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2019/05/29 16:23:33
Subject: [2000] - Night Lords Blitzkrieg
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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Battalion Detachment
HQ:
Lord in Terminator armor- Heavy Flamer
Exalted Champion- Chain axe
Troops:
4x Chaos Marines bolt pistol/chainsword
1x aspiring champion bolt pistol/chainsword
4x Chaos Marines bolt pistol/chainsword
1x aspiring champion bolt pistol/chainsword
4x Chaos Marines bolt pistol/chainsword
1x aspiring champion bolt pistol/chainsword
4x Chaos Marines bolt pistol/chainsword
1x aspiring champion bolt pistol/chainsword
Fast Attack:
3x raptors bolt pistol chainsword
1x Raptor Melta
1x Raptor Champion Bolt Pistol chainsword
3x raptors bolt pistol chainsword
1x Raptor Melta
1x Raptor Champion Bolt Pistol chainsword
Heavy Support:
3x Chaos Predator- Twin Lascannon. Combi-flamer
Dedicated Transport:
4x Chaos Rhinos
Outrider Detachment:
HQ:
Chaos Lord- Jump Pack, Claws of the Black Hunt, Night Haunter's Curse (Warlord)
Elite:
4x Terminators- Power Axe Combi Bolter
1x Terminator Champion Power axe Combie Bolter
Fast Attack:
3x raptors bolt pistol chainsword
1x Raptor Melta
1x Raptor Champion Bolt Pistol chainsword
3x raptors bolt pistol chainsword
1x Raptor Melta
1x Raptor Champion Bolt Pistol chainsword
3x raptors bolt pistol chainsword
1x Raptor Melta
1x Raptor Champion Bolt Pistol chainsword
Total- 1,997
Strategy here is simply abuse the auras, rush infantry blobs, park MSUs on objectives, and Melta Spam to deal with armor.
The fear overlap is VERY powerful and can make a raptor charge absolutely DEVASTATING
The only problem I perceive is that I have 0 staying power on the field if I lose momentum and can't adequately spam.
Thoughts?
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Thought for the day: It is better to die for the Emperor than to live for yourself
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2019/05/29 16:52:14
Subject: [2000] - Night Lords Blitzkrieg
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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Well, against a very shooty army your army could struggle.
Then have to focus on the objectives using as much cover as possible.
A quite good list if you ask me.
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2019/05/29 18:32:10
Subject: [2000] - Night Lords Blitzkrieg
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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 wuestenfux wrote:Well, against a very shooty army your army could struggle.
Then have to focus on the objectives using as much cover as possible.
A quite good list if you ask me.
Hey thanks I appreciate that.
I wanted to put more bodies on the board, but I felt like terminators would just be more important if I needed a late game objective.
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Thought for the day: It is better to die for the Emperor than to live for yourself
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2019/05/29 20:16:31
Subject: [2000] - Night Lords Blitzkrieg
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Nurgle Chosen Marine on a Palanquin
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5 units of raptors violates the rule of 3.
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2019/05/29 23:15:13
Subject: [2000] - Night Lords Blitzkrieg
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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Good call!
I'll have to do some math and probably add in warp talons
I didn't realize that was a thing (I'm newer to 8th ed)
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Battalion detachment
HQ:
3x Exalted Champions- stock
Troops:
3x 5man bolt pistol chainsword squads
Elites:
Terminator squad
Champion with power fist
2x terminators with combi-melta and powerfist
2x champions combi bolters power axe
Heavy support:
3x pretators- twin lascannon, combi flamer
Dedicated Transport:
3x chaos rhinos
Outrider detachment:
HQ:
Chaos lord- Jump back, Claws of the black hunt, Night haunter's curse
Fast attack:
3x raptor squads, each with one melta
2x Warp Talons
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Thought for the day: It is better to die for the Emperor than to live for yourself
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2019/05/30 09:43:00
Subject: [2000] - Night Lords Blitzkrieg
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I do not know if you have added Icon on Raptors but i will recommend it.
Make them Nurgle and take Icon of Despair, 6" Aura for -1LD.
Sadly the Icon do not stack with each other but to maximise your LD Debuff you should go for it.
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2019/05/30 16:29:04
Subject: [2000] - Night Lords Blitzkrieg
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Nurgle Chosen Marine on a Palanquin
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Okay now get Vigilius Ablaze and read it thoroughly, especially the part about the Raptor Host detachment. But... model as many models with bolt guns or combi-bolters as possible.
You can run your terminators with chain axes (just plain chain axes 1pt), they are effective enough. Your choice if you want to run with anything more than combi-bolters.. with the bolter rule, they are already firing 4 bolters per model all the time.
Focus plasma guns on all other units with a lord nearby to re-roll 1's, overcharged plasma is a hair less effective than meltas, but.. if you are in 12" you get 2 shots vs 1, so its better, plus it gives you longer range.
Might arm the predators with the lascannons and then heavy bolter sponsons... and a combi-bolter +p
Not excited about exhaulted champions in this list.. everything killy moves 12+, they move 6+. Take 1, take a sorcerer with warptime, heck take a demon prince. Or more things with jumppacks.
