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I was noticing that lately there haven't been any vehicle releases, with the exception of the buggies and similar cars in GSC and Orks.

This got me thinking, could they be moving away from vehicles and fliers for 40K? I mean, if you don't include the GSC and Ork release, when was the last time they put out an actual vehicle kit? Was it the Repulsor?

Could they be trying to move the game into the realm of an infantry game?

With the relatively recent love they gave to the Imperial knights, im pretty sure theyre not shying away from releasing vehicles.

Also your argument is invalid since there were vehicles present in most of the recent releases (CSM, GSC, Orks are the latest 3 and each of them got new vehicles)

 Togusa wrote:
I was noticing that lately there haven't been any vehicle releases, with the exception of the buggies and similar cars in GSC and Orks.

This got me thinking, could they be moving away from vehicles and fliers for 40K? I mean, if you don't include the GSC and Ork release, when was the last time they put out an actual vehicle kit? Was it the Repulsor?

Could they be trying to move the game into the realm of an infantry game?

....I mean, pretty much every major release has included at least one vehicle kit, so I'm not really sure what to tell you? Unless of course you're looking at like Daemons or Nids, which don't have vehicles, or you only count "vehicle" as "large box-shaped thing with wheels" and you don't consider things like battlesuits/walkers to be vehicles.

Since the start of 8th:

Primaris Marines: Repulsor and Redemptor Dread

Death Guard: Plagueburst Crawler, Blighthauler, bloat drone

Imperial Knights: They're all vehicles, so 4 new vehicle kits there.

GSC: Ridgerunner

Orks: That was what, five vehicle kits if you don't count the biker boss?

CSM: Lord Discordant and the new Daemon Engine Venom Thingy

If you ignore the most recent infantry releases for the game, I think you'll find its quite obvious that they are intending to make the game entirely vehicle and large model based, because of course all of the recent infantry releases are anomalies in this completely reasonable theory I've had.

Are any of these things you've all mentioned tanks or transports?

No, they're not.

I explicitly pointed out the exceptions in my original post.





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secretForge wrote:
If you ignore the most recent infantry releases for the game, I think you'll find its quite obvious that they are intending to make the game entirely vehicle and large model based, because of course all of the recent infantry releases are anomalies in this completely reasonable theory I've had.

I'm talking about things that transport infantry, or big honkin' tanks with big guns. The repulsor was the last of this class of vehicle they've produced, nearly two years ago.

I don't understand how GW determines what to sculpt. I mean look at the primaris LT situation.

Martel732 wrote:
I don't understand how GW determines what to sculpt. I mean look at the primaris LT situation.

That's easily explained actually, apparently when they where designing primaris Marines the Lt was something all their sculptors did a design for, as they attempted to hammer down the look, GW looked at the various prototypes and decidied they liked all of them eneugh to make all of them avaliable in some fashion or another. My source for this was my local GW manager when he and I where joking about the number of primaris Leuitenants.


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 Togusa wrote:
Are any of these things you've all mentioned tanks or transports?

No, they're not.

I explicitly pointed out the exceptions in my original post.





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secretForge wrote:
If you ignore the most recent infantry releases for the game, I think you'll find its quite obvious that they are intending to make the game entirely vehicle and large model based, because of course all of the recent infantry releases are anomalies in this completely reasonable theory I've had.

I'm talking about things that transport infantry, or big honkin' tanks with big guns. The repulsor was the last of this class of vehicle they've produced, nearly two years ago.

how many armies NEED transports? Custodes made due with land raiders, Death Guard and 1K sons with Rhinos and land raiders. So no need for new transports for them, the Admech where designed as a "walking army" (we might hate it but it explains titans etc) GSCs have a transport,

so yeah every army thats needed a transport has got one,

Now explain why very popular Eldar models are on 1990s sculpts.

Martel732 wrote:
Now explain why very popular Eldar models are on 1990s sculpts.

I can't. Hopefully that will change soon.


