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Can this be used in any Space Marines faction/chapter? Basically can any army that was using the Regular Repulser use the Executioner variant?

I'd assume it can be used by Space Marines, Blood Angels, and Space Wolves. I'd be cautious about using it with death watch until GW specificly says death watch can use it

Azeroth wrote:
Can this be used in any Space Marines faction/chapter? Basically can any army that was using the Regular Repulser use the Executioner variant?

Leaks of the booklet included in the boxes set suggest there is no rule allowing it to be taken by anyone other than Codex Space Marine chapters.

This is likely an oversight, that will be addressed in an FAQ. However by strict RAW it looks like Space Wolves, Blood Angels, and Dark Angels aren't technically allowed to use it until this is addressed.

 Stux wrote:

Azeroth wrote:
Can this be used in any Space Marines faction/chapter? Basically can any army that was using the Regular Repulser use the Executioner variant?

Leaks of the booklet included in the boxes set suggest there is no rule allowing it to be taken by anyone other than Codex Space Marine chapters.

This is likely an oversight, that will be addressed in an FAQ. However by strict RAW it looks like Space Wolves, Blood Angels, and Dark Angels aren't technically allowed to use it until this is addressed.

The data sheets that come in the boxes for all Primaris units list <CHAPTER> in the data sheet supplied but make no mention of anyone other than Codex Space Marine chapters.

I'd be inclined to just do it. There's no real reason why not to.

GW has always just done <chapter> on the datasheets for all primaris and has thus far allowed all of the main line chapters to take it. Generally speaking I think you're safe to take it but this is something you're definatly gonna wanna be worried about if you've got a rules lawyer in your local gaming group

BrianDavion wrote:
GW has always just done <chapter> on the datasheets for all primaris and has thus far allowed all of the main line chapters to take it. Generally speaking I think you're safe to take it but this is something you're definatly gonna wanna be worried about if you've got a rules lawyer in your local gaming group

Exactly. I am certain it will be allowed for the non codex chapters, it just technically isn't yet.

Deathwatch, not so certain of course.

GW won't hamstring their own sales of an egregiously priced model like that. Don't worry about it.

Don’t the Apocalypse rules for Deathwatch include the Executioner? I thought I saw that.

 Apple Peel wrote:
Don’t the Apocalypse rules for Deathwatch include the Executioner? I thought I saw that.

it does, as does the space wolves blood angels and dark angels. given these are the most offical "army lists" since the tank was introduced, it's a safe bet the tank is avaliable to space marines, space wolves, dark angels, blood angels and death watch

BrianDavion wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:
Don’t the Apocalypse rules for Deathwatch include the Executioner? I thought I saw that.

it does, as does the space wolves blood angels and dark angels. given these are the most offical "army lists" since the tank was introduced, it's a safe bet the tank is avaliable to space marines, space wolves, dark angels, blood angels and death watch

Well, that it will be.

As silly as it may seem, it's not a rule until the rule exists. But as I say, I'm certain it will be a rule.

The question becomes, as always, does the lack of a rule (which is obviously coming) matter? Will you run into someone who says "nah, sorry mate. You can't run that until they FAQ it.". Or do you think a Tournament Organizer will say "nah, sorry, not legal.". The answer is likely no, so does it even matter?

It obviously matters even less if you're not playing pick-up games or tournaments.

 Elbows wrote:
The question becomes, as always, does the lack of a rule (which is obviously coming) matter? Will you run into someone who says "nah, sorry mate. You can't run that until they FAQ it.". Or do you think a Tournament Organizer will say "nah, sorry, not legal.". The answer is likely no, so does it even matter?

It obviously matters even less if you're not playing pick-up games or tournaments.

That will depend entirely on your group/the organiser.

In a pick up game, I wouldn't have a problem with Space Wolves using it and that probably would go for the majority of people.

Of course, this might be a total non-issue. The model isn't actually released for a couple of days yet, GW still have time to release something for launch!

Forgive me if this is a silly question, but what rule states that <CHAPTER> doesn't refer to those units? Intercessors say <CHAPTER> in the box, does that mean Blood Angels can't use them?

Lemondish wrote:
Forgive me if this is a silly question, but what rule states that <CHAPTER> doesn't refer to those units? Intercessors say <CHAPTER> in the box, does that mean Blood Angels can't use them?

It's in the Space Marine Codex, it explicitly says <CHAPTER> cannot be Dark Angels etc.

However, Intercessors and many other units ARE in the Dark Angels Codex, with the DARK ANGELS keyword. There are a few specific units like Centurions and Storm Talons that aren't in the DA codex, so they can't take them.

Same deal for Wolves and Blood Angels of course.

Holy emperor we need to consolidate the marine books!

We need nothing.

And gw will not consolidate anything.

 fraser1191 wrote:
Holy emperor we need to consolidate the marine books!

no we don't.


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Not Online!!! wrote:
We need nothing.

