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The old blue ink is still a staple in how I paint my Ultras. The modern glaze was close, but not quite the same.

I'm not too worried if they are losing the glazes. I use them quite a bit but I was happy with what I saw of using the contrast paints as glazes at WHF.

It's unfortunate, but I'm not surprised about the spray cans.

GW's spray can game has always been just one massive middle-finger to their customer base.

Do we know if the likes of "Grey Knights Steel", "Mordant Earth" and so on, are new paints or just relabels of the current range?

Wouldn't surprise me if it was the latter since quite a few paint names are references to """The-World-That-Was"""

 nurgle5 wrote:
Do we know if the likes of "Grey Knights Steel", "Mordant Earth" and so on, are new paints or just relabels of the current range?

Wouldn't surprise me if it was the latter since quite a few paint names are references to """The-World-That-Was"""

They're the Forge World paints...

 Ghaz wrote:

They're the Forge World paints...

Well, I feel silly

Thanks for the info!

Out of interest, has anyone here tried using the FW paints and/or GW's Air range with a regular brush? I like the Vallejo Air paints with brush painting, but I've never had occasion to try the GW versions. I'd love to get that Valdor Gold, but not if the coverage is rubbish or something.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Is it worth picking up the glaze paints before they disappear? I've never used them.

Hyped for the FW colours and clear paints, gimme gimme.

No. I used them and from what I've seen Contrast Paints Thinned with the new Contrast medium makes really good glazes, but now you got 34 colours.

The only uses I found for them was glow effects on plasma guns, and useing the red to tint copper/Bronze metals to look more red. In regards to tinting metals, the new contrast paints are much better then the old glazes.

As someone who used them, I'm not going to miss them TBH.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Out of interest, has anyone here tried using the FW paints and/or GW's Air range with a regular brush? I like the Vallejo Air paints with brush painting, but I've never had occasion to try the GW versions. I'd love to get that Valdor Gold, but not if the coverage is rubbish or something.

GW's airbrush paints are not nearly as good as vallejo air for brushing on. They do really well through an airbrush but I would never brush them.

So, does anyone have any good suggestions on replacements for glazes?

Because my Aurora Chapter army requires a Lamenters Yellow glaze to get the green just right. :/

 Lockark wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Is it worth picking up the glaze paints before they disappear? I've never used them.

Hyped for the FW colours and clear paints, gimme gimme.

No. I used them and from what I've seen Contrast Paints Thinned with the new Contrast medium makes really good glazes, but now you got 34 colours.

The only uses I found for them was glow effects on plasma guns, and useing the red to tint copper/Bronze metals to look more red. In regards to tinting metals, the new contrast paints are much better then the old glazes.

As someone who used them, I'm not going to miss them TBH.

From the examples the thinned contrast paints act like well...thinned contrast paints. It means that the colours are more pronounced in the recesses and the lower areas being glazed. That's not really the point of a glaze which is to tint the whole colour painted area equally. That's not to say that thinned contrast paints don't have their own uses. However, glazes they do not appear to be. And you generally don't need lots of glazes because they are about a slow build up of a tint to the underneath paint scheme. Hence you tend not to need a huge range as the base colours are what generates the primary colour. Glazes are there to add a bit of subtlety that the base paints can't provide.

There are some other glazes around or you can dilute down some inks from certain companies (scalecolor inks for example).

Happy to see Air isn't going away. I didn't see it listed on the new Citadel Colour site and got worried. I was about to mass order Macgragge Blue and Leadbelcher Air just to have plenty on hand. Not that I couldn't mix my own with airbrush thinner, but when I'm doing up a bunch of Ultras or whatever I really like the convenience of the pre-thinnned paint.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Out of interest, has anyone here tried using the FW paints and/or GW's Air range with a regular brush? I like the Vallejo Air paints with brush painting, but I've never had occasion to try the GW versions. I'd love to get that Valdor Gold, but not if the coverage is rubbish or something.

I use a few of the GW air paints for base coats(black, Mephistan Red, Steel Legion Drab), i like them as they are pre "watered down" and a constant mix unlike "watering down" the base paint myself, it does take at least 3 coverings to get a nice base

Kawauso wrote:So, does anyone have any good suggestions on replacements for glazes?