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BrianDavion wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
I don't understand how GW determines what to sculpt. I mean look at the primaris LT situation.

That's easily explained actually, apparently when they where designing primaris Marines the Lt was something all their sculptors did a design for, as they attempted to hammer down the look, GW looked at the various prototypes and decidied they liked all of them eneugh to make all of them avaliable in some fashion or another. My source for this was my local GW manager when he and I where joking about the number of primaris Leuitenants.


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 Togusa wrote:
Are any of these things you've all mentioned tanks or transports?

No, they're not.

I explicitly pointed out the exceptions in my original post.





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secretForge wrote:
If you ignore the most recent infantry releases for the game, I think you'll find its quite obvious that they are intending to make the game entirely vehicle and large model based, because of course all of the recent infantry releases are anomalies in this completely reasonable theory I've had.

I'm talking about things that transport infantry, or big honkin' tanks with big guns. The repulsor was the last of this class of vehicle they've produced, nearly two years ago.

how many armies NEED transports? Custodes made due with land raiders, Death Guard and 1K sons with Rhinos and land raiders. So no need for new transports for them, the Admech where designed as a "walking army" (we might hate it but it explains titans etc) GSCs have a transport,

so yeah every army thats needed a transport has got one,

It's hard to say, Ad Mech has nothing, Primaris have 1.

My issue isn't that it's a need. It's that in two years of new releases, we've seen 90% of them infantry or characters. That makes me suspect that they might be shying away from large tank/transport models due to the cost. The rules for transports are pretty bad in this edition already, almost no one ever even brings them. Most armies I saw in Vegas this year were footslogged. My local meta only has one guy who plays with any tanks, a guard player.

 Togusa wrote:
Are any of these things you've all mentioned tanks or transports?

No, they're not.

I explicitly pointed out the exceptions in my original post.





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secretForge wrote:
If you ignore the most recent infantry releases for the game, I think you'll find its quite obvious that they are intending to make the game entirely vehicle and large model based, because of course all of the recent infantry releases are anomalies in this completely reasonable theory I've had.

I'm talking about things that transport infantry, or big honkin' tanks with big guns. The repulsor was the last of this class of vehicle they've produced, nearly two years ago.

I think you just run into an issue of design space.

First, look at your definition of "Tank" - thing that transports infantry, or a big tank with guns.

I'm assuming you're including hover-tanks in this definition here, as well as "walker tanks" like the admech dunecrawler, but excluding "robo-suits" like tau battlesuits and CSM dinobots.

The only faction I can think of that actually does not already have either a main battle tank with guns or a troop transport but also does actually use those things is Admech, who does not have a non-FW transport.

I mean, look at the existing vehicle range for the most iconic "we use tanks" faction:

Chimera
Basilisk
Leman Russ (in two kits with a million options)
Wyvern
Hydra
Baneblade (with a million options)
Taurox (and prime)

We've seen from the last guard release that when GW tries to cram another vehicle into that incredibly densely-packed roster, they either have to make it SO GOOD you'd be crazy not to use it (wyvern) or people will soundly reject it as utterly irrelevant and redundant (taurox).

If you just try to throw something at the wall with no niche to accept it, it's going to be rejected. And at this point, the design space for "main battle tank/troop transport" is pretty full up for a lot of factions.

But where there is an opportunity, I think if anything GW actually overdoes it. GW wanted to replace the role of "fast, skirmishing non-transport vehicle" in the Ork codex and they did it with FIVE KITS.

GW wanted to give GSC fast, skirmishing units and so they gave them the ridgerunner which is almost completely identical to the Goliath Rockgrinder with the transport capacity and melee capabilities stripped away, at a smaller point cost. I bet you a million billion dollars that the ridgerunner is the worst-selling large plastic kit out of the GSC release, for that exact reason. It's not that it's bad, it's just that everything its' armed with you can get on either a Rockgrinder or a Sentinel, units that GSC already had, and its statline is also pretty much a mixture between the two (toughness and wounds of the sentinel, rugged trait from the rockgrinder).