And gw will not consolidate anything.

people need to stop demanding GW squat lines. everytime someone does what they follow it up with is "SO GW CAN RANDOMLY GIVE MY FAVORITE FACTION MORE STUFF"

so far all rpimaris releases have been unified, hasn't chanegd a thing

Gw will not squat any mainline gw army, just because they can sell you more rules that way.
It's the same basic reason why we even have that many SM (x) chapters around and chaos won't be better by the end.

I am against squating btw but consolidated rules complied in fewer books would be something i'd like.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Gw will not squat any mainline gw army, just because they can sell you more rules that way.
It's the same basic reason why we even have that many SM (x) chapters around and chaos won't be better by the end.

I am against squating btw but consolidated rules complied in fewer books would be something i'd like.

Honestly, “Codex: We Follow the Codex Astartes” and “Codex: We don’t Follow the Codex Astartes (but we aren’t specialists like DW and GK)” would go along way.


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And then “Codex: Specialist Marines.”

 Apple Peel wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Gw will not squat any mainline gw army, just because they can sell you more rules that way.
It's the same basic reason why we even have that many SM (x) chapters around and chaos won't be better by the end.

I am against squating btw but consolidated rules complied in fewer books would be something i'd like.

Honestly, “Codex: We Follow the Codex Astartes” and “Codex: We don’t Follow the Codex Astartes (but we aren’t specialists like DW and GK)” would go along way.

No, because that would cut 1 book and lead to two slightly more expensive books that still don't make the money the 3-4 smaller ones made.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Gw will not squat any mainline gw army, just because they can sell you more rules that way.
It's the same basic reason why we even have that many SM (x) chapters around and chaos won't be better by the end.

I am against squating btw but consolidated rules complied in fewer books would be something i'd like.

Honestly, “Codex: We Follow the Codex Astartes” and “Codex: We don’t Follow the Codex Astartes (but we aren’t specialists like DW and GK)” would go along way.

No, because that would cut 1 book and lead to two slightly more expensive books that still don't make the money the 3-4 smaller ones made.

I’m speaking for us, not GW.

I know but matter of fact is that selling rules is a big part of their buisness.
There exist 90 + documents for the game for a reason.

Personally you could've gone for Chaos with a non got aligned book (go a bit more indepth there, sell the odd upgrade sprue here) and a book for the 4 god aligned ones.

But no we will instead get 4 books for the 4 god legions, 1 for renegades called Vigilus ablaze and another one for the run of the Mill csm legions, which theorethically should've been unique but are now UM 2.0 vanilla.

 Apple Peel wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Gw will not squat any mainline gw army, just because they can sell you more rules that way.
It's the same basic reason why we even have that many SM (x) chapters around and chaos won't be better by the end.

I am against squating btw but consolidated rules complied in fewer books would be something i'd like.

Honestly, “Codex: We Follow the Codex Astartes” and “Codex: We don’t Follow the Codex Astartes (but we aren’t specialists like DW and GK)” would go along way.

No, because that would cut 1 book and lead to two slightly more expensive books that still don't make the money the 3-4 smaller ones made.

I’m speaking for us, not GW.

and just who is this "us" that wants to see space wolves and black tempalrs magicly share a codex "CAUSE REASONS" who wants to see blood angels share a codex with codex space marines "cause they're not differant eneugh"?

I bet it's not the majority of people who play those armies. Ask Black Templar fans who they feel about being folded into codex space marines.

BrianDavion wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:
Holy emperor we need to consolidate the marine books!

no we don't.


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Not Online!!! wrote:
We need nothing.

And gw will not consolidate anything.

people need to stop demanding GW squat lines. everytime someone does what they follow it up with is "SO GW CAN RANDOMLY GIVE MY FAVORITE FACTION MORE STUFF"

so far all rpimaris releases have been unified, hasn't chanegd a thing

I volunteer ba and sw as tribute.

Not Online!!! wrote:

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 Apple Peel wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Gw will not squat any mainline gw army, just because they can sell you more rules that way.
It's the same basic reason why we even have that many SM (x) chapters around and chaos won't be better by the end.

I am against squating btw but consolidated rules complied in fewer books would be something i'd like.

Honestly, “Codex: We Follow the Codex Astartes” and “Codex: We don’t Follow the Codex Astartes (but we aren’t specialists like DW and GK)” would go along way.

No, because that would cut 1 book and lead to two slightly more expensive books that still don't make the money the 3-4 smaller ones made.

I’m speaking for us, not GW.

I know but matter of fact is that selling rules is a big part of their buisness.
There exist 90 + documents for the game for a reason.

Personally you could've gone for Chaos with a non got aligned book (go a bit more indepth there, sell the odd upgrade sprue here) and a book for the 4 god aligned ones.

But no we will instead get 4 books for the 4 god legions, 1 for renegades called Vigilus ablaze and another one for the run of the Mill csm legions, which theorethically should've been unique but are now UM 2.0 vanilla.

