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Voss wrote:

 Flinty wrote:
Eisenhorn eats salt pork in Hereticus. Its for breakfast with eggs, so the implication is that its bacon.

Salt pork isn't bacon. It doesn't become bacon regardless of when you eat it or how many eggs are nearby.

Sure but its served as an equivalent. Salted grox for breakfast is Not!Bacon. Cain's hot grox bun is a ham sandwich or hamburger equivalent.


Its not a pig or a cow but they'll use its meat in all the same ways because if they just said Vice Admiral Klausensteel ate a BLT, it doesn't have the same gravitas.

 Ratius wrote:
Nearly certain I recall a pic from 2nd ed of an Inquisitor(?) with a cat or cat type creature beside him.

gyrinx - psychic Xenos cat familiars -also see

Nearly certain I recall a pic from 2nd ed of an Inquisitor(?) with a cat or cat type creature beside him.


gyrinx - psychic Xenos cat familiars -also see

Yup was thinking of him too.

Now Im going mad on google trying to find the pic I remember.

I would say it would be safe to say that all species that humans have domesticated over the centuries still exist, at least on other planets. And many wild ones too I would guess due to terraforming projects elsewhere.

Remember that Terra was only ecologically devastated after the Horus Heresy, and then become the massive planet city we have today. There were still functional ecosystems at that point. Which means that Earth had functional ecosystems when humanity first left Earth to colonize the stars. And its only natural, indeed inevitable, that they brought animals and plants from Earth. Not just domestic animals either. If you're terraforming a barren planet, you'll need to transplant an entire ecosystem with you.

Logically, there should be hundreds, if not thousands, of Earth clones out there. At least in terms of their general fauna and flora.

Cows, Pigs, and Chickens most definitely will still exist somewhere. Even if they might have been supplanted by superior alien domestic livestock on large scale. Grox are the most commonly mentioned domestic animal for food in the lore, so they're probably a substitute for cows. But cows are useful for milk too, and Grox don't produce that(lizards), so cows probably still exist. Chickens and pigs are highly adaptable and efficient sources of meat/eggs.

Dogs and cats are mentioned in various books. People love their pets, and dogs also have utility uses. though of course as pets they've probably got some competition from many thousands of alien species.

Crocodiles are encountered in the space wolf omnibus. They've grown to monstrous sizes on the alien world they were on, enough to swallow a space marine whole, but they're still terran in origin.

 Grey Templar wrote:
I would say it would be safe to say that all species that humans have domesticated over the centuries still exist, at least on other planets. And many wild ones too I would guess due to terraforming projects elsewhere.

Remember that Terra was only ecologically devastated after the Horus Heresy, and then become the massive planet city we have today. There were still functional ecosystems at that point. Which means that Earth had functional ecosystems when humanity first left Earth to colonize the stars. And its only natural, indeed inevitable, that they brought animals and plants from Earth. Not just domestic animals either. If you're terraforming a barren planet, you'll need to transplant an entire ecosystem with you.

Logically, there should be hundreds, if not thousands, of Earth clones out there. At least in terms of their general fauna and flora.

Cows, Pigs, and Chickens most definitely will still exist somewhere. Even if they might have been supplanted by superior alien domestic livestock on large scale. Grox are the most commonly mentioned domestic animal for food in the lore, so they're probably a substitute for cows. But cows are useful for milk too, and Grox don't produce that(lizards), so cows probably still exist. Chickens and pigs are highly adaptable and efficient sources of meat/eggs.

Dogs and cats are mentioned in various books. People love their pets, and dogs also have utility uses. though of course as pets they've probably got some competition from many thousands of alien species.

Crocodiles are encountered in the space wolf omnibus. They've grown to monstrous sizes on the alien world they were on, enough to swallow a space marine whole, but they're still terran in origin.

There likely are animals we would call cows or whatever else. However. If you campare a a sheep or cow from say the middle ages, or a crop. It's very different.

What we call a pig in 10k years could be 4 times the size, cross bred with anything to increas yeild and versatility, or more.

Same with many farm animals. They could have stated out one way, but ended up much another.

 agurus1 wrote:
Was listening to Eisenhorn today while working and they specifically mention dining on freshly caught “crab” on Cadia?

given Cadia was scoured of life just before the Heresy it's a fair bet the entire eco system was introduced. I could see worlds being settled in the future with animals from earth being geneticly tweeked and tailored for the local enviroment. need a pack animal for ceti Alpha V, a cold world noted for being somewhat dry. take a camel and tweek it's genes to produce the Ceti Alphian Artic Camel. wou;ldn't suprise me to see this done in 40k, so many worlds have creatures we'd kinda reckongize as having orginiated on earth. but effectively tailored for the alien enviroment

I remember Talon of Horus mentioning a strange one. Some type of fowl or bird. Like a peacock or Turkey. It caught me off guard!