Because my Aurora Chapter army requires a Lamenters Yellow glaze to get the green just right. :/

Reaper Master Series 09095 Clear Yellow is probably the closest pre made product. It's not a perfect match so you'll have to experiment, but depending on how strong the green is, it might just work straight out of the bottle.

 Kawauso wrote:
So, does anyone have any good suggestions on replacements for glazes?

Because my Aurora Chapter army requires a Lamenters Yellow glaze to get the green just right. :/

It's been mentioned a couple of times by other people but GW is instructing people to use the new contrast paint thinned with contrast medium as a replacement for glaze.

So you could always try one o the brighter yellow contrasts paints (maybe Iyanden Yellow) on a test model and see how it goes.
If you have a GW store near you they might even have a contrast demo when the paints first release so if you bring some test pieces prepainted with your green color then you could maybe even try using the contrast yellow for free. (I can't speak to what your local store is like but the one where I used to live would routinely do this during the first week of technical paint releases to demonstrate the product)

It would also be a good idea to try the contrast paints with lahmia medium or any glazing medium of your choice. I bet that will remove some of the settling in the dark aspects of the paint while still staying bright and transparent.

I use gullimans blue to get a blue steel look on some dystopian wars miniatures. I'll need to stock up on a couple of pots.

I've also used the yellow and a look of mini's to help blend layers together. Works well on reds and greens.

Thanks for the pointers on yellow glaze, peeps.

I just can't say that I'm all that enthusiastic about the notion of having to fiddle around after having a formula that was serving me well. :/

 oni wrote:
It's unfortunate, but I'm not surprised about the spray cans.

GW's spray can game has always been just one massive middle-finger to their customer base.

Frankly, most of them can piss right off. They're temperamental at the best of times with some of these colors--and at least one of the listed sprays(Stormvermin Fur) has been gone for years here in the US. It was labeled as "Scenery Paint" and came out with the big sets of paint for painting boards. Went away two years ago at least.

Rhinox Hide has come/gone, it was also supposedly problematic as it would gunk up models at times.

 Kawauso wrote:
So, does anyone have any good suggestions on replacements for glazes?

Because my Aurora Chapter army requires a Lamenters Yellow glaze to get the green just right. :/

My advice would be to get out there and buy 6 pots of the Lamenters yellow glaze now while you still can. Or maybe 10.

 Azazelx wrote:

 Kawauso wrote:
So, does anyone have any good suggestions on replacements for glazes?

Because my Aurora Chapter army requires a Lamenters Yellow glaze to get the green just right. :/

My advice would be to get out there and buy 6 pots of the Lamenters yellow glaze now while you still can. Or maybe 10.

pfft you thunk too small, buy 37! why that number? why not!

BTW I also ehard speculation from my local GW owner that some of these paints may simply be going direct order only.

BrianDavion wrote:
BTW I also ehard speculation from my local GW owner that some of these paints may simply be going direct order only.

Doubtful for the glaze paints, since Citadel Colour tells you to use thinned Contrast paints for glazing instead of purchasing a 'Direct Only' glaze.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Out of interest, has anyone here tried using the FW paints and/or GW's Air range with a regular brush? I like the Vallejo Air paints with brush painting, but I've never had occasion to try the GW versions. I'd love to get that Valdor Gold, but not if the coverage is rubbish or something.

Did not try any of GW's. Castellax Bronze, Word Bearers Red, Iron Hands Steel work pretty well with brush. Thallax Gold, Fulgrim Pinks - not so much.

 Ghaz wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
BTW I also ehard speculation from my local GW owner that some of these paints may simply be going direct order only.

Doubtful for the glaze paints, since Citadel Colour tells you to use thinned Contrast paints for glazing instead of purchasing a 'Direct Only' glaze.

yeah I don't think he was talking about the glazes. he mentioned something about some washes and technical paints though.

 Whirlwind wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Is it worth picking up the glaze paints before they disappear? I've never used them.

Hyped for the FW colours and clear paints, gimme gimme.

No. I used them and from what I've seen Contrast Paints Thinned with the new Contrast medium makes really good glazes, but now you got 34 colours.

