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HoundsofDemos wrote:
Correctly if I'm wrong but I recall Bobby G recalling the emperor speaking to him being both mentally and physically taxing and an over all unpleasant experience. If a Primarch is having physical discomfort with having what was portrayed as a fairly brief conversation, I'd imagine that anyone else trying to sort out what he's saying is going to end up bleeding out of their ears.

I think this is the only explanation as to why he's not been chatting away to Trajann, Calgar and the like for the past 10k years.

I feel like he's been left intentionally unable to interact with the world in any meaningful way because that makes for a better story. If he was god like in his abilities he would have forwarned half of the loyalist legions to get over to Cadia and send Abbadon packing. Rather than being caught with their pants down. They'd be much less uncertainty in the world if your god emperor could intervene at will.

Loosing Terra is a pretty big deal. Bureaucracy and a shared faith are all that holds the Imperium together, and Terra is the centre for both those things!

 Kroem wrote:
Loosing Terra is a pretty big deal. Bureaucracy and a shared faith are all that holds the Imperium together, and Terra is the centre for both those things!

Not to mention the Astronomicon and the largest Astropathic choir. Losing Terra wouldn't just be a cultural and spiritual loss, it would shatter the Imperium beyond even Guilliman's ability to hold together. Without communication and Navigation, there is no Imperium!

 Karhedron wrote:

 Kroem wrote:
Loosing Terra is a pretty big deal. Bureaucracy and a shared faith are all that holds the Imperium together, and Terra is the centre for both those things!

Not to mention the Astronomicon and the largest Astropathic choir. Losing Terra wouldn't just be a cultural and spiritual loss, it would shatter the Imperium beyond even Guilliman's ability to hold together. Without communication and Navigation, there is no Imperium!

But the rebirth of the starchild would solve all those issues. He would be the new astronomicon, the new guiding light. The new spiritual hub for humanity. If the theory came to pass it would save humanity from whatever befell it. That’s why it’s such a good story, it’s a domor die all or nothing gamble. Win it all or let the galaxy burn. And the way they have handled it means it is still as viable a theory as any, it could be a chaos conspiracy or the truth, or both at the same time.

For the chap before, in the theory the emperors soul drifted into the warp when horus basically killed him. The life support his body got allowed him to communicate directly, like a gateway to the materium. As his soul drifted it dissolved into the warp until only a tiny speck of it remained, the star child. As the cells in his body died the gateway got weaker and he hasn’t communicated properly for 10000 years. So floating around in the warp is a tiny speck of a soul, the gods haven’t been able to find it. If that soul can be reborn it will be born as the “new man” (the emoeror) again.

Andykp wrote:

 Karhedron wrote:

 Kroem wrote:
Loosing Terra is a pretty big deal. Bureaucracy and a shared faith are all that holds the Imperium together, and Terra is the centre for both those things!

Not to mention the Astronomicon and the largest Astropathic choir. Losing Terra wouldn't just be a cultural and spiritual loss, it would shatter the Imperium beyond even Guilliman's ability to hold together. Without communication and Navigation, there is no Imperium!

But the rebirth of the starchild would solve all those issues. He would be the new astronomicon, the new guiding light. The new spiritual hub for humanity. If the theory came to pass it would save humanity from whatever befell it. That’s why it’s such a good story, it’s a domor die all or nothing gamble. Win it all or let the galaxy burn. And the way they have handled it means it is still as viable a theory as any, it could be a chaos conspiracy or the truth, or both at the same time.

For the chap before, in the theory the emperors soul drifted into the warp when horus basically killed him. The life support his body got allowed him to communicate directly, like a gateway to the materium. As his soul drifted it dissolved into the warp until only a tiny speck of it remained, the star child. As the cells in his body died the gateway got weaker and he hasn’t communicated properly for 10000 years. So floating around in the warp is a tiny speck of a soul, the gods haven’t been able to find it. If that soul can be reborn it will be born as the “new man” (the emoeror) again.

