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With the Imperium getting Primaris, actual active Costodes, and a Primarch back and Choas confirmed to be getting Primaris as well and also the Eldar getting Yinnai and Yvrian I think its due time the other factions got a similar game changing buff. Someone made a thread about the potential return of the Krork to buff the Orks. what other potential buff do you think the other factions could get to balance things out. Maybe the Tyranids get some cool new strain from endless war there having with Orks on that one planet. Maybe to Tau could get some super advanced AI. stuff like that.

Chaos is confirmed to be getting Primaris? where did you hear that cause... it proably ain't happening

BrianDavion wrote:
Chaos is confirmed to be getting Primaris? where did you hear that cause... it proably ain't happening

hmmm maybe there not. coulda sworn I read it somewhere but guess I was wrong. Still I think all the playable factions are due for a game changing buff

chimera0205 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Chaos is confirmed to be getting Primaris? where did you hear that cause... it proably ain't happening

hmmm maybe there not. coulda sworn I read it somewhere but guess I was wrong. Still I think all the playable factions are due for a game changing buff

why? the IoM is on the ropes, without Primaris Marines, the custodes going active etc, they mau have collapsed. the primaris etc aren't a "lol the IoM is rocking now" development. they're a "things are so dire only these new things have stopped a total collapse!"

BrianDavion wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Chaos is confirmed to be getting Primaris? where did you hear that cause... it proably ain't happening

hmmm maybe there not. coulda sworn I read it somewhere but guess I was wrong. Still I think all the playable factions are due for a game changing buff

why? the IoM is on the ropes, without Primaris Marines, the custodes going active etc, they mau have collapsed. the primaris etc aren't a "lol the IoM is rocking now" development. they're a "things are so dire only these new things have stopped a total collapse!"

forgot about the fething Primarch?

Chaos aren't getting Primaris. If they were going to get Primaris it would have happened this last month.

chimera0205 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Chaos is confirmed to be getting Primaris? where did you hear that cause... it proably ain't happening

hmmm maybe there not. coulda sworn I read it somewhere but guess I was wrong. Still I think all the playable factions are due for a game changing buff

why? the IoM is on the ropes, without Primaris Marines, the custodes going active etc, they mau have collapsed. the primaris etc aren't a "lol the IoM is rocking now" development. they're a "things are so dire only these new things have stopped a total collapse!"

forgot about the fething Primarch?

He's just one man. even Robvute Gulliman may very well NOT BE ENEUGH

BrianDavion wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Chaos is confirmed to be getting Primaris? where did you hear that cause... it proably ain't happening

hmmm maybe there not. coulda sworn I read it somewhere but guess I was wrong. Still I think all the playable factions are due for a game changing buff

why? the IoM is on the ropes, without Primaris Marines, the custodes going active etc, they mau have collapsed. the primaris etc aren't a "lol the IoM is rocking now" development. they're a "things are so dire only these new things have stopped a total collapse!"

forgot about the fething Primarch?

He's just one man. even Robvute Gulliman may very well NOT BE ENEUGH

you underestimate the power of one man. need I remind you that the Emperor was "just one man"

AM would get some reinforcements in the form of some new abhuman troops that had been cut off by warp storms.

chimera0205 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Chaos is confirmed to be getting Primaris? where did you hear that cause... it proably ain't happening

hmmm maybe there not. coulda sworn I read it somewhere but guess I was wrong. Still I think all the playable factions are due for a game changing buff

why? the IoM is on the ropes, without Primaris Marines, the custodes going active etc, they mau have collapsed. the primaris etc aren't a "lol the IoM is rocking now" development. they're a "things are so dire only these new things have stopped a total collapse!"

forgot about the fething Primarch?

He's just one man. even Robvute Gulliman may very well NOT BE ENEUGH

you underestimate the power of one man. need I remind you that the Emperor was "just one man"

people keep insisting RG's gonna somehow magicly save everything, except IT'S NOT HAPPENING.

