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Is he supposed to be as big as he is as a model compared to a marine?

Cheers.

He's said to physically resemble Horus, iirc, so... yeah.

yeah he was always described as a giant among marines. keep in mind he's not MASSIVELY bigger once you account for the scenic base.,

I don't think there's a definite, official answer to that.


If you wanna interpret these large models as being more or less out-of-scale center-piece-models for visual purposes, that's what they are.

If you wanna consider all 40K models as being meticulously scaled to 100% represent (one variant of widely inconsistent) fluff down to 1/100th of a millimeter, that's what they are.

Oh ok cool,

Thanks.

3 possible deliberate reasons for this scale,
1. Abaddon is supposed to be like Horus, all swole from the powers of all four chaos gods.

2. Failbaddon has been an unfortunate meme that GW have been wanting to get away from and the comparison to Rouboute scale is possibly deliberate.

3. If you follow the lore, one of my favourite snippets from ADB's Blacklegion books leaves the possibility that Abaddon is horus or a horus clone...

 Nithaniel wrote:


3. If you follow the lore, one of my favourite snippets from ADB's Blacklegion books leaves the possibility that Abaddon is horus or a horus clone...

that rumor's been around since abaddon was first introduced

 Stormatious wrote:
Is he supposed to be as big as he is as a model compared to a marine?

Cheers.

Yes.

What people don't realise is the original Abaddon model was HUGE compared to the Terminators and SMs of its time - the problem is that when the Terminators were scaled up in 4th edition, he wasn't so got progressively smaller and smaller as SMs and Terminators got larger and larger.

Abby was always an exceptionally big Marine, even in the 30k books. His Terminator armour is actually a custom suit to fit his rather large frame. His size is part of the reason people believed him to be a clone of Horus for a while.

Add his ALREADY large size to the blessings of Chaos over 10k years and yeah, he's a big boi.

I believe he is not only amped big but also center piece models are a bit bigger. Ahriman I think is as big as a termie.

Mate he was bigger than a space marine when he was just a boy... Add to the fact he was super receptive to the Horus juice they injected into him... And now carries the Mark of Chaos Ascendant?

Yah, he swole!

Honestly, out of all the Big Gigundus Marines abbadon is one of my favorite. I think it's because the proportionally small head is recessed into the large terminator armor, which avoids some of the pinhead syndrome I get from looking at the shorter-haired Primarch models or the (IMO) awful 40k Gulliman sculpt.

No, it's stupid. Did they update how many spaces he takes up in a Land Raider?

I was all set to buy him until I saw how comically huge he is.


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 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Stormatious wrote:
Is he supposed to be as big as he is as a model compared to a marine?

Cheers.

Yes.

What people don't realise is the original Abaddon model was HUGE compared to the Terminators and SMs of its time - the problem is that when the Terminators were scaled up in 4th edition, he wasn't so got progressively smaller and smaller as SMs and Terminators got larger and larger.

He was a little bigger, but not that much bigger. Compare the models at the feet, I raised my Abaddon up on some plasticard to make him look more "current", but he's not that much bigger than the 2nd Ed Terminator beside him.

In the first three books of the Horus Heresy, the other Lunar Wolves/Sons of Horus all note how big Abaddon is, standing as tall as the a terminator in his regular armor, and being almost as tall as Horus when wearing his suit of terminator power armor - which needed to be custom made for him because he was just too big for a regular one.

ForgeWorld doesn't seem to think so.

then, toi be blunt, FW is wrong.

FW is sensible.

The scale of the models isn't accurate with everything else. They are just gaming pieces, designed to represent the unit they are.
Heroes are epic and big.

 ChazSexington wrote:

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ForgeWorld doesn't seem to think so.

Considering that ForgeWorld also forgot that Abaddon was wearing his suit of terminator armor during the depicted scene, I wouldn't put too much into that.

Horus Rising clearly describes Abaddon as towering brute, taller than Loken.

Imo one of the better models GW ever done, together with new CSM and Havocs. I'm not even that much into Chaos aesthetic but they just took what worked and made it better. You can see it's Chaos alright. I'm surprised it doesn't make loyalists super jealous.

 Jidmah wrote:

Considering that ForgeWorld also forgot that Abaddon was wearing his suit of terminator armor during the depicted scene, I wouldn't put too much into that.

Forgot how? That model is in Terminator armour... That model was, IIRC, made before any of the Primarchs, though.

And that's where the problems started. Because the fiction made the Primarchs ridiculously huge, and then the model ranges made them ridiculouslier huger, Abaddon (who as mentioned above was supposed to be near in size to Horus) suddenly had to also be stupidly large.

 Ishagu wrote:
The scale of the models isn't accurate with everything else. They are just gaming pieces, designed to represent the unit they are.
Heroes are epic and big.

Exactly.

Just as chess pieces arent on the same scale, they are just representative tokens.

Fictional wrote:

 Ishagu wrote:
The scale of the models isn't accurate with everything else. They are just gaming pieces, designed to represent the unit they are.
Heroes are epic and big.

Exactly.

Just as chess pieces aren't on the same scale, they are just representative tokens.

I always find that people take everything too literally and they fail to grasp the abstraction of the game. I've had people complain about not being able to target characters, saying this like: "How can I not shoot the giant Primarch with the flaming sword, or the Chaos Lord with the huge trophy rack, or the flying woman with the large white wings, etc, etc

People have to understand that the models are simply gaming pieces. Guilliman and Abaddon wouldn't stand up on top of a ruin, waving their sword around in the air. This is just the gaming piece that makes them stand out on the table. It represents their general position on a miniature representation of a battlefield.

Allowing them to make the primarchs so huge was a mistake. Space Marines are already meant to be a lot larger than a normal human, and would look like an imposing, big guy. Having a Primarch land and be this huge guy who can't get through doors is dumb.

It's like some authors inserted their magical realm fetish into the books and it spread.

 Jidmah wrote:

 ChazSexington wrote:

Spoiler:

ForgeWorld doesn't seem to think so.

Considering that ForgeWorld also forgot that Abaddon was wearing his suit of terminator armor during the depicted scene, I wouldn't put too much into that.

Horus Rising clearly describes Abaddon as towering brute, taller than Loken.

What? He's wearing Cataphractii TDA.

 Daba wrote:
Allowing them to make the primarchs so huge was a mistake. Space Marines are already meant to be a lot larger than a normal human, and would look like an imposing, big guy. Having a Primarch land and be this huge guy who can't get through doors is dumb.

It's like some authors inserted their magical realm fetish into the books and it spread.

They have to stand out. The models are just fancy gaming pieces designed to grab attention.

Is possible to make a guy stand out without him being 18 feet tall...

 insaniak wrote:
Is possible to make a guy stand out without him being 18 feet tall...

In a realistic game perhaps? This is hero scale, abstract wargaming.

They managed it in 2nd edition and fantasy battle, where they [heroic characters] were wackier and arguably stronger.

They could easily write it into fluff

Normal Marine: 6'11
Primarch: 7'

which clearly shows how much huger a primarch is.

The new Abaddon model is in the scale Primarchs should have been (and thus right scale for Abaddon, as he's supposed to be primarch-sized.) He looks like a really big guy in 40K scale, instead of a model of some game using different scale accidentally placed next to 40K models like the Primarchs do.

It’s correct in the sense that the model is awesome and he’s the biggest non Primarch human.

The scale in 40k isn’t anything close to true scale. For example, rhinos are way too small. In fact just about every space marine vehicle with transport capacity is too small.

They’re gaming models, not archival blueprints of stuff. People get too caught up with scale. I’m more concerned with the model looking cool and not having weird and ugly proportions.