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Where can i find points cost of Great Unclean One?

Thanks.

Chapter Approved 2018 for most current pts.

Sorry i dont know what that is. After google search looks like another type of book.

Can some one just tell me this, to play black legion, do i need a codex or the index or both ? or do i need also this 3rd book "chapter approved 2018"?

 Stormatious wrote:
Sorry i dont know what that is. After google search looks like another type of book.

Can some one just tell me this, to play black legion, do i need a codex or the index or both ? or do i need also this 3rd book "chapter approved 2018"?

In order to play Black Legion with a Great Unclean One you need:

Main Rulebook
Main Rulebook FAQ
Codex: Chaos Space Marines (2nd Printing)
Codex: Chaos Space Marines (2nd Printing) FAQ
Codex: Chaos Daemons
Codex: Chaos Daemons FAQ
Chapter Approved 2018 for the latest points costs.
Chapter Approved 2018 FAQ (because the book of errata needs errata)
Imperium Nihilus - Vigilus Ablaze for additional Black Legion faction rules
Imperium Nihilus - Vigilus Ablaze FAQ

If you are new, you don't need Index: Chaos, those are for legacy models from before the GW No Model, No Rules policy.

Or just do what everyone else does and use Battlescribe because GW's current book policy is a joke.

Chapter Approved is a more-or-less annual update to the 40K core game. It includes things like rules tweaks, new mission types, and any changes made to points values. It's where the latest points will be.

Other options would be the Daemons codex, but it may have changed since that was published; or an unofficial app like BattleScribe - but then you do need to trust that whoever has created the Daemons codex data has got it right / up to date.

You wouldn't need the Index for Black Legion unless you wanted to run an old model that no longer has rules in the Codex, e.g. a Khorne Lord mounted on a Juggernaut. Otherwise the Codex has superceded the Index.

I *think* the recent re-released update of the CSM Codex includes everything now. There might be some stuff in the Vigilus campaign book(s) too though.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Stormatious wrote:
Sorry i dont know what that is. After google search looks like another type of book.

Can some one just tell me this, to play black legion, do i need a codex or the index or both ? or do i need also this 3rd book "chapter approved 2018"?

In order to play Black Legion with a Great Unclean One you need:

Main Rulebook
Main Rulebook FAQ
Codex: Chaos Space Marines (2nd Printing)
Codex: Chaos Space Marines (2nd Printing) FAQ
Codex: Chaos Daemons
Codex: Chaos Daemons FAQ
Chapter Approved 2018 for the latest points costs.
Chapter Approved 2018 FAQ (because the book of errata needs errata)
Imperium Nihilus - Vigilus Ablaze for additional Black Legion faction rules
Imperium Nihilus - Vigilus Ablaze FAQ

If you are new, you don't need Index: Chaos, those are for legacy models from before the GW No Model, No Rules policy.

Or just do what everyone else does and use Battlescribe because GW's current book policy is a joke.

Im confused as hell, i assume your joking about 10 different books. So battlescribe is all i need then?

So confusing, why even have codex's or any of this gak if its always changing.

My brains exploding.

FAQs aren't books, they're just lists of corrections published online

 Stormatious wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Stormatious wrote:
Sorry i dont know what that is. After google search looks like another type of book.

Can some one just tell me this, to play black legion, do i need a codex or the index or both ? or do i need also this 3rd book "chapter approved 2018"?

In order to play Black Legion with a Great Unclean One you need:

Main Rulebook
Main Rulebook FAQ
Codex: Chaos Space Marines (2nd Printing)
Codex: Chaos Space Marines (2nd Printing) FAQ
Codex: Chaos Daemons
Codex: Chaos Daemons FAQ
Chapter Approved 2018 for the latest points costs.
Chapter Approved 2018 FAQ (because the book of errata needs errata)
Imperium Nihilus - Vigilus Ablaze for additional Black Legion faction rules
Imperium Nihilus - Vigilus Ablaze FAQ

If you are new, you don't need Index: Chaos, those are for legacy models from before the GW No Model, No Rules policy.

Or just do what everyone else does and use Battlescribe because GW's current book policy is a joke.

Im confused as hell, i assume your joking about 10 different books. So battlescribe is all i need then?