The Eldar have a new God, they've got what they need. Chaos can get Primaris or Primarchs, whatever. It doesn't really make sense no Primaris are turning, anyway. That just leaves Necrons, Tyranids, Orks and Tau.

Necrons: I don't really know. Nothing springs to mind, before some elite Tombworld? I can't think of much.

Tyranids: Tyranids are naturally evolving, you can just give them any new variant of beastie as you please, lore-friendly and all.

Orks: The Beast novels talked about how as a horde gets bigger, it gets rapidly more organized. Ghazghkull's victories should be doing that, so give them some of the might they should have.

Tau: I think AI would be a cool way for them to go. A super-AI just takes over, and starts leading the Empire. That's room for some interesting development there, and it gives us the cold logic of a machine deciding what works for the Greater Good.

BrianDavion wrote:people keep insisting RG's gonna somehow magicly save everything, except IT'S NOT HAPPENING.

Pretty much.

Everyone saying how the Imperium is now super-mega-ultra-powerful is missing how they've lost half their territory, with massive losses across their entire military - if there weren't Primaris Marines, the Imperium would be one of the most "nerfed" factions in the setting. Literally EVERY faction is getting stronger and stronger, barring one - the T'au.

The Eldar are benefiting from the Imperium not being quite so aggressive against them (on account of Chaos being massively stronger) and from literally having one of their gods coming to save them. Harlequins largely benefit from the same.

Orks are getting stronger from Ghazghskull's massive Waaagh! and their stalemate with the Tyranids. More conflict is GOOD for the Orks - they don't need buffing.

Tyranids, like the Orks, benefit from the fighting, and given that more Imperial forces are concentrated down in the galactic south (what with, yanno, the galactic north being mostly cut off), that's quite literally their prey moving CLOSER to them. Tyranids are also getting "buffed" from more of their number entering the galactic plane.

Chaos? Daemon Primarchs, a massive Rift, devastating invasions of key Imperial positions (Plague Wars, Vigilus, Sangua Terra), overall cutting the galaxy in half.

Necrons, more tomb worlds awakening at an exponential rate, the return of the Silent King - I'd say they're doing fine.

T'au did get hit hard by the Damocles Gulf being set alight, the Great Rift, Tyranids, AND the Necron Sautehk Dynasty, but they also got access to a "stable" wormhole in the form of the Startide Nexus, which is deep in Imperial Space, and they liberated a lot of worlds. However, they're being hit hard by, guess who, Chaos. However, T'au, IMO, shouldn't be a large scale opponent to the Imperium, Orks, or any other faction. They're still expanding, and their military isn't large enough to conquer THAT much.

Dark Eldar largely got hit by Daemons entering Commoragh, but then, Vect also consoldiated his power base massively. I think Vect's actually doing just fine.

chimera0205 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Chaos is confirmed to be getting Primaris? where did you hear that cause... it proably ain't happening

hmmm maybe there not. coulda sworn I read it somewhere but guess I was wrong. Still I think all the playable factions are due for a game changing buff

why? the IoM is on the ropes, without Primaris Marines, the custodes going active etc, they mau have collapsed. the primaris etc aren't a "lol the IoM is rocking now" development. they're a "things are so dire only these new things have stopped a total collapse!"

forgot about the fething Primarch?

He's just one man. even Robvute Gulliman may very well NOT BE ENEUGH

you underestimate the power of one man. need I remind you that the Emperor was "just one man"

One god is not one man.

pm713 wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Chaos is confirmed to be getting Primaris? where did you hear that cause... it proably ain't happening

hmmm maybe there not. coulda sworn I read it somewhere but guess I was wrong. Still I think all the playable factions are due for a game changing buff

why? the IoM is on the ropes, without Primaris Marines, the custodes going active etc, they mau have collapsed. the primaris etc aren't a "lol the IoM is rocking now" development. they're a "things are so dire only these new things have stopped a total collapse!"

forgot about the fething Primarch?

