.

The Obliterators though there's no excuse. Just lazy and shoddy writing and really shows why GW's adherence to print is a load of gak. The book was likely written months ago, maybe before Shadowspear, and there apparently was no collaboration in a rush to get it to print.

I do think that's something they really need to fix. It's ridiculous to have them push so many things out and it's just riddled with errors or copy/paste jobs that leave things up to debate and RAW vs. RAI debates because they seemingly can't take time to double check before sending it off to make sure things are updated properly.

As a founding member of POEM, Professional Organization of English Majors, I find it galling, simply so, that I have to tear myself away from the rich life we lead; of fancy sports cars, women, and expensive cigars, just to come down and instruct you how to properly craft a sentence. A sentence mind you that was purely constructed to mock other's mistakes.

And before you come back at me, with your perverse and frankly, weird, hard-on for pointing out flaws, please understand that the above is entirely satire. I didn't mean to make you angry, simply to point out a humorous mistake. I enjoy reading your logical breaks of 40k. I enjoy your posts.

But you should bear your scarlet letter proudly. You were a grammatically incorrect grammar nazi. ANT ZIS IST NEIN A GAME!

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
As a founding member of POEM, Professional Organization of English Majors, I find it galling, simply so, that I have to tear myself away from the rich life we lead; of fancy sports cars, women, and expensive cigars, just to come down and instruct you how to properly craft a sentence. A sentence mind you that was purely constructed to mock other's mistakes.

And before you come back at me, with your perverse and frankly, weird, hard-on for pointing out flaws, please understand that the above is entirely satire. I didn't mean to make you angry, simply to point out a humorous mistake. I enjoy reading your logical breaks of 40k. I enjoy your posts.

But you should bear your scarlet letter proudly. You were a grammatically incorrect grammar nazi. ANT ZIS IST NEIN A GAME!

I'm not really sure what you are getting at here; if this is meant to be joking or insulting or saying it's not a big deal (which is horsegak because it is, and that attitude is why it's allowed to continue)

Wayniac wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
As a founding member of POEM, Professional Organization of English Majors, I find it galling, simply so, that I have to tear myself away from the rich life we lead; of fancy sports cars, women, and expensive cigars, just to come down and instruct you how to properly craft a sentence. A sentence mind you that was purely constructed to mock other's mistakes.

And before you come back at me, with your perverse and frankly, weird, hard-on for pointing out flaws, please understand that the above is entirely satire. I didn't mean to make you angry, simply to point out a humorous mistake. I enjoy reading your logical breaks of 40k. I enjoy your posts.

But you should bear your scarlet letter proudly. You were a grammatically incorrect grammar nazi. ANT ZIS IST NEIN A GAME!

I'm not really sure what you are getting at here; if this is meant to be joking or insulting or saying it's not a big deal (which is horsegak because it is, and that attitude is why it's allowed to continue)

I belive it was a humorous jab at bcb, but overall he seems to agree with him.
Also @FezzikDaBullgryn, NICHT *, this is the grammar Gestapo speaking.

Overall, i emailed gw due to the daemonkin documment, that was missing pts. Answer in the next faq for the codex supposed to be fixed.

Make of that what you want.

BrianDavion wrote:
nothing wrong with house rules everyone does them and I know in somegames they are so dominant that they eventually end up in the rules themselves

If yoyu tend to play with the same people most of the time - its a great thing to do. IF you can all agree on them

Wayniac wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
As a founding member of POEM, Professional Organization of English Majors, I find it galling, simply so, that I have to tear myself away from the rich life we lead; of fancy sports cars, women, and expensive cigars, just to come down and instruct you how to properly craft a sentence. A sentence mind you that was purely constructed to mock other's mistakes.

And before you come back at me, with your perverse and frankly, weird, hard-on for pointing out flaws, please understand that the above is entirely satire. I didn't mean to make you angry, simply to point out a humorous mistake. I enjoy reading your logical breaks of 40k. I enjoy your posts.