We've reached a point where GW COULD consider the vehicle ranges for most factions complete, and instead of stopping or really slowing down, they keep cramming redundant options into the model range and trying to do weird artificial things to get people to buy them.

Oh, the new Primaris tank is pretty much redundant with the whole Space Marine arsenal? No problem fam we'll just make it the only thing that transports primaris marines. Oh, the new shooty knight kit is pretty much redundant with the existing Crusader build? We'll give it...character...sniping...missiles? Because "Snipers" was a role the imperial knight super-heavy army didn't have?

I don't know about you but I'm excited for the new release of the Space Marine Librari-tank that psychic buffs allies and shoots mortal wounds when they cram the librarians head into the gun barrel. And the new shiny Drukhari transport armed with TWO dark lances or TWO disintegrators that can fit seven models.

Martel732 wrote:
Now explain why very popular Eldar models are on 1990s sculpts.

Such as?

I guarantee you're misinformed on when they came out.

More thain an issue of design space, I see a deliberate decision in line with (for example) the rebranding of Imperial Guard as Astra Militarum.
Do something much less similar to existing historical model, less compatible due to the further disrespect of 28mm size, and more unique.

As other said, it's not that there are not "vehicles". But I dare you to find any recent model that is a "generic" evil guy/space monster etc.

Not a fan, to be honest, but ai understand the reasoning. In my opinion the biggest and most derivative war game of all times shouldn't be so afraid of competition... But I understand that in GW timeline there is a "before Chapterhouse" and "after Chapterhouse".

There was a time in which the GW miniatures were used for other games... and any war game to be successful needed to allow at least the use of classical (generic) GW faction in their games. Now to me, the idea is reversed: I use 3rd party for almost anything in GW games.

The only faction that needs a transport (but has many in fluff) is Admech. The only real choice for 40k Mech is the FW Termite, which is kinda expensive ($117). Granted it can also carry SM & CSM, but really how many people have all 3 factions(I do but not point)?

Macrocarids & Triaros while badass are very expensive and not currently "authorized" for 40k. I find it kinda weird that they dont use rhinos, every Imperial faction should have access to the venerable R-H-1-N-0! Since AdMech are the ones who build them.

Yeah, they build them as cheap-and-cheerful stuff for the Astartes and keep the good stuff for themselves.

 Grimtuff wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Now explain why very popular Eldar models are on 1990s sculpts.

Such as?

I guarantee you're misinformed on when they came out.

Maybe an exaggeration, but reapers are really old.

Reapers, at least the eldar type, are not vehicles. As to eldar vehicles I can tell you that the falcon was originally wedge shaped and made by epicast and armourcast both in the late 90s and early oughts.

http://theminiaturespage.com/showcase/28568/

Martel732 wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Now explain why very popular Eldar models are on 1990s sculpts.

Such as?

I guarantee you're misinformed on when they came out.

Maybe an exaggeration, but reapers are really old.

They are really not, but the current sculpts look a little bit like the ones from the 90s. They had two remakes since back then though.

Of the Eldar line, only the following sculpts are still from the 90s: Avatar, Phoenix Lords, Vyper Jetbike, Falcon, Warp Spiders.

Can people stop scaring me and saying GSC get Baneblades? You don't. And I will continue to be scared of seeing my GSC opponents at my local club whipping out a Stormlord until GW comes out and states an emphatic NO.

Seriously, I build my anti-GSC list around anti-infantry and light vehicles. Not Lords of War level tanks.

Well anybody who makes anti-X lists deserve good scares and anti-anti-lists thrown at it ;-)

The plagueburst mortar carrier was also a tank.

That said, while most of their vehicle releases have been little vehicles, like the buggies, ridgerunner, and venomcrawler, there have been a few tanks.


Also, Genestealer Cults can take a detachment of Brood Brothers, which can be a Supreme Command Detachment with a Baneblade in it, IIRC.

Vehicles tend to age better than infantry from an aesthetic perspective.