He's just one man. even Robvute Gulliman may very well NOT BE ENEUGH

you underestimate the power of one man. need I remind you that the Emperor was "just one man"

One god is not one man.

except he's not a god, sure he's a superman but he's still a MAN. Gulliman is not omnipotent nor is he omnipresent. he'll certainly turn the tide of any battlefield he's part of, any campaign he leads, but the IoM is fighting thousands if not millions of battles and hundreds if not thousands of campaigns. Gulliman simply isn't eneugh

I meant chimera's point that the Emperor was just one man. The Emperor's always been more a god than a man.

I agree Guilliman is just a man. Well maybe a man and a half with the space magic he's made from.

The difference between omnipotence and omnipresence.

Tygre wrote:
The difference between omnipotence and omnipresence.

Sure and Gulliman is neither, he's neither all knowing (he actually made a pretty major mistake in the novel Dark Imperium) nor all present.

pm713 wrote:
I meant chimera's point that the Emperor was just one man. The Emperor's always been more a god than a man.

I agree Guilliman is just a man. Well maybe a man and a half with the space magic he's made from.

but Girlymans the emporers son. if big E is a god then Girlyman is a demi god.

chimera0205 wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I meant chimera's point that the Emperor was just one man. The Emperor's always been more a god than a man.

I agree Guilliman is just a man. Well maybe a man and a half with the space magic he's made from.

but Girlymans the emporers son. if big E is a god then Girlyman is a demi god.

Not really. Primarchs both lack the godly powers of the Emperor and aren't his children. They're as much his family as a potted plant.

 Solar-powered_chainsword wrote:
The Eldar have a new God, they've got what they need.

The Eldar have always "had" that God, as a potential endgame scenario. It's just that now, it's actually driving things, and his followers are now their "own faction" in a way. Eldrad, Wraith constructs, and Reapers have revered Ynead for a *long* time.

Chaos can get Primaris or Primarchs, whatever. It doesn't really make sense no Primaris are turning, anyway.

In at least one case, they simply just upstatted the unit (Havoks) without any change in fluff.

That just leaves Necrons, Tyranids, Orks and Tau.

Necrons: I don't really know. Nothing springs to mind, before some elite Tombworld? I can't think of much.

There are Crypteks, although a new form of basic troopers seems odd from a fluff perspective - but then, so do Primaris.

There's also Destroyers and the plague, Pariahs could actually be a thing, and Flayers could expands.

Tyranids: Tyranids are naturally evolving, you can just give them any new variant of beastie as you please, lore-friendly and all.

Lore-wise, Nids should consistently change over time. If anything, they need lore reasons why they *haven't* changed much.

Orks: The Beast novels talked about how as a horde gets bigger, it gets rapidly more organized. Ghazghkull's victories should be doing that, so give them some of the might they should have.

It won't happen, but I'd love it if they made Koruks be Noble Savage versions of Orkz. That could be really cool. Just wishlisting here, though.

That said, Biggah is betta! So, for Orkz, if you're looking for Primaris-like upgrades, you simply do bigger Orkz. It's already part of the fluff - they'd just flesh out variants of Nobz. Including guys between Nob size and Big Boss size.

Tau: I think AI would be a cool way for them to go. A super-AI just takes over, and starts leading the Empire. That's room for some interesting development there, and it gives us the cold logic of a machine deciding what works for the Greater Good.

I think an AI subtly attempting to establish control on the T'au empire would be a really cool story ark. Would give internal strife and advancements on both sides. While still being one faction.

I love your ideas.


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BrianDavion wrote:

Tygre wrote:
The difference between omnipotence and omnipresence.

Sure and Gulliman is neither, he's neither all knowing (he actually made a pretty major mistake in the novel Dark Imperium) nor all present.

For clarity:
Omnipotence - Can act everywhere
Omnipresence - Can be everywhere

And Omniscience - Know every thing (implied can observe everything)