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As the title suggests I’m looking for some ideas of fun gun castle armies I can run for itc!

I like my Knights gun castle... you can fit a Guard Battalion w/ 2 Tank Commanders and a Knights Super Heavy Detachment of 3 Crusaders into the same list. LOTS of firepower, and if the enemy gets too close the Knights can charge and stomp the enemy to death.

None of them are fun. If you want to win take one, but don't pretend that anyone is going to have fun with it

 Peregrine wrote:
None of them are fun. If you want to win take one, but don't pretend that anyone is going to have fun with it

This. Static gunlines are horribly un fun.

 Imateria wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
None of them are fun. If you want to win take one, but don't pretend that anyone is going to have fun with it

This. Static gunlines are horribly un fun.

I actually do have fun. I imagine a last stand of my tau for the greater good and we can’t let the enemy break our lines..

Unless the board is densely covered with LOS blocking terrain and I bring a zerker heavy army I am glad your having fun with a Tau gun line. I sure as feth won't be 9/10.

But its your hobby, play what you find enjoyable.

Custodes probably do it best and it's the most fun as it's mobile.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Unless the board is densely covered with LOS blocking terrain and I bring a zerker heavy army I am glad your having fun with a Tau gun line. I sure as feth won't be 9/10.

But its your hobby, play what you find enjoyable.

Always play with an agreed amount of terrain between both myself and my opponent, not so much to destroy
My gun line and not so little to let my Gunlines be broken, and itc rules so first floors are LOS blocking also

Well OP didn't specify it had to be a static gunline castle. Custodes and Knights can certainly do gunlines, and they have the ability to go on the offensive if it's tactically a good idea. Flexible armies like that have always been my favorite.

I agree with the general sentiments from Peregrine. Static gunlines aren't fun. Mobile gunlines can be though, and you could try Drukhari for that. They have a lot of mobility but tend to rely on spamming Blasters for a lot of their anti-tank so need to get close to use them. It can make for an interesting game as you play around at the edges of range, trying not to get tagged by close combat troops.

I would argue that gunlines by definition are static, not mobile. No one has ever described Drulhari as a gunline, certainly nobody that actually plays the army.

AdMech do a fairly ok mobile gunline - Kataphrons, Onagers & Ironstriders are all fairly mobile (have a lot of firepower) (of the three only the Ironstriders suffer penalties to hit if moving, but that can easily be corrected by the use of a 1CP stratagem.

 Imateria wrote:
I would argue that gunlines by definition are static, not mobile. No one has ever described Drulhari as a gunline, certainly nobody that actually plays the army.

The correct term would be mechanized, you use a bunch of transports to get your Dakka to the point.
Not unlike PZ grenadiers.


CSM can with the new stuff run a hybrid daemon engine gunline that also packs a relativly mean punch. But alas Daemoengines come with a steep pricetag and CP also.

Amazingly I agree with Peregrine. Gunlines aren't fun.

Regardless if other find it fun or not, if it fits your play style and it’s what interests you play it. Others love melee, and if melee was broken they’d be having fun watching their melee dudes slaughter everyone. Sadly you can not please everyone, so murder their guys with a huge castled Gunlines and if they complain afterwards, point them in the direction of warmahordes and tell them to have a good day

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Regardless if other find it fun or not, if it fits your play style and it’s what interests you play it.

"Who cares if your opponent is not having fun and will never want to play against you again, you found the most boring and mindless list possible and you have every right to use it."

 Peregrine wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Regardless if other find it fun or not, if it fits your play style and it’s what interests you play it.

"Who cares if your opponent is not having fun and will never want to play against you again, you found the most boring and mindless list possible and you have every right to use it."

Boring and mindless in your opinion, which doesn’t mean much in regards to others opinions. If you play with an actual group of friends, and they know you’re playing an army and style that fits what you like lore wise, as well as model and paint scheme wise, they won’t care. And if you play in a competitive environment, they are going to find ways to beat it. Your opinion is invalid, unfortunately

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Boring and mindless in your opinion, which doesn’t mean much in regards to others opinions. If you play with an actual group of friends, and they know you’re playing an army and style that fits what you like lore wise, as well as model and paint scheme wise, they won’t care. And if you play in a competitive environment, they are going to find ways to beat it. Your opinion is invalid, unfortunately

I play with friends and if they wasted my time with a gunline list it would probably be the last time I play 40k with them. Gunlines take an already shallow game and remove all meaningful strategy and interaction from it. You set up your gunline and then roll dice until someone wins the game. No movement, no melee, no concern for the scenario objectives, just rolling dice to see if you can kill everything before the turn limit. Taking a list like that in a casual game with friends is TFG behavior IMO, at least in a tournament you have the excuse that winning is what matters and "fun" is irrelevant if it doesn't win games.