Thanks

No, I am not joking. Those are literally the documents you need in order to play Black Legion with a Great Unclean One.

Then why do you say just use battle scribe like every one else? if i need those documents.

 Stormatious wrote:
Then why do you say just use battle scribe like every one else? if i need those documents.

Because Battlescribe is only useful for building armies. It doesn't contain all the rules needed and as it's community based it can contain errors. The rulebooks are the only sources with all the rules and are always correct (at least once you apply the errata since 90% of GWs physical books are not worth the paper they are printed on due to the huge amount of errata. In fact not a single codex GW has released in 8th is usable without errata).

What does errata mean?


So if i wanted to play as black legion with out GUO what would i need then?

 Stormatious wrote:
What does errata mean?


So if i wanted to play as black legion with out GUO what would i need then?

erratum
/ɛˈrɑːtəm/
noun
plural noun: errata
a list of corrected errors appended to a book or published in a subsequent issue of a journal.

GW correct the multitude of errors in their books via online PDFs. https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/

If you don't want the GUO you can drop the Chaos Daemons codex.

Thanks Bacon.


So i just need The rule book and csm codex and dice and measuring ojbect?


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and not the index?

 Stormatious wrote:
Thanks Bacon.


So i just need The rule book and csm codex and dice and measuring ojbect?


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and not the index?

At the bare minimum, yes. You don't need the index for sure.

Ok thanks Half cat half bacon that wears goggles and a hat Dakka user


Thanks. ( expect more noob questions most likely in this thread if thats ok )

Kind of depends on where you're going to play as well.

Some places are more fussy than others. You may need to have access to, and follow, all the new rules from the latest Chapter Approved. You may not. You may need a physical copy of the relevant codex and printed errata for any model you field, or you may not.

E.g. I literally just play against 1 regular opponent, and one other guy once in a blue moon. We've not bought any of the Chapter Approved books yet. We're quite happy to play new or experimental lists just using the available data in BattleScribe.

Your mileage may vary.

So with Battlescribe ( i have it installed ), does this include things i need that replaces me having to bring CSM codex and a rule book?


And thanks for your post.

Battlescribe is an aid to using the books.
Without the codex, you won't have explanations of some parts of how the army works. Battlescribe gives you most of that, but is not a replacement for the codex or rulebook.

The Chapter Approved is an annual rejig of the points as a whole, all at once.

Every* book GW has published has been updated with errata and FAQ just after release. Battlescribe is good for knowing which points are correct. It also tries to keep the rules adjustments in one place.

If you have the Enhanced books on an Apple device, they (I think) get updated when a rule or points change happens. Other digital rules don't seem to.

 Stormatious wrote:
So with Battlescribe ( i have it installed ), does this include things i need that replaces me having to bring CSM codex and a rule book?


And thanks for your post.

Battlescribe simply makes it easier to make legal armies and calculate points costs. It's a supplement to the codex, not a replacement.

 Stormatious wrote:

and not the index?

No, you do not need the index at all.
when this edition launched they put out a series of Index books so that everyone had lists right off the bat (instead of their usual practice of spacing the books out & leaving some people hanging for a year+). And then they started putting out the actual codex books wich pretty much overwrote the index lists.
The Index lists though do contain some models & options that GW has since cut from the line/didn't include as options once they started pumping out this editions actual Codex books. Those specific things remain valid options, but to use them you need the Index (or Battlescribe). It's more for us existing players.
I do recommend eventually picking up a copy (especially if you can get it cheap), but for right now you don't really have much need for it.

Ok, ill find a tutorial or some thing on how to use it properly.


Thanks for your patience.




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 Stormatious wrote:

and not the index?

No, you do not need the index at all.
when this edition launched they put out a series of Index books so that everyone had lists right off the bat (instead of their usual practice of spacing the books out & leaving some people hanging for a year+). And then they started putting out the actual codex books wich pretty much overwrote the index lists.
The Index lists though do contain some models & options that GW has since cut from the line/didn't include as options once they started pumping out this editions actual Codex books. Those specific things remain valid options, but to use them you need the Index (or Battlescribe). It's more for us existing players.
I do recommend eventually picking up a copy (especially if you can get it cheap), but for right now you don't really have much need for it.