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2019/06/04 05:36:52
Subject: Re:[2000] - Night Lords Blitzkrieg
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Powerful Ushbati
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++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [62 PL, 1,070pts] ++
+ No Force Org Slot +
Legion: Night Lords
+ HQ [10 PL, 200pts] +
Dark Apostle [5 PL, 100pts]: Illusory Supplication, No Chaos Mark
Dark Apostle [5 PL, 100pts]: No Chaos Mark, Warpsight Plea
+ Troops [18 PL, 210pts] +
Chaos Cultists [6 PL, 70pts]: No Chaos Mark
. 13x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun [65pts]
. Cultist Champion [5pts]: Autogun
Chaos Cultists [6 PL, 70pts]: No Chaos Mark
. 13x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun [65pts]
. Cultist Champion [5pts]: Autogun
Chaos Cultists [6 PL, 70pts]: No Chaos Mark
. 13x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun [65pts]
. Cultist Champion [5pts]: Autogun
+ Elites [20 PL, 380pts] +
Chaos Terminators [10 PL, 190pts]: No Chaos Mark
. Chaos Terminator Champion [38pts]: 2x Lightning Claw [12pts]
. Terminator [38pts]: 2x Lightning Claw [12pts]
. Terminator [38pts]: 2x Lightning Claw [12pts]
. Terminator [38pts]: 2x Lightning Claw [12pts]
. Terminator [38pts]: 2x Lightning Claw [12pts]
Chaos Terminators [10 PL, 190pts]: No Chaos Mark
. Chaos Terminator Champion [38pts]: 2x Lightning Claw [12pts]
. Terminator [38pts]: 2x Lightning Claw [12pts]
. Terminator [38pts]: 2x Lightning Claw [12pts]
. Terminator [38pts]: 2x Lightning Claw [12pts]
. Terminator [38pts]: 2x Lightning Claw [12pts]
+ Heavy Support [14 PL, 280pts] +
Havocs [7 PL, 130pts]: No Chaos Mark
. Aspiring Champion [14pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword
. 2x Havoc w/ heavy bolter [48pts]: 2x Heavy bolter [20pts]
. 2x Havoc w/ reaper chaincannon [68pts]: 2x Reaper chaincannon [40pts]
Havocs [7 PL, 150pts]: No Chaos Mark
. Aspiring Champion [14pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword
. 4x Havoc w/ missile launcher [136pts]: 4x Missile launcher [80pts]
++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [48 PL, 930pts] ++
+ No Force Org Slot +
Legion: Night Lords
+ HQ [12 PL, 210pts] +
Chaos Lord with Jump Pack [6 PL, 105pts]: 2x Lightning Claw [12pts], No Chaos Mark
Chaos Lord with Jump Pack [6 PL, 105pts]: 2x Lightning Claw [12pts], No Chaos Mark
+ Fast Attack [36 PL, 720pts] +
Warp Talons [12 PL, 240pts]: No Chaos Mark
. 9x Warp Talon [216pts]: 9x Lightning Claw (pair) [108pts]
. Warp Talon Champion [24pts]: Lightning Claw (pair) [12pts]
Warp Talons [12 PL, 240pts]: No Chaos Mark
. 9x Warp Talon [216pts]: 9x Lightning Claw (pair) [108pts]
. Warp Talon Champion [24pts]: Lightning Claw (pair) [12pts]
Warp Talons [12 PL, 240pts]: No Chaos Mark
. 9x Warp Talon [216pts]: 9x Lightning Claw (pair) [108pts]
. Warp Talon Champion [24pts]: Lightning Claw (pair) [12pts]
++ Total: [110 PL, 2,000pts] ++
This is what I've been working on, I went maximum units for redundancy. 7 Units on the table, 7 units in reserve, Or if I need it, I can re-balance by removing 1 squad of terminators and replacing them with a third squad of havoks armed with LC. Cultists park it on objectives while getting buffed by the apostles (and the havoks). 30 Warp Talons DS on turn two along side 5 Terminators and two lords should be absolutely devastating.
