Chaos Keywords

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**drakerocket**

Is it legal to include a chaos allegiance keyword (khorne/slaanesh/nurgle/tzeench) as the common keyword?

So, for example, can you have a slaanesh marked lord discordant, a herald of slaanesh and a keeper of secrets in the same supreme command detachment?

Same question but for Daemon as the keyword.

**Captyn_Bob**

drakerocket wrote:
Is it legal to include a chaos allegiance keyword (khorne/slaanesh/nurgle/tzeench) as the common keyword?

So, for example, can you have a slaanesh marked lord discordant, a herald of slaanesh and a keeper of secrets in the same supreme command detachment?

Same question but for Daemon as the keyword.

Yes, absolutely. You can have a Slaanesh detachment with all the Slaanesh stuff you want in it.

Daemon, whilst technically yes, only the daemon codex has daemon as a faction keyword (There have been others with it as a mistake, but these have all been FAQd), so in practice no.

Usual caveats of detachments that are not codex keyworded will not gain the codex faction traits or unlock codex stratagems.

**BaconCatBug**

It is legal as long as it's the same keyword, due to the designers commentary. <ALLEGIANCE> SLAANESH is not the same as <MARK OF CHAOS> SLAANESH.

**Stux**

And this is where I will point out to the OP that interpretation of this is a contentious issue that divides opinion. As always, talk to your opponent if you are worried about it being an issue.

I happen to agree with BCB here though.

**alextroy**

There is a long winded thread out here somewhere debating whether the Codex restricted choices for <ALLEGIANCE> and <MARK OF CHAOS>, which happen to be exactly the same, are different or the same Faction.

However, once the game has started, Khorne, Slaanesh, Nurgle, and Tzeentch are the same for gameplay purposes per the Designer's Commentary regardless of how you came to have the keyword:

Q: What is the difference between a keyword and a Faction keyword?
A: The only real difference is that Faction keywords are used when building an army; when Battle-forging an army, for instance, you will often only be able to include units in the same detachment if they share the same Faction keyword. Also, if you are playing a matched play game, you will need to have an Army Faction – this is a Faction keyword that is shared by all of the units
in your entire army (with the exception of those that are Unaligned). Once the battle has begun, there is no functional difference between a keyword and a Faction keyword.

For example, when creating a Battle-forged army for matched play, I take two Patrol Detachments; the first contains only units with the Heretic Astartes Faction keyword, and the second contains only units with the Daemon Faction keyword. My Army Faction is ‘Chaos’ because this is a Faction keyword every unit in the entire army shares.

Once the battle has begun, the distinction between keywords and Faction keywords no longer has any effect – both are used to interact with abilities identically. Imagine, then, that the Heretic Astartes Detachment contains a unit of Possessed (which does not have the Daemon Faction keyword, but does have the Daemon keyword), and I choose for them to replace their <Mark of Chaos> keyword with Khorne. If the Daemon Detachment contained a Herald of Khorne, his ability to ‘add 1 to the Strength characteristic of all Khorne Daemons’ would also apply to the unit of Possessed, as they have both the Khorne and Daemon keywords.

**JohnnyHell**

BaconCatBug wrote:
It is legal as long as it's the same keyword, due to the designers commentary. <ALLEGIANCE> SLAANESH is not the same as <MARK OF CHAOS> SLAANESH.

Shan’t rehash, but there are several other lengthy threads where we’ve explained to you why you’re wrong here.