The cynic in me also wants to say that in the long-term people buy less vehicles compared to infantry squads, especially these days when 5-men for £25 is so prevalent.

I think the OP is squinting too hard to see what he wants to see. The only thing I can’t recall a recent release for since 6E has been flyers (last was the Interceptor variant of the Stormtalon?)

Though it shocks me the Eldar aspects are still in finecast and haven’t been rolled over to plastic.

Someday, the venerable Rhino and Leman Russ kits will be replaced by the next big thing.

Today is not that day.

 Stormonu wrote:
I think the OP is squinting too hard to see what he wants to see. The only thing I can’t recall a recent release for since 6E has been flyers (last was the Interceptor variant of the Stormtalon?)

Though it shocks me the Eldar aspects are still in finecast and haven’t been rolled over to plastic.

nah we got a flier since the stormhawk. the death watch flier, although yeah we've not gotten any new fliers this edition

 Togusa wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Now explain why very popular Eldar models are on 1990s sculpts.

I can't. Hopefully that will change soon.

Be careful what you wish for. My theory is that when GW get around to overhauling Aspect Warriors that they'll get the Primaris treatment. No direct replacement kits, all new units.

“These GW releases with vehicles in have vehicles and Knights I don’t think count as vehicles... Where are the vehicles GW?”

Not the greatest place to start a thread, tbh...

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Can people stop scaring me and saying GSC get Baneblades? You don't. And I will continue to be scared of seeing my GSC opponents at my local club whipping out a Stormlord until GW comes out and states an emphatic NO.

Seriously, I build my anti-GSC list around anti-infantry and light vehicles. Not Lords of War level tanks.

GW will not emphatically come out and say 'no' to BBs. That doesn't shift £90 kits.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
“These GW releases with vehicles in have vehicles and Knights I don’t think count as vehicles... Where are the vehicles GW?”

Not the greatest place to start a thread, tbh...

I said in the beginning that I was talking about transports. There Hasn't been a single release of a new transport since the Repulsor came out over two years ago. In addition I added tanks, as in real Main Battle Tanks to the list. I then noted that 80% or more of the model releases since that time have been some sort of infantry models.
I'm not talking about knights.
I'm not talking about dreadnoughts.
I'm not talking about little pew pew cars.

I 'm talking about transports and battle tanks. Primaris still do not have a Rhino replacement, that sort of thing.

edited by ingtaer, please do not post all in caps.

 Stormonu wrote:
I think the OP is squinting too hard to see what he wants to see. The only thing I can’t recall a recent release for since 6E has been flyers (last was the Interceptor variant of the Stormtalon?)

Though it shocks me the Eldar aspects are still in finecast and haven’t been rolled over to plastic.

No releases since 6e? Don't forget the entire Dark Eldar range. 8 years since our last release, still better than the previous drought!

Togusa wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
“These GW releases with vehicles in have vehicles and Knights I don’t think count as vehicles... Where are the vehicles GW?”

Not the greatest place to start a thread, tbh...

I said in the beginning that I was talking about transports. There Hasn't been a single release of a new transport since the Repulsor came out over two years ago. In addition I added tanks, as in real Main Battle Tanks to the list. I then noted that 80% or more of the model releases since that time have been some sort of infantry models.
I'm not talking about knights.
I'm not talking about dreadnoughts.
I'm not talking about little pew pew cars.

I 'm talking about transports and battle tanks. Primaris still do not have a Rhino replacement, that sort of thing.

No you didn't. Your OP:

Togusa wrote:I was noticing that lately there haven't been any vehicle releases, with the exception of the buggies and similar cars in GSC and Orks.

This got me thinking, could they be moving away from vehicles and fliers for 40K? I mean, if you don't include the GSC and Ork release, when was the last time they put out an actual vehicle kit? Was it the Repulsor?

Could they be trying to move the game into the realm of an infantry game?

You might have clarified a few posts later, but that would easily be missed. Learn to edit.

If your gonna fly off the handle at people, at least be correct.