But you should bear your scarlet letter proudly. You were a grammatically incorrect grammar nazi. ANT ZIS IST NEIN A GAME!

I'm not really sure what you are getting at here; if this is meant to be joking or insulting or saying it's not a big deal (which is horsegak because it is, and that attitude is why it's allowed to continue)

I have a ceiling chair I NEED to sell to you. Because you need to be up higher. Because this went WAAAAAY over your head if you think "please understand that the above is entirely satire" is difficult to understand....

Wayniac wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
As a founding member of POEM, Professional Organization of English Majors, I find it galling, simply so, that I have to tear myself away from the rich life we lead; of fancy sports cars, women, and expensive cigars, just to come down and instruct you how to properly craft a sentence. A sentence mind you that was purely constructed to mock other's mistakes.

And before you come back at me, with your perverse and frankly, weird, hard-on for pointing out flaws, please understand that the above is entirely satire. I didn't mean to make you angry, simply to point out a humorous mistake. I enjoy reading your logical breaks of 40k. I enjoy your posts.

But you should bear your scarlet letter proudly. You were a grammatically incorrect grammar nazi. ANT ZIS IST NEIN A GAME!

I'm not really sure what you are getting at here; if this is meant to be joking or insulting or saying it's not a big deal (which is horsegak because it is, and that attitude is why it's allowed to continue)

Because you want it to be a big deal does not make it a big deal to everyone else. I personally could care less as I realize that people are going to make mistakes and there is no point in trying to crucify them for it. I deal with state laws on a regular basis that have typos in them. These are particularly bad because unlike GW they can't just issue a faq in a couple weeks. The state senate where I live only meets every two years and the issue may not even be brought up for discussion to be fixed if they are not bad enough. At the end of the day people are people and prone to mistakes. Could GW be better? Sure, things can always be better and I am sure they strive to always be better. But when you have deadlines that need to be met and limited resources mistakes will be made and there is not a damn thing you or anyone else can do about it no matter how hard you complain.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

pm713 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Death Guard is a whole can of worms when it comes to Characters and inconsistencies.

Why?

New characters got T5 and FNP.

Old characters are stuck at T4 and no FNP.

But then you don't have to price them with T5 and FNP.

...you do understand the problem here, right?

 H wrote:
Some days I really think we should, as a community, just make up our own rules for our models, as they likely can't be much worse overall.

Today is one of those days.

That actually happened with Warhammer Fantasy Battles. A group of players created The Ninth Age. It's a set of rules written and maintained by a community of wargamers. And, from what I can tell from a quick glance, development of this ruleset is still moving forward. To put the icing on the cake, all of the rules as well as the army books are completely free to download.

SG

 ServiceGames wrote:
That actually happened with Warhammer Fantasy Battles. A group of players created The Ninth Age. It's a set of rules written and maintained by a community of wargamers. And, from what I can tell from a quick glance, development of this ruleset is still moving forward. To put the icing on the cake, all of the rules as well as the army books are completely free to download.

SG

I know, I've been a member there for a couple years now, as I was out of the game for a number of years and was pretty big into Fantasy before (I have something like 7 armies or so).

They though, felt they had to change numerous things to avoid the chance that GW could enforce any IP claims on them though, so it is similar in nature, different in practice, really.

I really have no idea if one could legally post 40k home-brew rules here, for example. I think maybe, but I honestly don't know.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

...you do understand the problem here, right?

Yes - generic HQ entries that had points already got ported over as is. If DG were to get them in DG form they'd be much more points.

You want a T5 sorcerer with FNP? Pay 110.
Can't afford that? Pay 90 for T4 5++.

Doing something like making the generic sorcerer T5 with FNP doesn't actually solve any problems for DG.

Need reroll 1s? DP with FNP works.
Don't want to pay a lot for a back line baby sitter? Then use the Chaos Lord.

It's such a moot issue that I'm (mildly) surprised people are still complaining about it.

