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 Lance845 wrote:
Its also become a bloated mess of documents, books, faq errata, and community articles thats frankly near impossible to keep up with and daunting as smurf for anyone joining now.

It could use a better structured and higher quality clean slate.

I think 8th will last exactly as long as it takes for them to release enough primaris units to build a whole primaris codex. And then its done.

I started this hobby in 2015, so I wasn't around before 7th Edition. But, I know that 7th edition wasn't much better (if not worse) when it came to being a bloated mess of documents, books, faq, errata, etc.

SG

All three Eldar factions need some love.
They have all got feck all in the last few years.

Craftworlds are the worst. They badly need new models for Aspect Warriors and Phoenix Lords. The army is so out of date its silly.

Dark Eldar fair slightly better but badly need new models for at least Incubi, Grotesques and Mandrakes.

Harlequins are in the best state but have very few models. They could do with another infantry unit (mimes?) and a special character.

 Argive wrote:

 Brother Castor wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
9th ed. Squat regular marines. Primarus everything.

Ain't gonna happen (squatting players' armies of the most popular faction for the last 30 years and the current contents of the SM start collecting box).

Wow... people still refuse to see it coming huh...

I'm not sure why some people seem to delight in the idea that a lot of people's armies might be squatted. If GW are going to do it and risk alienating a lot of people, I still think they would need to stop selling the models first.

Hrud, Arbites, etc etc

While 40K can live without Dark Eldar, Necrons and Tau, it certainly cannot live without the big three races; Space Marines, Orks and Eldar. Its been that way since the early 90s where those three are the most recognisable characters of the 40K universe, and the Eldar definitely need an overhaul.

Seriously, they still have models in the Eldar range from at least as far back as 1998.

Inquisition codex, new Xenos faction, new DE characters (Vect?), plastic aspect warriors, and what not.

AdMech book redux, rules for Peltasts and Hoplites with <Forge World> keywords, and a Skitarii HQ.

I would be thrilled if GW released a new, balanced, ambiguity-free, tactics and decision-based ruleset. Paints in dropper bottles. And dramatically reduced prices.

A R&H codex which is worth a damn and new minis based on the BSF sculpts.

Emporer's Children codex and minis

World Eaters codex and minis

An updated Crimson Slaughter supplement - I liked the previous one

Hmm... If they could find a way to release rules that doesn't turn armies into a mess of using many books, it would be a start...

In terms of models, I'd be happy with 40k primarchs, but happiest if they make a proper Fulgrim... I don't care if he's any good or not, I just want to build and paint the guy...

 ChaosDad wrote:
Hmm... If they could find a way to release rules that doesn't turn armies into a mess of using many books, it would be a start...

A thin, staple bound rulebook with just the rules that can be re-issued regularly as rules get updated and clarified. Lightweight, lays flat when opened, and cheap enough to be essentially disposable. I believe 40k had a promotional rules set released when 8th came out in this format, it should be standard and included in every Start Collecting or bigger box set.

AoS style warscrolls that can be updated online as needed, so you can print out the units you need on a few sheets of paper rather than lugging the whole codex around.

Those two things would allow you to keep everything needed for play in a folder weighing less than a codex - you should only need the big rulebook and codexes for army construction.

 Brother Castor wrote:

 Argive wrote:

 Brother Castor wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
9th ed. Squat regular marines. Primarus everything.

Ain't gonna happen (squatting players' armies of the most popular faction for the last 30 years and the current contents of the SM start collecting box).

Wow... people still refuse to see it coming huh...

I'm not sure why some people seem to delight in the idea that a lot of people's armies might be squatted. If GW are going to do it and risk alienating a lot of people, I still think they would need to stop selling the models first.

I'm not delighting in anything. Why are you saying that?? Anybody that does not have a vested interest in old marines can see it happening because its extremely unlikely that it wont happen. It's just being reslistic, I dont have a horse in the race. I think its great they are doing it slowly and not just WHFB it overnight. I think its a shame because it means more power armour primaris to update the range and less cool aliens.

But it doesnt change the fact there is no old marines updates or models. I'm just blown away by denial in light of overhelming circuimstantial evidence.

The armies I like to not be enhancement talent there to make my opponent look good.

Lore wise, return the Loyalist primarchs and kick the Demon Primarchs out of the eye of terror. Each builds a small empire and proceeds to explain they are the actual successor to the Imperium.

The Emperor loses dies is reborn, saves earth with dues ex machina, sets up a new force of GK, Custodes and Solar Auxilia to take the Emprire, from all those worthless sons of his.

The eye of Terror now almost nothing but Demons turning into a giant ball of fighting between Nids, Orks and Demons. Basically a 3 .. or 7 way stalemate. Waghs, Tendril Fleets, and Crusades issue out to cause others problems.

Eldar Ynnari goes into along term stale mate with Slanessh Neither wins, neither loses, builds some small empires, hates each other. Tau and Necrons. Who cares.

Ohh and 9 is released, and Adeptus Titanicus brought back to full Glory by introing Orks, Eldar, Nids, Tau, and Tanks, remains infantryless.

 Brother Castor wrote:

 Argive wrote:

 Brother Castor wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
9th ed. Squat regular marines. Primarus everything.

Ain't gonna happen (squatting players' armies of the most popular faction for the last 30 years and the current contents of the SM start collecting box).

Wow... people still refuse to see it coming huh...

I'm not sure why some people seem to delight in the idea that a lot of people's armies might be squatted. If GW are going to do it and risk alienating a lot of people, I still think they would need to stop selling the models first.

