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Theoretically, if a rebellious Planetary Governor decided to embrace the imperial truth over the church state religion that is active now. Would he get support from Guilliman (Who would also feel this way.)? Or would Roboute feel pragmatic and not pick a fight with the ecclesiarcy over one system.

Bobby G would likely remove said official, albeit with some internal angst. Even he isn't entirely sure about how true the Imperial Truth was and how to view what the emperor is now.

You would be forced to convert. To have no faith in the Emperor is to court chaos. Its highly likely that a purely reason based society would be full of techno-heresy. So if he did decide to protect them he would likely also piss off the inquisition...a lot.

it'd proably be handled witrhout gulliman, those types of things are essentially beneath him

I think he would love to see a secular wave of reason overtake the Imperium. I think he also knows it would be a bloody, brutal affair, and that now is not the best time. The church acts as glue to hold everything together. In time, things can shift. But a spark is not wanted at this time.

If he was in a spot to do something, I think he would try to crush it in such a way to preserve the resources involved and keep the seeds for future events. Appease the eclisiarchy, maintain the status quo, but set things up for the long game. And that’s something he is quite good at.

How? I have no idea. But I’m not a genius demi-god.

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 Nevelon wrote:
I think he would love to see a secular wave of reason overtake the Imperium. I think he also knows it would be a bloody, brutal affair, and that now is not the best time. The church acts as glue to hold everything together. In time, things can shift. But a spark is not wanted at this time.

If he was in a spot to do something, I think he would try to crush it in such a way to preserve the resources involved and keep the seeds for future events. Appease the eclisiarchy, maintain the status quo, but set things up for the long game. And that’s something he is quite good at.

How? I have no idea. But I’m not a genius demi-god.

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Secular reason was extremely bad IMO. Chaos will always be there...to try to get rid of it is folly. The truth is the faith in the emperor is good in 40k, look at the sisters of battle they are extremely resistant to chaos due to their fanaticism if you believed in nothing you would be even more likely to be corrupted. It also means that if you have faith you actively as a species create a "emperor" in the warp that will protect you...rather than no faith and having no protection.

I would be interested to know your reasoning for thinking it would be good...unless your just thinking tech and i can't argue with that!

Highly doubt such a scenario would occur given that Guilliman is not actively going around spreading the Imperial Truth (which he knows is a lie), and even may be wavering and starting to read the Lectitio Divinitatus. He isn't converting to the Imperial religion but he certainly isn't acting to stamp it out either. A random person is not likely to spontaneously find out about the Imperial Truth and convert to it when it is a system of thought and belief over 10,000 years old, with maybe no material evidence of ever existing except for Guilliman saying so.

An analogy would be someone suddenly finding out about the Sumerian pantheon and converting to it, except that was a "mere" 4,000 years ago. More than double that time gap and you can get a picture of how hard it would be to find anything to convert to.

Rebel4ever85 wrote:
Secular reason was extremely bad IMO. Chaos will always be there...to try to get rid of it is folly. The truth is the faith in the emperor is good in 40k, look at the sisters of battle they are extremely resistant to chaos due to their fanaticism if you believed in nothing you would be even more likely to be corrupted. It also means that if you have faith you actively as a species create a "emperor" in the warp that will protect you...rather than no faith and having no protection.

I would be interested to know your reasoning for thinking it would be good...unless your just thinking tech and i can't argue with that!

Full disclosure: I’m not up to speed on all the HH, or modern fluff. I’ve read a chunk of it, but have huge gaps.

My understanding is that a society built on reason would basically starve the chaos gods. They feed off of emotions. If people thought things through in a logical manner, didn’t have irrational fears, etc, the fell powers would have a lot less to work with. With a webway network, there would be no need to use the warp, and chaos would not have the power or access to the real world. If they were not worshiped as gods (there are no gods in a secular society) there would be no cultists to summon them.

Cut off their fuel, cut off the access, ignore them. They will wither and die in the warp. Or at least be so lessened, as not to be a threat.

 Nevelon wrote:

Rebel4ever85 wrote:
Secular reason was extremely bad IMO. Chaos will always be there...to try to get rid of it is folly. The truth is the faith in the emperor is good in 40k, look at the sisters of battle they are extremely resistant to chaos due to their fanaticism if you believed in nothing you would be even more likely to be corrupted. It also means that if you have faith you actively as a species create a "emperor" in the warp that will protect you...rather than no faith and having no protection.

I would be interested to know your reasoning for thinking it would be good...unless your just thinking tech and i can't argue with that!

Full disclosure: I’m not up to speed on all the HH, or modern fluff. I’ve read a chunk of it, but have huge gaps.

My understanding is that a society built on reason would basically starve the chaos gods. They feed off of emotions. If people thought things through in a logical manner, didn’t have irrational fears, etc, the fell powers would have a lot less to work with. With a webway network, there would be no need to use the warp, and chaos would not have the power or access to the real world. If they were not worshiped as gods (there are no gods in a secular society) there would be no cultists to summon them.

Cut off their fuel, cut off the access, ignore them. They will wither and die in the warp. Or at least be so lessened, as not to be a threat.

That was Emp's big plan during the Great Crusade and it failed spectaculary.

Renouncing the Ecclesiarchy is a great way to get a bolter shell to the frontal lobe without having to pay for postage.

Full disclosure: I’m not up to speed on all the HH, or modern fluff. I’ve read a chunk of it, but have huge gaps.

My understanding is that a society built on reason would basically starve the chaos gods. They feed off of emotions. If people thought things through in a logical manner, didn’t have irrational fears, etc, the fell powers would have a lot less to work with. With a webway network, there would be no need to use the warp, and chaos would not have the power or access to the real world. If they were not worshiped as gods (there are no gods in a secular society) there would be no cultists to summon them.

Cut off their fuel, cut off the access, ignore them. They will wither and die in the warp. Or at least be so lessened, as not to be a threat.

The main problem is even thinking as logical as you can, you can't stop emotion so unless you go full necron chaos still gets fed. Now if you managed to remove emotion from everyone and only worked on logic you would you still be human? I would argue you would be more akin to the necrons. Not to mention that the logic and reason would create inquisitive minds and if they started to research the warp that would likely turn out badly.. as an open and logical mind is easily corrupted. Even AI can be corrupted fairly easy.

As I understand it...so long as life exists so will the chaos gods...and advanced minds with souls just amplify it.

Ultimately the Emperor's plan to deny Chaos using the Imperial Truth was to



That was the whole point of the Imperial Truth. With that dream shattered, keeping mankind from worshiping the Chaos gods by lifting himself up as divine is still probably the best the Emperor could do if he was up and walking around.