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Hi Guys,

this is just a minor suggestion, and wont break the flier spam concept, but I think it will at least hurt it slightly while being within the spirit of the rules GW have already provided.

I propose that boots on the ground is extended for ITC purposes to prevent fliers from contributing to scoring any secondaries which require board control, such as recon, or behind enemy lines or old schools line breaker, this I believe is a logical progression from fliers being unable to hold or contest objectives due to their jet-like nature.

What do you guys think?

Please note this isn't an invitation for a discussion of the relative merits of different mission packs, but only this specific change to the ITC system.

Technically, i think you mean to say units with the 'Airbourne' and 'Supersonic' keywords cannot score objectives, don't count for boots on the ground, and do not contribute to board control objectives.

I can dig it.

Of course, but I assumed my audience being relatively astute individuals could perceive my meaning, so perfect technical terminology would be un-necessary, as this isn't a formal submission of a ruling.

secretForge wrote:
Of course, but I assumed my audience being relatively astute individuals could perceive my meaning, so perfect technical terminology would be un-necessary, as this isn't a formal submission of a ruling.

That is fair. But there are certainly people who might jump on your for it.

Anyway. I think its overall a fine idea.

So, I have you with flyers can't capture points, but you've lost me with flyers don't count for backfield objectives and the like.

You're attempting to neuter flyer spam, which is fine, but you would be needlessly hurting other army lists that don't contribute to this problem.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So, I have you with flyers can't capture points, but you've lost me with flyers don't count for backfield objectives and the like.

You're attempting to neuter flyer spam, which is fine, but you would be needlessly hurting other army lists that don't contribute to this problem.

Any modification to flyers is going to affect all the lists that run them, no matter how many are ran. The same is true for most rules change, you fix one thing and it still affects other things around it.

Recon is too easy to obtain with flyers, people would just adapt and pick other secondaries. and highly mobile armies like Drukhari would still be able to pick recon and get it relatively easily

Well indeed it would slightly punish all fliers. By stopping them from doing something which produces a lot of ludo narrative dissonance.

But as they gain such easy access to these secondaries currently, I feel like its a price that Id be more than willing to pay, to not only nerf a spam, but also remove an incentive to the most mobile models in the game of being able to have very easy scoring potential.

And I think its reasonable in the narrative to not allow fliers to achieve things like line breaker, or even recon (though this one is more arguable).

Plus its a nerf that again doesnt actually effect anyones ability to run what they currently run, only their flexibility in easily getting secondaries, while those not spamming fliers will be less effected as their ability to get secondaries because they had an army that was doing stuff already.

It's not all flyers that are causing problems.

It's the OP eldar flyers backed by OP wave serpents. No other army is spamming Airborne (or whatever GW is calling supersonic flyers) meaning that it isn't a generic Flyer problem but more a specific OP model problem.

Yes, but I'm looking for solutions which don't require actually editing the game, but rather editing a 3rd party format.

And realistically this solution doesn't massively effect other armies fliers, because no one else is spamming them in quantities where relying on them for half of their secondaries is a valid strategy.

And I believe its within the spirit of the original flier nerf from GW, preventing them from capturing objectives. Its just the ITC format provides a lot of options for location based scoring which GWs scope of scoring in missions doesn't really account for.

So, ITC represents less than 10% of the total player base. If you are not playing ITC, just house rule it...or did I misunderstand you, and you want to alter ITC?

A house rule is a pretty bad idea, the Championship Missions is the premiere tournament format in the world and lots of people that play that format attend tournaments and expect their games to help prepare them for tournaments. I haven't played much recently and never against anything more than 4 Flyers. I can see how it is frustrating, I think Reece has said that he wasn't a big fan of Flyer spam, changing the secondary missions to hurt Flyers wouldn't be out of the question.