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Seeing that Alpha Legion May have been branded as traitors but haven’t been affected by the Warp, could some of them be in MKIV Power Armor and count as CSM for the game or do they need to be CSM models?

Thanks

SG

100% yes.

Sure. Go for it.

If you're feeling confident with your skills, you can use a hobby knife to carve chaos symbols on the models too, to make it look like a force that has recently turned.

That's not necessary however.

When it comes to 40k, i don't see any reason why any mark of armor couldn't be used for any chapter/legion/warband. The game doesn't make a difference in the armor (well except Havocs), and from the other side of the table I doubt I am going to able to pick the armor type being used most of the time. You can just say it was looted or timey,wimey warp shenanigans brought them 10,000 years into the future or something. I can't see any opponent worth playing having an issue with it.

I painted my Betrayal of Calth marines in Dark Angels colors specifically for use as a Fallen army. It works out fine as the boxed set doesn't really have any weapons that CSM can't use anyways. I even use Alpha Legion Legion Traits when running them since CSM don't really have a good Dark Angels legion trait.

I believe a lot of people who purchased Betrayal at Calth did so with the intention of creating 40k, not 30k armies, some using them for both. I believe Forge world sell brass etch symbols which are perfect on unmarked marines.
Mine were painted as Sons of Horus for 30k, but I used them as Alpha legion for 40k.

OK, how about we make this a little trickier. Could an 40K Alpha Legion army contain both non-traitor armor marines and traitor armor marines?

Thanks

SG

I'm doing the exact same thing and get a ton of compliments from people in my group. They look great in alpha legion colors. As for mixing "loyal" and chaos alpha legion in an army, my plan was to keep them separate by detachment and role. My chaos looking guys tend to the detachment with the sorcerors, daemon engines, and preacher while my "loyal" guys do the more traditional marine stuff like havocs, chosen (Hunter killer teams) dreads, etc.

Essentially the loyal looking guys operate in the open and lull loyalists into a false sense of safety, whereas the chaos guys are the muscle and terror troops and are only brought out when the plan is in motion

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
I'm doing the exact same thing and get a ton of compliments from people in my group. They look great in alpha legion colors. As for mixing "loyal" and chaos alpha legion in an army, my plan was to keep them separate by detachment and role. My chaos looking guys tend to the detachment with the sorcerors, daemon engines, and preacher while my "loyal" guys do the more traditional marine stuff like havocs, chosen (Hunter killer teams) dreads, etc.

Essentially the loyal looking guys operate in the open and lull loyalists into a false sense of safety, whereas the chaos guys are the muscle and terror troops and are only brought out when the plan is in motion

OK, so I followed you to a point. Chaos looking guys sticking to the detachment with sorcerers, daemon engines, and preacher makes perfect sense. Loyal guys doing more traditional stuff like Havocs and Chosen... Do you mean you're using Devastator Squads counting as Havocs and Veterans counts as Chosen or something close to that? Or are you using Loyalist and Chaos armor mixed in the same detachment for the second detachment you listed?

Thanks

SG

This is exactly what I do. All my rank and file are mk. IV with some III splashed in. Chosen use the deathwatch kit with some light conversion work. Havocs were just mk. IV with the heresy heavy weapons... But now I've got plans to put mk. III bodies on cataphractii legs to fit the new havoc size. Most everything "normal" uses heresy kits and bits.

But the chaotic stuff? As chaotic as it can get. Possessed are converted dv chosen. Cultists are either fw r&h bodies or skitarii "converted" to be dark mech. My shooty helbrute is just a venerable dread kit, but my melee one is the chaos kit. Noise marines are based on the new csm kit.

I like the mixed aesthetic. The rank and file are normal - able to infiltrate and fool. But the shock and awe troops have gone full Chaos, to be as shocking and awful as possible.

And not a soul has said a word negative about it. If that's how you view your AL warband, do it.