Oh ok, so any models that are availabile from 8th edition and on wards till today are in the codex's?

 Stormatious wrote:
Oh ok, so any models that are availabile from 8th edition and on wards till today are in the codex's?

Due to the Chapter House Lawsuits (no need to worry about exactly what those were right now), GW adopted a "No Models, No Rules" policy with the codexes. In short, Codexes only reflect what the kits they actually sell are capable of doing, while Indexes account for the 30 or so years of when they didn't have that stupid policy and thus allowed for kitbashes. The two examples that always stick in my head are Dreadnoughts (you used to be able to kitbash Autocannons or Plasma Cannons for them, and FW even sold those arms) and Kor'sarro Khan on Moondrakken, because a White Scars Captain not being able to use a bike makes total sense /s.

Of course, they won't admit that. Their official reasoning is the laughable notion that new players might get "confused" as to why they didn't get X in their box of overpriced plastic but the codex says they can take X despite one of the reasons the hobby exists is the model making part.

But yes, Codexes are what you need if you're just starting for the first time in 8th edition.

If you are only played a friend you can get away with...

Index Chaos
OR Codex Chaos Space Marines

AND
The Big Rule Book.

You'll be playing with out of date rules, but that's a cheap and easy way to get around it, but you will be missing out on the points values and any adjustment to rules that might benefit you.

The points and individual abilities and rules of units are within Battlescribe (a fremium app on PC, Phone). These can be wrong sometimes, but it's a good way to build an army.
Many clubs may ask you to bring along your rules/codex etc too. At my club I take:
Codex Chaos Space Marines, Index Chaos (as I have an older model not in Codex) and a "Core Rules" card. I also take my battlescribe references printed out and put onto cards so I can reference them faster. I virtually never take out the codex as I can rely on the BattleScribe.

[SEE BACONCATBUGS HELPFUL COMMENTS BELOW FOR FULL STORY] Alternatively you can purchase the ebook Codex from GW. Apparently this will automatically update points and when they make changes to it - I know there are two formats for these and I don't have either. It saves you the hassle of bringing books and should be up to date. BUT a physical book can be easier to reference sometimes and you can sell it on afterwards - not so with the digital copy.

TarkinLarson wrote:
Alternatively you can purchase the ebook Codex from GW. Apparently this will automatically update points and when they make changes to it - I know there are two formats for these and I don't have either. It saves you the hassle of bringing books and should be up to date. BUT a physical book can be easier to reference sometimes and you can sell it on afterwards - not so with the digital copy.

The ebooks don't update. Only the locked down Apple versions do.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

TarkinLarson wrote:
Alternatively you can purchase the ebook Codex from GW. Apparently this will automatically update points and when they make changes to it - I know there are two formats for these and I don't have either. It saves you the hassle of bringing books and should be up to date. BUT a physical book can be easier to reference sometimes and you can sell it on afterwards - not so with the digital copy.

The ebooks don't update. Only the locked down Apple versions do.

Thanks for the correction... you could probably tell I wasn't sure!

TarkinLarson wrote:
If you are only played a friend you can get away with...

Index Chaos
OR Codex Chaos Space Marines

AND
The Big Rule Book.

You'll be playing with out of date rules, but that's a cheap and easy way to get around it, but you will be missing out on the points values and any adjustment to rules that might benefit you.

The points and individual abilities and rules of units are within Battlescribe (a fremium app on PC, Phone). These can be wrong sometimes, but it's a good way to build an army.
Many clubs may ask you to bring along your rules/codex etc too. At my club I take:
Codex Chaos Space Marines, Index Chaos (as I have an older model not in Codex) and a "Core Rules" card. I also take my battlescribe references printed out and put onto cards so I can reference them faster. I virtually never take out the codex as I can rely on the BattleScribe.

Alternatively you can purchase the ebook Codex from GW. Apparently this will automatically update points and when they make changes to it - I know there are two formats for these and I don't have either. It saves you the hassle of bringing books and should be up to date. BUT a physical book can be easier to reference sometimes and you can sell it on afterwards - not so with the digital copy.

Why would that be playing with out of date rules?



Thanks!