Whenever GW releases new rules I like to think that BCB has his signature pre-edited a few hours before release with an updated number of existing 8th edition 40k documents. As soon as the clock midnight he hits "Save" then immediately downloads the new pdf and sits at a desk lit by the light of his tablet, poring over the document. Maybe he prints it out and pins it on the wall amongst pages of other GW documents, some passages circled in red and linked to another similarly marked paragraph with a red string. A error pointed out in a hasty scrawl. Maybe he has a friend who studied english or law. He phones them up, they wearily answer the phone having been aroused from a comfortable sleep. "I THINK I FOUND A SEMI-COLON USED INCORRECTLY!" he exclaims before demanding a complete break-down on the correct usage in the context of the newly released sentence. His mouse hovers over the "New Topic" button...

 Sim-Life wrote:
Whenever GW releases new rules I like to think that BCB has his signature pre-edited a few hours before release with an updated number of existing 8th edition 40k documents. As soon as the clock midnight he hits "Save" then immediately downloads the new pdf and sits at a desk lit by the light of his tablet, poring over the document. Maybe he prints it out and pins it on the wall amongst pages of other GW documents, some passages circled in red and linked to another similarly marked paragraph with a red string. A error pointed out in a hasty scrawl. Maybe he has a friend who studied english or law. He phones them up, they wearily answer the phone having been aroused from a comfortable sleep. "I THINK I FOUND A SEMI-COLON USED INCORRECTLY!" he exclaims before demanding a complete break-down on the correct usage in the context of the newly released sentence. His mouse hovers over the "New Topic" button...

I'm not really sure what you're getting at here. Are you saying that BCB is obsessed with finding printing errors?

Darsath wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:
Whenever GW releases new rules I like to think that BCB has his signature pre-edited a few hours before release with an updated number of existing 8th edition 40k documents. As soon as the clock midnight he hits "Save" then immediately downloads the new pdf and sits at a desk lit by the light of his tablet, poring over the document. Maybe he prints it out and pins it on the wall amongst pages of other GW documents, some passages circled in red and linked to another similarly marked paragraph with a red string. A error pointed out in a hasty scrawl. Maybe he has a friend who studied english or law. He phones them up, they wearily answer the phone having been aroused from a comfortable sleep. "I THINK I FOUND A SEMI-COLON USED INCORRECTLY!" he exclaims before demanding a complete break-down on the correct usage in the context of the newly released sentence. His mouse hovers over the "New Topic" button...

I'm not really sure what you're getting at here. Are you saying that BCB is obsessed with finding printing errors?

Well, he is. Or seems to be. But he's not wrong in that this level of shoddy work from a company that is charging good money and claiming it's a luxury product is getting really annoying.

TS Cultists not losing their Legion benefit isn’t an issue though. It‘s not like they were ever in a position to use it.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

...you do understand the problem here, right?

Yes - generic HQ entries that had points already got ported over as is. If DG were to get them in DG form they'd be much more points.

You want a T5 sorcerer with FNP? Pay 110.
Can't afford that? Pay 90 for T4 5++.

Doing something like making the generic sorcerer T5 with FNP doesn't actually solve any problems for DG.

Need reroll 1s? DP with FNP works.
Don't want to pay a lot for a back line baby sitter? Then use the Chaos Lord.

It's such a moot issue that I'm (mildly) surprised people are still complaining about it.

Well the main concern is with Lords, Possessed, and so on. There's a giant inconsistency.
Sorcerers could just be removed because the entry is already there as the Plaguecaster.

Not Online!!! wrote:

Wayniac wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
As a founding member of POEM, Professional Organization of English Majors, I find it galling, simply so, that I have to tear myself away from the rich life we lead; of fancy sports cars, women, and expensive cigars, just to come down and instruct you how to properly craft a sentence. A sentence mind you that was purely constructed to mock other's mistakes.

And before you come back at me, with your perverse and frankly, weird, hard-on for pointing out flaws, please understand that the above is entirely satire. I didn't mean to make you angry, simply to point out a humorous mistake. I enjoy reading your logical breaks of 40k. I enjoy your posts.

