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I'm kitbashing the Blood Drinker's chapter master, Orloc, out of a FW BA Praetor model and a jump pack bits. I was looking at the rules options for HQ's in the Blood Angel's codex, and it looks like playing a Captain with jump pack/relic blade/master-crafter bolter will match the model and character pretty well. He is a chapter master though, so for friendly games I wanted to swap 'rites of battle's for the 'chapter master's ability, and give the model an extra wound.

How many points would that be worth? I was thinking maybe 25-35 points and 1-2 PL?

3 CP or 35 pts. It helps that you didn't choose TH SS, that being said re-rolling all 2s is a 17% increase on the base damage done by nearby BA units. PL is pts/20 so it'd be 2 if you decide the pts cost of the ability and wound to be 30+ pts, I imagine the PL is already relatively low compared to his pts cost, but it could just be 1 PL.

I'd go with the CP route because then you can use the same list against opponents that allow it and those that don't.

2 PL sounds about right, thanks. And running him as a normal smash captain sometimes seems fine. I've heard they're pretty good

Forgive me if I'm missing the point, but why not just use the official 3CP Stratagem that allows you to turn a Captain into a Chapter Master, with the appropriate aura?

CHAPTER MASTER (3CP)

Space Marines Stratagem

Chapter Masters are some of the greatest military minds in the galaxy, able to inspire their men to acts of legendary valour.

Use this Stratagem before the battle. Select an ADEPTUS ASTARTES Captain in your army. Replace this model’s CAPTAIN keyword with CHAPTER MASTER and replace his Rites of Battle ability with the following ability: ‘Chapter Master: You can re-roll any failed hit rolls for friendly <CHAPTER> units within 6" of this model.’ You can only use this Stratagem once and your army cannot include two CHAPTER MASTERS from the same Chapter.

RevlidRas wrote:
Forgive me if I'm missing the point, but why not just use the official 3CP Stratagem that allows you to turn a Captain into a Chapter Master, with the appropriate aura?

CHAPTER MASTER (3CP)

Space Marines Stratagem

Chapter Masters are some of the greatest military minds in the galaxy, able to inspire their men to acts of legendary valour.

Use this Stratagem before the battle. Select an ADEPTUS ASTARTES Captain in your army. Replace this model’s CAPTAIN keyword with CHAPTER MASTER and replace his Rites of Battle ability with the following ability: ‘Chapter Master: You can re-roll any failed hit rolls for friendly <CHAPTER> units within 6" of this model.’ You can only use this Stratagem once and your army cannot include two CHAPTER MASTERS from the same Chapter.

^ This

also, for the extra wound points - just give him an extra attack and an extra wound, and use the Primaris captain points value.

Because that's not available to Blood Angels, if I recall correctly.

If it's only for friendly games, and its home-brew special rules this seems to be the best approach.

 JNAProductions wrote:
Because that's not available to Blood Angels, if I recall correctly.

Oh, I see! That's a bit of an oversight, given those rules can also represent BA successor chapters without a named Master, but given you're houseruling already I'd still suggest running with that instead of creating an entirely new datasheet.

RevlidRas wrote:
Forgive me if I'm missing the point, but why not just use the official 3CP Stratagem that allows you to turn a Captain into a Chapter Master, with the appropriate aura?

CHAPTER MASTER (3CP)

Space Marines Stratagem

Chapter Masters are some of the greatest military minds in the galaxy, able to inspire their men to acts of legendary valour.

Use this Stratagem before the battle. Select an ADEPTUS ASTARTES Captain in your army. Replace this model’s CAPTAIN keyword with CHAPTER MASTER and replace his Rites of Battle ability with the following ability: ‘Chapter Master: You can re-roll any failed hit rolls for friendly <CHAPTER> units within 6" of this model.’ You can only use this Stratagem once and your army cannot include two CHAPTER MASTERS from the same Chapter.

Oh! Thanks. I did not know that existed. A mentioned above, it's not in the BA's codex. Successor chapters in the BA codex are something of an afterthought. They're mentioned in one page in the fluff, can't take any of the names characters, and can only take one of the relics. I'm not sure how codexes SW and DA are about this.

With that said, in narrative games, most people would probably be fine with letting me pull that in.

It's almost as though the Angels codices were always poorly executed and they need to be consolidated into the main codex. What do I know though?

BilboSwaggins wrote:

RevlidRas wrote:
Forgive me if I'm missing the point, but why not just use the official 3CP Stratagem that allows you to turn a Captain into a Chapter Master, with the appropriate aura?

CHAPTER MASTER (3CP)

Space Marines Stratagem

Chapter Masters are some of the greatest military minds in the galaxy, able to inspire their men to acts of legendary valour.

Use this Stratagem before the battle. Select an ADEPTUS ASTARTES Captain in your army. Replace this model’s CAPTAIN keyword with CHAPTER MASTER and replace his Rites of Battle ability with the following ability: ‘Chapter Master: You can re-roll any failed hit rolls for friendly <CHAPTER> units within 6" of this model.’ You can only use this Stratagem once and your army cannot include two CHAPTER MASTERS from the same Chapter.

Oh! Thanks. I did not know that existed. A mentioned above, it's not in the BA's codex. Successor chapters in the BA codex are something of an afterthought. They're mentioned in one page in the fluff, can't take any of the names characters, and can only take one of the relics. I'm not sure how codexes SW and DA are about this.

With that said, in narrative games, most people would probably be fine with letting me pull that in.

I think the majority of players, outside tournaments, would see no problem with you using that strat on a BA list if it were necessary for your model.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
It's almost as though the Angels codices were always poorly executed and they need to be consolidated into the main codex. What do I know though?

It's not like the main codex is well done is it? BA deserved a separate codex IMO, or maybe a bunch of specialist detachments. I think you could just not have any codices and just have everything be specialist detachments and that could probably work since then you'd have 1-3 specialist Detachments each game and that might not be too hard to go through.

 vict0988 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
It's almost as though the Angels codices were always poorly executed and they need to be consolidated into the main codex. What do I know though?

It's not like the main codex is well done is it? BA deserved a separate codex IMO, or maybe a bunch of specialist detachments. I think you could just not have any codices and just have everything be specialist detachments and that could probably work since then you'd have 1-3 specialist Detachments each game and that might not be too hard to go through.

Neither is done well, and that's because of GWs need to make people pay for multiple codices when not necessary.
1. Each Chapter gets only 3-4 unique units
2. Consolidate certain units and equipment for general use
Bam, done. Now you can start internally balancing a codex instead of treating it like a separate army when it doesn't deserve to be.

The easiest route would be to look at the cost of a normal actual Chapter Master.

Use that stat-line, use that cost. Then add 10 points if you've got a jump pack, and then maybe a 10 point "I made this up" tax. Pay for your wargear and you're set.

If you need to swap or create some minor special rules, do so with the goal of keeping them on the same "strength" of the listed chapter master. Again if you think you've gone a little stronger than the sample you're basing it on - add 5-10 points tax to it.

Home-made characters and units are 50% of the time okay, and 50% of the time overpowered garbage. If you're unsure, that's why I suggest a tax...because if you're new to running home-made characters, the last thing you want is for them to over-perform your expectations and then be cheap. So pay that tax to make sure there's not much room for arguing that you made a strong under-costed unit.

My current home-made Chapter Master is a little on the underwhelming side, but he's 140 points.