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 BaconCatBug wrote:

TarkinLarson wrote:
Alternatively you can purchase the ebook Codex from GW. Apparently this will automatically update points and when they make changes to it - I know there are two formats for these and I don't have either. It saves you the hassle of bringing books and should be up to date. BUT a physical book can be easier to reference sometimes and you can sell it on afterwards - not so with the digital copy.

The ebooks don't update. Only the locked down Apple versions do.

Thanks for the corretion... you could probably tell I wasn't sure!

Do half bacon half bug half cats have psychic powers? That's not surprising really. ( because it looks like it can fly aswell, so why not )

Edit - Looks like the *person. Not "it". My bad. Didn't mean to call Baconcatbug "it".

 Stormatious wrote:

Why would that be playing with out of date rules?

Thanks!

Lets give an example. If you solely play with the Index and BRB... which is probably the absolute bare minimum you need to actually get a game off the ground... you'll miss out on some new rules they've added in since (eg: Bolter Discipline, relics, strategems) not to mention points balances of models which have happened in the subsequent Codex, Chapter Approved, Errata etc.

It really depends on what you want to get out of the game. You can play with the basic £25 basic box set which has a handful of Primaris Marines and Plague Marines. That will have some datasheets and core rules. You'll miss out on the interesting lore, pictures and extra rules in the BRB and index and codex.
If you go for a Dark Imperium box set, you'll get (old) datasheets for Death Guard and Primaris Space Marines and a Big Rule Book. That is enough for you to get quite a few games out and played, especially if there are two people starting out and learning the rules.

If you want to get a little more out of it and play with extras, but just want a cheap introduction in, there are the Index books. They don't have all the brand spanking new strategems and specialist detachments but they should have rules and stats for all but the latest models (see Shadowspear box set etc). This'll get you going. The Index books can be found for ~£10 each on eBay at the moment and they can cover multiple armies.

I've never bought chapter approved - for most people they have points increases and new campaigns and missions. Vigilus Ablaze and Vigilus Defiant also had good campaigns... but they had the specialist detachments.

Unfortunately the way that GW do their rules and datasheets means that you can end up spending more on book than a small army IF you want to play with all the latest rules.

OP
BattleScribe will get you through most things as it has the rules for the units with FAQs (gw’s errata/free game fixes) already applied. May not be perfect but it will get you through your games. Black Legion you will want the codex Chaos Space Marines version 2 (it has a 2 on the cover) but the old codex will work too though you will want Vigilus Ablaze (I have the old codex and had to get VA... plus Shadowspear Demonkin. Get the version 2 book I’d say)

I don’t know about Daemons but sounds like you will need the Daemon codex as well for the Great Unclean Ones.

The errata that is online is something you can skim and print down the line, I would worry too much about it at first.

Chapter Approved 2018 is also something I wouldn’t worry about at first. Maybe down the line or look for the points updates online. Someone took a picture of the point updated and put them online somewhere.

Anyone who gives you a hard time because your new and you didn't bring a library with you is someone you don’t want to play and should tell them to f- off. But that is my double pennies.

Personally I would just get the Codex of the army you wish to play, get a copy main rule book and build your army using Battlescribe.

With those 3 resources you can get plenty of games in to learn the majority of the basics. When you have had some games and have gotten familiar with your army you will then start to notice perhaps odd wording or rules that in some situations don't clarify what you're actually allowed or not allowed to do. This is where the FAQ's come in, they tend to answer and correct these odd rules. [these are online for free and really once you have read them you will remember them, but print them out if you need]

For the chapter approved books these really only add a few new things in, like game modes and some finalised beta rules. I wouldn't worry to much about that until you have learnt the game really.

If your learning with a friend who is also starting out, that's great as it will matter less if your not 100% up to date on chapter approved, FAQ's etc. But if you just popping down to your local store to play 9/10 times the people you play with will help you learn and point out bits and bobs you may miss, so again, not to much bother if you don't have all 17 million books straight away!

Once you are well versed with your army [know most stats + unit rules of the top of your head] its likely you will not need to worry about buying the extra books like chapter approved because once you read a mates or something you will just commit the tiny small new bits that are relevant to your army to memory after reading.

Something to keep in mind when using Battlescribe is that the datafile includes all Index options, both models and wargear. So you will find options that don't exist in the Codex.