Im not gonna dive into Chaos right now. That’s a bad can o’ worms.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Gw will not squat any mainline gw army, just because they can sell you more rules that way.
It's the same basic reason why we even have that many SM (x) chapters around and chaos won't be better by the end.

I am against squating btw but consolidated rules complied in fewer books would be something i'd like.

Honestly, “Codex: We Follow the Codex Astartes” and “Codex: We don’t Follow the Codex Astartes (but we aren’t specialists like DW and GK)” would go along way.

No, because that would cut 1 book and lead to two slightly more expensive books that still don't make the money the 3-4 smaller ones made.

I’m speaking for us, not GW.

and just who is this "us" that wants to see space wolves and black tempalrs magicly share a codex "CAUSE REASONS" who wants to see blood angels share a codex with codex space marines "cause they're not differant eneugh"?

I bet it's not the majority of people who play those armies. Ask Black Templar fans who they feel about being folded into codex space marines.

When I refer to “us”—as in the consumer in the context of combining the codexes, I’m speaking as if what may be the best way to do that for “us.”
I haven’t said anything about SW and BT being in the same codex nor BA in with vanilla.

I advocate keeping the current vanilla codex as is. The non-codex followers that aren’t specialist faction get rolled into one. They each have pretty much the same information that they have in the books currently, but there aren’t three different sets of data sheets—rather one data sheet per (universal) unit. Formatting may have to be fiddled with, but specific options like restricted weapons for different factions would be noted off to the the bottom. Then, each faction would get a section for its unique units.

Boo boo, Militarum Tempestus got folded into Astra Militarum. Not the happiest, but I get over it.

Boo boo, Militarum Tempestus got folded into Astra Militarum. Not the happiest, but I get over it.

Militarium tempestus was never really it's own codex though, it was a blatent money grab, I mean seriously... they never had anything unique to them. the MT units where always in codex IG.

Oh look! It's this conversation... Again.

 Ginjitzu wrote:
Oh look! It's this conversation... Again.

it's the useal "consolidate the codeices because then my army will get new releases" argument. thing is.. it's not the case at all. Primaris Marines have been pretty much "for all flavors of space marine" since 8th started, the grand total of blood angels and dark angels releases has been a single model. and space wolves got a single model in a special box. thats not much at all. Eldar and Necrons have gotten as much. if you wanna look at who got the lion's share of the new models this edition there's definatly a pattern, but the pattern isn't "space marines have gotten new models" it's "new armies have gotten new models"
Whose gotten new models this edition? well let's see whose gotten more then a token character model?
Deathguard, Primaris Space Marines (essentially a faction within a faction) Custodes, Admech, Imperial Knights, Genestealer Cults, Chaos Deamons, Chaos Space Marines, and Orks.

Of these the Lion's share are new armies. Meanwhile Orks, Chaos marines and Chaos deamons indicate that GW will be updating old armies still but a LOT of the attention is on newer armies, getting them things needed to flesh them out, bringing them up to speed etc. it seems pretty clear to me that GW has detirmined new armies sell. I don't see them cutting down on Marine codices, in fact I think it's more likely we'll see new spin off codices And admittingly a "Sons of Dorn" codex could be pretty neat

BrianDavion wrote:

Boo boo, Militarum Tempestus got folded into Astra Militarum. Not the happiest, but I get over it.

Militarium tempestus was never really it's own codex though, it was a blatent money grab, I mean seriously... they never had anything unique to them. the MT units where always in codex IG.

Militarum Tempestus has a completely different play style than standard guard. Your models are more valuable and less expendable. You’re using surgical strikes and suicide drops with high stakes odds compared to meat grinder lots-of-bodies.

Someone may need to remind me, but weren’t Black Templars just choppy marines with some fancy movement and a few relics?


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Also had some unique orders and warlord traits, now I think about it.

 Apple Peel wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Boo boo, Militarum Tempestus got folded into Astra Militarum. Not the happiest, but I get over it.

Militarium tempestus was never really it's own codex though, it was a blatent money grab, I mean seriously... they never had anything unique to them. the MT units where always in codex IG.

Militarum Tempestus has a completely different play style than standard guard. Your models are more valuable and less expendable. You’re using surgical strikes and suicide drops with high stakes odds compared to meat grinder lots-of-bodies.

Someone may need to remind me, but weren’t Black Templars just choppy marines with some fancy movement and a few relics?

Sure and I'm not saying MT cou;dn't be it's own army, (although really you just described space Marines when you described how they differed from Guard ) just that the MT codex released like 2 weeks before the guard codex which included all the units and rules from codex MT, more or less. the codex really was more a short term attempt to garner money. don't get me wrong I think that's a shame and if MT was spun off from IG next edition and had their range expanded a bit I'd be all over it. my point though is that MT isn't terriably comparable as GW never intended MT to be stand alone. so it's not really fair to compare it to a codex that has existed for over 20 years.