They dont need to do it first. They just need to do it at the same time.

Its not delight in your loss. Its delight in the cleaning up and refinement of a codex that has so many damn units and options that the army suffers for being directionless with so many units having no clear purpose. Primaris units have VERY clear purpose and when you strip away all the regular sm stuff they start looking like a more and more cohesive army.

Karol wrote:
Primaris Grey Knights or a new Grey Knight codex.

Seconded. Much as I am loathe to say it, at least rules-wise if not model wise...what 40k needs most right now is...morespacemarinecontent UGH. BLUGH.

UGH I said it. Are you happy? As a terminally outraged special snowflake faction player, there is a phenomenally massive amount of the 40k fandom tied up in space marines and space marine accessories, and their rules have been aggressively mediocre to dog gak all edition.

especially the grey knights, who provide the appeal of the "all psyker faction" basically horribly compared to Eldar and Thousand Sons, and have consistently terrible tournament performance.

A ground-up all marines rework is needed.

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You know what you could do at this point.

Is put them in one big, mega-huge, super duper codex like an Index Imperium 1 with all the shared stuff in it and all the relics, WL traits, chapter traits, etc for all the different marine factions there in that one book.

That way, you could balance them all together instead of dragging out allllllll the different marine codexes in a bloated mess, and nobody would get stuck with Vindicators being horrible because we've printed the rules for Vindicators in every marine codex and we can't just change it now.)

The continued reduction of metal/resin/finecast kits with plastic kit replacements. This until nearly all of GW catalog is plastic.

Specifically, I think Eldar should get something similar to what Chaos Space Marines got early this year.

Pariahs.
Proper necron tanks.

Sisters of Battle

World Eaters

Emperor's Children

Plastic Incubi, and more incubi related units like a lord, chariot, Lord of War.

Plastic Eldar Aspect Warriors

And last but not least, a new edition because 8th sucks.

 Argive wrote:

 Brother Castor wrote:

 Argive wrote:

 Brother Castor wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
9th ed. Squat regular marines. Primarus everything.

Ain't gonna happen (squatting players' armies of the most popular faction for the last 30 years and the current contents of the SM start collecting box).

Wow... people still refuse to see it coming huh...

I'm not sure why some people seem to delight in the idea that a lot of people's armies might be squatted. If GW are going to do it and risk alienating a lot of people, I still think they would need to stop selling the models first.

I'm not delighting in anything. Why are you saying that?

My comment wasn't really aimed at you. Lance845 has since explained why he wants to see regular marines squatted. I personally wouldn't make my wish for the next year to see other people's armies squatted, but I guess he's entitled to his opinion.

Frankly theres no reason to do another edition yet. 8th edition is the best the game has ever had, and all we need are a consolidation.

They need to release a new BRB this Christmas, in digital format with all the FAQ and errata updates included. Call it 8.5 if you must.

They should at this point also re-release all the codex's in digital form with their updates, along with any new models released for those factions (uncluding beta rules and such). These codex's should auto-update with any pertinent changes and be available for IOS and android. They should also include any changes in points cost that come out of Chapter approved forever.

After this 8.5 update i'd like to see all the current planned primis releases out, along with a major rebalancing of the way CP is handled and stratagems (fixed CP based on PL or points limits). Armies that have fallen behind (due to powercreep) need updates.

Models that have not been updated for 10 years also need new releases to keep in line with the quality of the new stuff. They charge far too much to be using 11-20 year old models still.

 Argive wrote:

 Brother Castor wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
9th ed. Squat regular marines. Primarus everything.

Ain't gonna happen (squatting players' armies of the most popular faction for the last 30 years and the current contents of the SM start collecting box).

Wow... people still refuse to see it coming huh...

There will never be a "poof" your army has no rules and is "illegal" ever again after AoS

I do think that there will be a soft squat where units become unplayable. It'll happen with marines and slowly most likely every faction

I play Craftworlds, Dark Eldar, Harlequins and Tyranids. None of these factions have had a model release of any note since May 2015, 4 years ago. It would be nice to see something more than just a character.

Let's see how it goes first; but man am I excited for that 7" Bandai Space marine... gimme some marks of armour/legion choices, and some wider 40k universe figs any day... have always loved making stop-motion animations, and if these are as articulated and versatile as they look I could see myself making a series on youtube akin to TSOALR...

Upgrade all old space marines to Primaris (+1 wound, +1 attack), increase point cost as needed.

All Primaris permitted to use all old vehicles.

 argonak wrote:
Upgrade all old space marines to Primaris (+1 wound, +1 attack), increase point cost as needed.

All Primaris permitted to use all old vehicles.

This would be useful.

Fix the dammed Monolith!
Bring it back to the 234 point awesome it was in 3rd!

Remove at least one power armor army from the game.

1. Emperor's Children codex and model release.

2. A sweet Imperial Guard cavalry kit, or kits. Rough riders with variant build. Light cav, medium cav, heavy cav. Lancers, dragoons, skirmishers, etc. Mounted HQs, elites, troops, and fast attack options.

3. If option 2 doesn't happen, give me 40 huey's for air cav that hold...11 guys?, and up the valkyries carrying capacity to 20.

A 16-page Core Rules replacement that incorporates all the Errata, clears up any existing rules issues (just check our rules curmudgeon for things that need fixing), and includes updated Cover rules, including rules for all basic terrain types.

Plastic Sisters of Battle in 2019!