The only uses I found for them was glow effects on plasma guns, and useing the red to tint copper/Bronze metals to look more red. In regards to tinting metals, the new contrast paints are much better then the old glazes.

As someone who used them, I'm not going to miss them TBH.

From the examples the thinned contrast paints act like well...thinned contrast paints. It means that the colours are more pronounced in the recesses and the lower areas being glazed. That's not really the point of a glaze which is to tint the whole colour painted area equally. That's not to say that thinned contrast paints don't have their own uses. However, glazes they do not appear to be. And you generally don't need lots of glazes because they are about a slow build up of a tint to the underneath paint scheme. Hence you tend not to need a huge range as the base colours are what generates the primary colour. Glazes are there to add a bit of subtlety that the base paints can't provide.

There are some other glazes around or you can dilute down some inks from certain companies (scalecolor inks for example).

In the Pete the Wargamer video were he thinned one of the contrast paints down, It is very glaze-Like. I think the Contrast properties gives a better effect then the pre-made glazes did for tinting a surface


Dose it replace mixing glaze medium and a normal paint to make your own glaze? TBH I would say no. But I think it's a equal alternative based on the effect your looking for.

I think a glaze you mix yourself or this contrast "glazing" gives a better effect then the premade GW glazes. But I can understand how this is all abit subjective.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 oni wrote:
It's unfortunate, but I'm not surprised about the spray cans.

GW's spray can game has always been just one massive middle-finger to their customer base.

Frankly, most of them can piss right off. They're temperamental at the best of times with some of these colors--and at least one of the listed sprays(Stormvermin Fur) has been gone for years here in the US. It was labeled as "Scenery Paint" and came out with the big sets of paint for painting boards. Went away two years ago at least.

Rhinox Hide has come/gone, it was also supposedly problematic as it would gunk up models at times.

The Rhinox Hide spray could leave that weird fuzzy residue that Corax White spray, it was pretty horrible!

I was super disappointed when the Mournfang spray disappeared (for the second time lol), since I used that to undercoat everything, but I've been having a much better time painting since swapping to Zandri Dust and I'm really looking forward to the Wraithbone spray.

I wouldn't be bothered with any of the other colour sprays since they don't even seem to match the base paints they share their names with

 Yodhrin wrote:
Out of interest, has anyone here tried using the FW paints and/or GW's Air range with a regular brush? I like the Vallejo Air paints with brush painting, but I've never had occasion to try the GW versions. I'd love to get that Valdor Gold, but not if the coverage is rubbish or something.

I found the GW air paints to be usable with a brush, but it varied from colour to colour. Likewise goes for using them in an airbrush. Some are fine, some need thinning.

As for the FW ones. I can only comment on the clear paints. You can use them with a brush for very small details like eye lenses etc, but, anything bigger or flatter like a marine shoulder pad, then you're looking at a lot of time and effort if you use a brush if you want to build up the colour.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
BTW I also ehard speculation from my local GW owner that some of these paints may simply be going direct order only.

Doubtful for the glaze paints, since Citadel Colour tells you to use thinned Contrast paints for glazing instead of purchasing a 'Direct Only' glaze.

yeah I don't think he was talking about the glazes. he mentioned something about some washes and technical paints though.

The only items rumored at being removed other than the glazes are some of the sprays and the Texture paints still in 12ml pots. We've not heard anything about the washes AFAIK.

 Ghaz wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
BTW I also ehard speculation from my local GW owner that some of these paints may simply be going direct order only.

Doubtful for the glaze paints, since Citadel Colour tells you to use thinned Contrast paints for glazing instead of purchasing a 'Direct Only' glaze.

yeah I don't think he was talking about the glazes. he mentioned something about some washes and technical paints though.

The only items rumored at being removed other than the glazes are some of the sprays and the Texture paints still in 12ml pots. We've not heard anything about the washes AFAIK.

yuo neither did I, but is worth making note of,

BoW's Warren giving it one really thick coat, and showing what an inexperienced painter can do with the new stuff

from the look of it the consistency of the new media looks pretty different (more like nurgles rot technical with a lot more pigment than paint),

and probably not as easy to play with as i'd hoped although perfect for bashing out simple 'get stuff on the table' paintschemes and with push the colours together wet blending made simple