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2019/06/04 19:42:07
Subject: Re:[2000] - Night Lords Blitzkrieg
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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 Togusa wrote:++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [62 PL, 1,070pts] ++
+ No Force Org Slot +
Legion: Night Lords
+ HQ [10 PL, 200pts] +
Dark Apostle [5 PL, 100pts]: Illusory Supplication, No Chaos Mark
Dark Apostle [5 PL, 100pts]: No Chaos Mark, Warpsight Plea
+ Troops [18 PL, 210pts] +
Chaos Cultists [6 PL, 70pts]: No Chaos Mark
. 13x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun [65pts]
. Cultist Champion [5pts]: Autogun
Chaos Cultists [6 PL, 70pts]: No Chaos Mark
. 13x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun [65pts]
. Cultist Champion [5pts]: Autogun
Chaos Cultists [6 PL, 70pts]: No Chaos Mark
. 13x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun [65pts]
. Cultist Champion [5pts]: Autogun
+ Elites [20 PL, 380pts] +
Chaos Terminators [10 PL, 190pts]: No Chaos Mark
. Chaos Terminator Champion [38pts]: 2x Lightning Claw [12pts]
. Terminator [38pts]: 2x Lightning Claw [12pts]
. Terminator [38pts]: 2x Lightning Claw [12pts]
. Terminator [38pts]: 2x Lightning Claw [12pts]
. Terminator [38pts]: 2x Lightning Claw [12pts]
Chaos Terminators [10 PL, 190pts]: No Chaos Mark
. Chaos Terminator Champion [38pts]: 2x Lightning Claw [12pts]
. Terminator [38pts]: 2x Lightning Claw [12pts]
. Terminator [38pts]: 2x Lightning Claw [12pts]
. Terminator [38pts]: 2x Lightning Claw [12pts]
. Terminator [38pts]: 2x Lightning Claw [12pts]
+ Heavy Support [14 PL, 280pts] +
Havocs [7 PL, 130pts]: No Chaos Mark
. Aspiring Champion [14pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword
. 2x Havoc w/ heavy bolter [48pts]: 2x Heavy bolter [20pts]
. 2x Havoc w/ reaper chaincannon [68pts]: 2x Reaper chaincannon [40pts]
Havocs [7 PL, 150pts]: No Chaos Mark
. Aspiring Champion [14pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword
. 4x Havoc w/ missile launcher [136pts]: 4x Missile launcher [80pts]
++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [48 PL, 930pts] ++
+ No Force Org Slot +
Legion: Night Lords
+ HQ [12 PL, 210pts] +
Chaos Lord with Jump Pack [6 PL, 105pts]: 2x Lightning Claw [12pts], No Chaos Mark
Chaos Lord with Jump Pack [6 PL, 105pts]: 2x Lightning Claw [12pts], No Chaos Mark
+ Fast Attack [36 PL, 720pts] +
Warp Talons [12 PL, 240pts]: No Chaos Mark
. 9x Warp Talon [216pts]: 9x Lightning Claw (pair) [108pts]
. Warp Talon Champion [24pts]: Lightning Claw (pair) [12pts]
Warp Talons [12 PL, 240pts]: No Chaos Mark
. 9x Warp Talon [216pts]: 9x Lightning Claw (pair) [108pts]
. Warp Talon Champion [24pts]: Lightning Claw (pair) [12pts]
Warp Talons [12 PL, 240pts]: No Chaos Mark
. 9x Warp Talon [216pts]: 9x Lightning Claw (pair) [108pts]
. Warp Talon Champion [24pts]: Lightning Claw (pair) [12pts]
++ Total: [110 PL, 2,000pts] ++
This is what I've been working on, I went maximum units for redundancy. 7 Units on the table, 7 units in reserve, Or if I need it, I can re-balance by removing 1 squad of terminators and replacing them with a third squad of havoks armed with LC. Cultists park it on objectives while getting buffed by the apostles (and the havoks). 30 Warp Talons DS on turn two along side 5 Terminators and two lords should be absolutely devastating.
I love the list, I might steal it, but replace cultists with marines.
I just cannot imagine night lords using cultists from what I've read. Maybe you've read something else? I'm curious to know.
The list seems really strong. Grabbing objectives and parking seems like it would be a breeze
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2019/06/04 19:57:23
Subject: [2000] - Night Lords Blitzkrieg
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Violent Enforcer
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Night lords wouldn't use cultists as such but they are very reliant on slaves - have a read of the Night Lords Omnibus by Aaron Dembski-Bowden. I could see them fielding large hordes of human chattel which they've enslaved from various worlds.
With respect to Togusa, I don't see a lot of anti-tank in his list apart from the missile launcher havocs, and you did mention the value of redundancy... so you might struggle depending on your local meta.
Dark Apostles and Sorcerers are probably the way to go - I don't think Exalted Champions work with the list you have in mind Redbag - they're too slow and can't keep up with the raptors and warptalons (who are re-rolling wounds anyway because dual lightning claws). Meanwhile, dark apostles and sorcerers can buff your fire base of predators or havocs or whathaveyou while filling in those HQ slots.
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2019/06/07 00:59:31
Subject: [2000] - Night Lords Blitzkrieg
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Chaos Space Marine dedicated to Slaanesh
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The terminators worry me. Your chances of using them is slim. Any half way mobile army will avoid them. Having to roll two 9s for them to charge is going to hurt. If you fail, they will just be wasted points as bikes drive around them.
Using a single combi plasma squad of termies at full strength. (pop goes the monkey is awesome), and making them Slaanesh will give you all the anti-what ever you need.
Make one of your two lords a term lord and they can shoot 40 overcharged shots re-rolling ones. Plus the squad is ten points cheaper.
The havocks are not needed with the termies and I'm not a fan of raptors, but making them host raptoral helps one of their weaknesses. Sadly with the reserve rule nerf, they loose out on their big strength.
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2019/06/27 04:34:04
Subject: [2000] - Night Lords Blitzkrieg
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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How do the warp talons do? I just got 10 of them.
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