 Peregrine wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Boring and mindless in your opinion, which doesn’t mean much in regards to others opinions. If you play with an actual group of friends, and they know you’re playing an army and style that fits what you like lore wise, as well as model and paint scheme wise, they won’t care. And if you play in a competitive environment, they are going to find ways to beat it. Your opinion is invalid, unfortunately

I play with friends and if they wasted my time with a gunline list it would probably be the last time I play 40k with them. Gunlines take an already shallow game and remove all meaningful strategy and interaction from it. You set up your gunline and then roll dice until someone wins the game. No movement, no melee, no concern for the scenario objectives, just rolling dice to see if you can kill everything before the turn limit. Taking a list like that in a casual game with friends is TFG behavior IMO, at least in a tournament you have the excuse that winning is what matters and "fun" is irrelevant if it doesn't win games.

I see you learned. “In your opinion”

I have to agree with Peregrine to some extent. Honestly, gun line armies tend to be so mindless as to make the decent co-op game since they take very little decision making after deployment to play. In those cases, I find the fun comes from solving the puzzle in said co-op game with a friend far more than the actual battling a gun line though.

It was explained to me this way when I was playing a literal zombie horde army, "Why should you be rewarded for literally shambling toward my army when I have to do all the tactical thinking?" The came after I lamented losing because my opponent shot too many of my zombies up that when they final reach their army the zombies didn't have enough strength to do anything meaningful. My opponent was right, I just had to leaf blow my zombies toward them. My opponent had to decide how to best use their force to prevent defeat so they earned victory. While I was merely playing an NPC army.

I will never understand the people who feel compelled to post "THATS JUST UR OPINION". Of course it's my opinion, what else would it be? What useful content have you added to this discussion besides stating the obvious?

 Peregrine wrote:
I will never understand the people who feel compelled to post "THATS JUST UR OPINION". Of course it's my opinion, what else would it be? What useful content have you added to this discussion besides stating the obvious?

If you read my above posts, regardless of the ones showing you why no one cares about yours, you’ll see I did add to the topic and then you deemed yourself worthy of commenting your opinion as well. If you don’t like the fact I can argue your opinion, maybe this isn’t the forum or game for you little one.
I will also never understand the people who think its important to post their opinions of negativity in a topic that was asking for help on a discussion, just because they constantly get beat by the type of army the individual wants information about. So sad

Taking apart a gunline from the attacking side can be pretty engaging, tactically. It's definitely easier to have fun facing a gunline if you are not also taking a gunline.

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
I will also never understand the people who think its important to post their opinions of negativity in a topic that was asking for help on a discussion

Because the best possible advice the OP can receive is "don't play a ing gunline in a friendly game". Sometimes the answer to a question is that the idea is bad and should be abandoned, and it's silly to complain about "negativity" because you don't like that answer. In this case the "negativity" preserves the OP's ability to play 40k with their friends and gives them a much more enjoyable experience.

just because they constantly get beat by the type of army the individual wants information about

It has nothing to do with losing to gunlines. Even when you win against a gunline it's a miserable waste of time. You could guarantee me victory 9/10 games and I'd still rather never play 40k again than waste my time playing with a gunline player.

Yeah...gunlines are bad.

They're bad for the game, they're bad for fun.

Friends don't let friends do gunlines.

Just say no.

Bah, ignore those naysayers, go Krieg with static artillery, the OG gunline army.

Dark Angels have a semi-fun, semi-competitive gunline build with Azrael surrounded by Hellblasters. Stick a Lieutenant, Ancient, and a Ravenwing Darkshroud in there and you've got a nasty little firebase. It has some glaring weaknesses, hence why I call it semi-competitive, but it is cool if you like cool synergies and combos.

 Bobthehero wrote:
Bah, ignore those naysayers, go Krieg with static artillery, the OG gunline army.

Exactly. OP, most of these naysayers are the bane of DakkaDakka’s existence and aren’t takin seriously throughout the rest of the forums

First, learn to take a gun line.

Second. Learn the weakness of a gunline by having an opponent dismantle it and take you to the cleaners.

Third, now learn to use similar strategies to take future gunlines to the cleaners.

Now... you have learnt to have fun using and facing gun lines...

A Castle Gunline is somewhat suspension of disbelief breaking. Castle suggests everything is clumped together. Without a narrative play reason for it, there's no reason to throw bodies at it. Sit back and bomb it. Go around it.

Edit to make sure my point is clear - the funnest castle gun lines have a reason for being a castle gun line. A prefab narrative/victory condition reason the attacker has to take the area defended by the castle gun line, and can't just sit back and drop bombs and artillery on it.