But you should bear your scarlet letter proudly. You were a grammatically incorrect grammar nazi. ANT ZIS IST NEIN A GAME!

I'm not really sure what you are getting at here; if this is meant to be joking or insulting or saying it's not a big deal (which is horsegak because it is, and that attitude is why it's allowed to continue)

I belive it was a humorous jab at bcb, but overall he seems to agree with him.
Also @FezzikDaBullgryn, NICHT *, this is the grammar Gestapo speaking.

Overall, i emailed gw due to the daemonkin documment, that was missing pts. Answer in the next faq for the codex supposed to be fixed.

Make of that what you want.

I think one of the things that the modern world desperately needs is a good way to tell someone "I completely agree with the overall goal you have in mind, but I find your methods of achieving that goal to be annoying and ineffectual such that you are actively causing the average person to care less for your cause, just so they get to not share a side with you."

The "microagressions and PETA" of wishing GW would get better at rules writing, if you will.

+1 to the_scotsman, again. I often try to preface my posts with "I agree with your goal but...", and it doesn't work very well.

the_scotsman wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Wayniac wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
As a founding member of POEM, Professional Organization of English Majors, I find it galling, simply so, that I have to tear myself away from the rich life we lead; of fancy sports cars, women, and expensive cigars, just to come down and instruct you how to properly craft a sentence. A sentence mind you that was purely constructed to mock other's mistakes.

And before you come back at me, with your perverse and frankly, weird, hard-on for pointing out flaws, please understand that the above is entirely satire. I didn't mean to make you angry, simply to point out a humorous mistake. I enjoy reading your logical breaks of 40k. I enjoy your posts.

But you should bear your scarlet letter proudly. You were a grammatically incorrect grammar nazi. ANT ZIS IST NEIN A GAME!

I'm not really sure what you are getting at here; if this is meant to be joking or insulting or saying it's not a big deal (which is horsegak because it is, and that attitude is why it's allowed to continue)

I belive it was a humorous jab at bcb, but overall he seems to agree with him.
Also @FezzikDaBullgryn, NICHT *, this is the grammar Gestapo speaking.

Overall, i emailed gw due to the daemonkin documment, that was missing pts. Answer in the next faq for the codex supposed to be fixed.

Make of that what you want.

I think one of the things that the modern world desperately needs is a good way to tell someone "I completely agree with the overall goal you have in mind, but I find your methods of achieving that goal to be annoying and ineffectual such that you are actively causing the average person to care less for your cause, just so they get to not share a side with you."

The "microagressions and PETA" of wishing GW would get better at rules writing, if you will.

Except that your example of 'microagressions' is just as likely to make someone say your exact quote back to you.

The Salt Mine wrote:
Because you want it to be a big deal does not make it a big deal to everyone else. I personally could care less as I realize that people are going to make mistakes and there is no point in trying to crucify them for it. I deal with state laws on a regular basis that have typos in them. These are particularly bad because unlike GW they can't just issue a faq in a couple weeks. The state senate where I live only meets every two years and the issue may not even be brought up for discussion to be fixed if they are not bad enough. At the end of the day people are people and prone to mistakes. Could GW be better? Sure, things can always be better and I am sure they strive to always be better. But when you have deadlines that need to be met and limited resources mistakes will be made and there is not a damn thing you or anyone else can do about it no matter how hard you complain.

But the thing is, it doesn't feel like it's getting any better. Bacon's been bringing this up for months, and at first, I think I made the exact same argument as you. Mistakes are normal, and there isn't a publication in the world without them, and with the rate at which Games-Workshop have been turning out codices, one has to be even more lenient, but the problem now seems to be, as well as new mistakes, they're now repeating ones they've already fixed. It feels to me, that rather than improving their quality processes, they're actually getting worse! Don't get me wrong, I'm very much of the, "this is the best Games-Workshop we've ever had," school of thought, but they're really letting themselves down in this aspect.