I really, really am beginning to love the Alpha Legion... so much room for customization of models from loyalist to traitor, kitbashing, etc. Their color scheme is excellent, too!

SG

I am going to note alpha legion have been impacted by chaos though, the canon referances alpha legion deamon princes. so don't feel they have to be unchaosy. they can look as touched or untouched by the warp as you wish

BrianDavion wrote:
I am going to note alpha legion have been impacted by chaos though, the canon referances alpha legion deamon princes. so don't feel they have to be unchaosy. they can look as touched or untouched by the warp as you wish

or depending on the mission.
AL is prone to use camouflage.

 ServiceGames wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
I'm doing the exact same thing and get a ton of compliments from people in my group. They look great in alpha legion colors. As for mixing "loyal" and chaos alpha legion in an army, my plan was to keep them separate by detachment and role. My chaos looking guys tend to the detachment with the sorcerors, daemon engines, and preacher while my "loyal" guys do the more traditional marine stuff like havocs, chosen (Hunter killer teams) dreads, etc.

Essentially the loyal looking guys operate in the open and lull loyalists into a false sense of safety, whereas the chaos guys are the muscle and terror troops and are only brought out when the plan is in motion

OK, so I followed you to a point. Chaos looking guys sticking to the detachment with sorcerers, daemon engines, and preacher makes perfect sense. Loyal guys doing more traditional stuff like Havocs and Chosen... Do you mean you're using Devastator Squads counting as Havocs and Veterans counts as Chosen or something close to that? Or are you using Loyalist and Chaos armor mixed in the same detachment for the second detachment you listed?

Thanks

SG

Sorry yeah I can see where that would be confusing. Essentially I'm using the chaos version of what the loyal unit would be. So I have a unit of "havocs" that are just mk IV guys, which you would call devestators if they were loyal. Just like I have a dread that you would call a hellbrutes in a chaos army. Chosen are essentially Sternguard vets or company vets, I'm not really sure if there's a regular marine unit that can take 6 special weapons to be honest.

Essentially I'm lazy and just calling the "loyal" units by their loyal term and not their chaos one to help me remember which is which. I'm pretty new to marines and chaos so I tend to mix up terms with them, sorry.

 ServiceGames wrote:
OK, how about we make this a little trickier. Could an 40K Alpha Legion army contain both non-traitor armor marines and traitor armor marines?

Thanks

SG

What's tricky about this?

It's an Alpha Legion model because YOU say it is. Doesn't matter what mark of armor you're using rules wise. If you need some fluff justification just make gak up (that's how GW does it you know).

At the end of the day it is power armoured marines. Some worship the notorious big E, others the warp land gang. The important thing is you paint the flags and gang symbols right.

So a few chaos star derived details, no eagles and you're good.... Unless you are running AL masquerading as Imperial then don't even do that.

As said above, there is not "traitor" or "non-traitor" power armour. The main consideration is simply iconography.

No loyalist marine will go into battle with a Chaos emblem on his shoulder, nor would any Chaos marine have an aquila on his chest, etc. Beyond that, a marine is a marine.

I play Renegade Space Marines. Essentially Abyssal Crusade marines who were betrayed by the Imperium and subsequently rescued (mostly against their will) by Chaos. So I run neither heavy Chaos adornments, nor Aquilas, etc.

Go for it. They have no impirial insignia on them.

They are not bedecked in impirial symbols and armour is refreshingly simple.

All marine parts fit mostly.

Feel free to add chaos add ones, parts or the various pads, helmets and such for flavour. There's also might be oaf sets still on forgeworld. If not flea bay or thr Jolly Rodgers out of China.

I prefer MKIII(my fav) & IV to pretty much any other mark. they're the only "regular" marines in my army besides the new Heroes & my RTB-01 squad from RT. Pretty look much everything else is Primaris but I have sprinkled in helmets & pauldrons from MKIII & IV on them and they look great.

But who cares what anyone else thinks, if you like it and want to play with them & they wont accept it. You wouldn't want to play against them any way!