 =Angel= wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:
Wolves have survived on Fenris. Granted that's a sometimes different concept. But Fenris wolves have survived.

Magnus states that there are no wolves on fenris, heavily suggesting that what we call fenrisian wolves are in fact degenerated human fenrisian. The earliest settlers of Fenris genetically modified themselves to adapt to the environment, playing God with genetics. They never brought wolves in their spaceships, they merely fiddled with themselves and possibly xenobeasts.

The beasts that we call wolves are something else entirely, even though they take that form and tick a few boxes.

The Emperor himself says no to that in Wolfsbane.
Fenrisian Wolves are Xenos with a parallel evolutionary path, in spite of looking like a monstrous Wolf they have no Terran DNA.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 =Angel= wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:
Wolves have survived on Fenris. Granted that's a sometimes different concept. But Fenris wolves have survived.

Magnus states that there are no wolves on fenris, heavily suggesting that what we call fenrisian wolves are in fact degenerated human fenrisian. The earliest settlers of Fenris genetically modified themselves to adapt to the environment, playing God with genetics. They never brought wolves in their spaceships, they merely fiddled with themselves and possibly xenobeasts.

The beasts that we call wolves are something else entirely, even though they take that form and tick a few boxes.

The Emperor himself says no to that in Wolfsbane.
Fenrisian Wolves are Xenos with a parallel evolutionary path, in spite of looking like a monstrous Wolf they have no Terran DNA.

Got a quote for that?

Not on me, my copy is out on loan.
But it's in the prologue so it isn't exactly hard to find when you get your hands on the book.
Pretty cool little chapter about Horus being jealous about this upstart killing his only child status and stealing some of Father's attention...my older sister hated me for the same reason.

pm713 wrote:
Got a quote for that?

Horus stared at the barbarian king. No fraternal feeling came to him. Instead he was flooded with dismay. By his brother's feet lay two enormous animals one a grey so glossy it was almost silver, the other black. They appeared to have no difficulty accepting their new environment and slept easily on the floor. 'Are those actual wolves?' Horus said, fascinated despite himself. 'After a fashion,' said the Emperor. He spared His son a brief, benevolent look. 'They resemble the animals of Old Earth, though l think you would find the Terran species disappointingly small if you ever saw one.' 'They look like wolves,' said Horus. He thought of his own Legion's badge, and his warriors' lupine affectations. They seemed trite and false by comparison to the men below. They were human wolves, walking on two feet. 'They live with wolves?' he said. 'They believe themselves kin to them. Wolves are important to their culture,' said the Emperor.

(OT - There's another interesting quote a bit further on suggesting Fenris was engineered to be a Viking fantasy world: )

It is a beautiful, savage place of ice, fire and monsters. A charming experiment in reconstructed mythologies.' 'What do you mean?' 'Fenris is a relic from the days before Old Night.' Rarely did the Emperor refer to the past, even so obliquely as that.

That doesn't say that they're xenos (which would be stupid), merely that they're not the same than the terran wolves of the old. They can still have been evolved from them, just like chihuahuas.

Would be kinda funny if Fenris was a Dark Age Of Tech version of a Viking Mythos/Jurassic Park mashup for tourists and after Old Night the poor staff were left to fend for themselves on a planet full of monsters purpose built as attractions.

It’s entirely possible that it’s an amusement park gone wrong. Or at least a unique vanity project.

Terra was utterly transformed well before the Heresy (Mars even had the chance to be terraformed, and then ruined long before the Machine cult arose). The oceans boiled away during the Dark Age - Unification War Terra is kind of the Mad Max version.

 agurus1 wrote:
Would be kinda funny if Fenris was a Dark Age Of Tech version of a Viking Mythos/Jurassic Park mashup for tourists and after Old Night the poor staff were left to fend for themselves on a planet full of monsters purpose built as attractions.

Westworld meets 40k

Gyrinx are xenos, but the Inquisition war series does feature an actual 'cat' - a persian, specifically.
Everyone except its owner and the inquisitor assumes it's some wierd xenos beastie.

The inquisitors handbook mentions that the biological element of the nervous system in cherubim comes from cats, birds, etc. (leading to the occasional feral cherubim)