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Hey all.

I got a question about the summoning ritual.

Can it be used in turn 1 in matched play?

The answer is probably hidden in a FAQ somewhere, but i looked and i couldnt seem to find it.

Yes, as you are not deploying units that were part of your army, but rather creating new ones.

This should be in YMDC.

 Jidmah wrote:
Yes, as you are not deploying units that were part of your army, but rather creating new ones.

Great, thanks.

Follow up question.
Can a unit that has been summoned move in the turn it is put on the table?

Miroll wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Yes, as you are not deploying units that were part of your army, but rather creating new ones.

Great, thanks.

Follow up question.
Can a unit that has been summoned move in the turn it is put on the table?

No, not in the movement phase anyway, because it is already the end of the phase when you use Daemonic Ritual.

Per the Reinforcement rules, you cannot move a unit setup by Daemonic Ritual for any reason outside of Charging, Piling-In and Consolidation.

 Stux wrote:

Miroll wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Yes, as you are not deploying units that were part of your army, but rather creating new ones.

Great, thanks.

Follow up question.
Can a unit that has been summoned move in the turn it is put on the table?

No, not in the movement phase anyway, because it is already the end of the phase when you use Daemonic Ritual.

Fantastic.
Thank you

 Stux wrote:

Miroll wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Yes, as you are not deploying units that were part of your army, but rather creating new ones.

Great, thanks.

Follow up question.
Can a unit that has been summoned move in the turn it is put on the table?

No, not in the movement phase anyway, because it is already the end of the phase when you use Daemonic Ritual.

Not just in the movement phase, but at all that turn outside of Charging, Piling in and Consolidating as they are Reinforcements.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Stux wrote:

Miroll wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Yes, as you are not deploying units that were part of your army, but rather creating new ones.

Great, thanks.

Follow up question.
Can a unit that has been summoned move in the turn it is put on the table?

No, not in the movement phase anyway, because it is already the end of the phase when you use Daemonic Ritual.

Not just in the movement phase, but at all that turn outside of Charging, Piling in and Consolidating as they are Reinforcements.

Indeed. There are some instance where you can move as you stated, but generally no moving after being summoned.

 Stux wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Stux wrote:

Miroll wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Yes, as you are not deploying units that were part of your army, but rather creating new ones.

Great, thanks.

Follow up question.
Can a unit that has been summoned move in the turn it is put on the table?

No, not in the movement phase anyway, because it is already the end of the phase when you use Daemonic Ritual.

Not just in the movement phase, but at all that turn outside of Charging, Piling in and Consolidating as they are Reinforcements.

Indeed. There are some instance where you can move as you stated, but generally no moving after being summoned.

Ok so it works like a ''deep strike'' except that you can do it turn one

Summoning has several of its own rules that make it different to Deep Strike mechanics. It is probably easier not to think of them as being similar.

 Bilge Rat wrote:
Summoning has several of its own rules that make it different to Deep Strike mechanics. It is probably easier not to think of them as being similar.

Like what?

It sounds like the only difference is that it can be done turn 1

Deep striking units start as part of your army. You have to pay points for them during list creation, include them in your army list and declare that they are deep striking during deployment. None of this is true for summoned units.

 Bilge Rat wrote:
Deep striking units start as part of your army. You have to pay points for them during list creation, include them in your army list and declare that they are deep striking during deployment. None of this is true for summoned units.

Yeah i get all that.

But from the moment they hit the table its pretty much the same.
Cant move as its the end of movement.
9'' from the enemy ( 12'' from the summoner).

Please correct me if i'm wrong.

It's just a matter of perspective. If you understand the rule, that's all that really matters.

It's and Apples and Oranges thing. They are both fruit, but an Apple is not an Orange. Similarly, Units set up in "Deep Strike" and Summoning are both Reinforcements, but that doesn't make one the other.

Miroll wrote:

But from the moment they hit the table its pretty much the same.
Cant move as its the end of movement.
9'' from the enemy ( 12'' from the summoner).

Please correct me if i'm wrong.

The point of summoning is that you can summon whatever you want. You want the rock to the opponents scissor ? Summon it (if you have the models). And after you roll you can pick what will be summoned. Its almost impossible to fail summoning. Did i roll enough for a 20 model unit ? No, i dont. So, only a 10 model unit is summoned.