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Which of these two monsters will win the fight? The Lords of Changes are the most powerful psykers of the demons, but can the average Lord of Changes (that is, we do not take Kairos, the strongest of them) to win Maleceptor 1x1? I heard that a single Maleceptor was able to overwhelm Tigurius with minimal effort (until he channeled the light of the Astronomicon into its face through Malcador’s staff) and three together were able to crush Mephiston’s power so completely that he was effectively comatose for the rest of the Cryptus campaign. It is impressive

Theorically speaking, the Lord of Change is a much more powerful psykers in addition to be physically much more mighty. The advantage of the Maleceptor rest on the ability of the Shadow in the Warp to basically nerf enemy psykers and make demons more unstabble. The Maleceptor greatest power is to reduce people brain into mush, but the Lord of Change doesn't have a mortal's brain neither does insanity seems to be such an issue for insane creatures. I would give the Lord of Change winner simply because of those characteristics, but the Maleceptor itself is ideally suited to defeat sorcerers, witches and rogue psykers that would be capable of summoning the Lord of Change.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sondheim_V
"Carnifexes battled Bloodthirsters in the streets whilst Zoanthropes conducted psychic duels with Lords of Change."
It seems like that even zoanthropes can give battle to the lords of change (although, perhaps, Zoanthropes were just more, but it says about duel) and Maleceptor, as far as I know, is more powerful than Zoanthrope
The Maleceptor may not be able to destroy the demon's brain, but what about the good old lightning?

Psychic duels just means they were being caught out in 1:1 battles with Lords of Change, which is really not how Tyranids like to fight their battles. A Behemoth Maleceptor is not going to do well against a Lord of Change because the Lord of Change will have prepared the fight to be in its favour, as well as a daemon can against such a psychic monstrosity. Against a Kronos Maleceptor, that Lord of Change is going to be hurled back into the Warp.

If you read tyranid fluff. You literally can not use psychic powers inside of the shadow in the warp. Tyranid powers are not psychic. They are literally powers of the hive mind (basically telepathy powers). This means tyranids win vs demons in every conceivable situation.

This would mean that demons immediately dematerialize in the Shadow of the Warp, non-DE Eldar equipment ceases to function, and any Psker-capable beings become blanks. The second they step into the Shadow of the Warp.

This suggests that it's not as simple as psychic powers being 100% unusable inside the Shadow of the Warp. Otherwise, there would be 0 stories of Demons and Nids fighting.

Further, the Doom of Malanti shows that Nids *do* interact with psykers psykicly. It's core to that story. While that unit doesn't exist, Malanti, it's doom, and the Grey Knight/Iyanden standoff are still canon. That plotline makes 0 sense if *either* (a), psyker powers were impossible in the Shadow of the Warp, or (b), Nids didn't use pskic powers.

We often get conflicting lore, but there's a lot more that says "Nids interact with the Warp" than "Nids close off the warp and don't use it".

If you read the Tyranids fluff it's just difficult to use the Shadow in the Warp because of all the Tyranid psychic activity, with psykers speaking in alien tongues and being driven insane by the voices in their heads and so on. They're not blanks or pariahs, but simply very psychically active on a level that most psykers aren't used to, which is why they drown out astro-telepathy and blot out the Astronomicon.

Chief Librarian Tigurius is held up in the fluff as one of the guys that not only survived, but managed to wield his powers.

Bharring wrote:
This would mean that demons immediately dematerialize in the Shadow of the Warp, non-DE Eldar equipment ceases to function, and any Psker-capable beings become blanks. The second they step into the Shadow of the Warp.

This suggests that it's not as simple as psychic powers being 100% unusable inside the Shadow of the Warp. Otherwise, there would be 0 stories of Demons and Nids fighting.

Further, the Doom of Malanti shows that Nids *do* interact with psykers psykicly. It's core to that story. While that unit doesn't exist, Malanti, it's doom, and the Grey Knight/Iyanden standoff are still canon. That plotline makes 0 sense if *either* (a), psyker powers were impossible in the Shadow of the Warp, or (b), Nids didn't use pskic powers.

We often get conflicting lore, but there's a lot more that says "Nids interact with the Warp" than "Nids close off the warp and don't use it".

Eldar tech doesn't rely on psychic powers to function though. Spirit stones have a physical link to the equipment.

Notably the Atlas Infernal in Rob Sanders' execrable book of the same name starring Inquisitor Czevak has a nasty effect on psykers and wraithbone.

 Xenomancers wrote:

Bharring wrote:
This would mean that demons immediately dematerialize in the Shadow of the Warp, non-DE Eldar equipment ceases to function, and any Psker-capable beings become blanks. The second they step into the Shadow of the Warp.

This suggests that it's not as simple as psychic powers being 100% unusable inside the Shadow of the Warp. Otherwise, there would be 0 stories of Demons and Nids fighting.

Further, the Doom of Malanti shows that Nids *do* interact with psykers psykicly. It's core to that story. While that unit doesn't exist, Malanti, it's doom, and the Grey Knight/Iyanden standoff are still canon. That plotline makes 0 sense if *either* (a), psyker powers were impossible in the Shadow of the Warp, or (b), Nids didn't use pskic powers.

We often get conflicting lore, but there's a lot more that says "Nids interact with the Warp" than "Nids close off the warp and don't use it".

Eldar tech doesn't rely on psychic powers to function though. Spirit stones have a physical link to the equipment.

Much of Eldar (CWE, not DE) tech uses a psykic interface. Not every Eldar is wielding Farseer-level power on the battlefield, but they are innately psykic, and use it to use their tools/weapons. This is one of the reasons DE had to reinvent *everything* after the fall (the other being that, while they can *use* Wraithbone/steel/etc, they can't create it in the Dark City).


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Nurglitch wrote:
Notably the Atlas Infernal in Rob Sanders' execrable book of the same name starring Inquisitor Czevak has a nasty effect on psykers and wraithbone.

Cliff notes version? Not familiar.

Cliff notes version? Not familiar.

Czevak part escapes, part is released from the black library.
He steals a book (the aformentioned atlas) en route, which is relic of the Imperial Webway campaign and shows some routes through the webway. It may be made of sister-of-silence skins, hence the pariah effect.

He spends most of the rest of the book being chased by Ahriman and bits of the rest of the Inquisition (in fairness to the latter, he does keep stealing stuff off them).

I thought the book wasnt bad