Like I said the main theme of that theory appeales to my quite a lot, but with the details you just described it makes less and less sense to me. For one horus did not kill the emperor, we know that he lived, although mortally wounded and could still give orders for Rogal Dorn, before he was placed on the golden throne. Second, if his soul was just a small speck in the warp waiting to be reborn, the astronomican could not shine and warp travel would be impossible.

Andykp wrote:

 Karhedron wrote:

 Kroem wrote:
Loosing Terra is a pretty big deal. Bureaucracy and a shared faith are all that holds the Imperium together, and Terra is the centre for both those things!

Not to mention the Astronomicon and the largest Astropathic choir. Losing Terra wouldn't just be a cultural and spiritual loss, it would shatter the Imperium beyond even Guilliman's ability to hold together. Without communication and Navigation, there is no Imperium!

But the rebirth of the starchild would solve all those issues. He would be the new astronomicon, the new guiding light. The new spiritual hub for humanity. If the theory came to pass it would save humanity from whatever befell it. That’s why it’s such a good story, it’s a domor die all or nothing gamble. Win it all or let the galaxy burn. And the way they have handled it means it is still as viable a theory as any, it could be a chaos conspiracy or the truth, or both at the same time.

For the chap before, in the theory the emperors soul drifted into the warp when horus basically killed him. The life support his body got allowed him to communicate directly, like a gateway to the materium. As his soul drifted it dissolved into the warp until only a tiny speck of it remained, the star child. As the cells in his body died the gateway got weaker and he hasn’t communicated properly for 10000 years. So floating around in the warp is a tiny speck of a soul, the gods haven’t been able to find it. If that soul can be reborn it will be born as the “new man” (the emoeror) again.

The fluff of the Star Child was that he was already around. The Emperor's soul became the Star Child when he "died", and that part was within the Warp, hiding from the powers of Chaos.

what if all the psykers fueling the throne(keeping his connection to the physical plane), in conjunction with the organized worship of biggie (powers him in the warp) made him something more than the chaos gods. They can only exist and directly influence the material realm through help, whereas biggie can do equally in both the warp and realspace.

Living Saints, Legion of the Damned, etc can only exist in real space for short periods of time, just like daemon princes etc. But the Burning Blade has a physical (the real sword) connection. Other such relics would be similar in how biggies ephemeral touch effects realspace.

Racerguy180 wrote:
what if all the psykers fueling the throne(keeping his connection to the physical plane), in conjunction with the organized worship of biggie (powers him in the warp) made him something more than the chaos gods. They can only exist and directly influence the material realm through help, whereas biggie can do equally in both the warp and realspace.

Living Saints, Legion of the Damned, etc can only exist in real space for short periods of time, just like daemon princes etc. But the Burning Blade has a physical (the real sword) connection. Other such relics would be similar in how biggies ephemeral touch effects realspace.

Living Saints I get, but how is the Legion of the Damned and the Emperor connected?

Tiberias wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:
what if all the psykers fueling the throne(keeping his connection to the physical plane), in conjunction with the organized worship of biggie (powers him in the warp) made him something more than the chaos gods. They can only exist and directly influence the material realm through help, whereas biggie can do equally in both the warp and realspace.

Living Saints, Legion of the Damned, etc can only exist in real space for short periods of time, just like daemon princes etc. But the Burning Blade has a physical (the real sword) connection. Other such relics would be similar in how biggies ephemeral touch effects realspace.

Living Saints I get, but how is the Legion of the Damned and the Emperor connected?

it has been intimated that since the LOD only show up to help the imperium, that biggie directs and guides them. Also the possible headless apparition of Ferrus Manus is biggies champion in the warp.

Animus wrote:

Andykp wrote:

 Karhedron wrote:

 Kroem wrote:
Loosing Terra is a pretty big deal. Bureaucracy and a shared faith are all that holds the Imperium together, and Terra is the centre for both those things!

Not to mention the Astronomicon and the largest Astropathic choir. Losing Terra wouldn't just be a cultural and spiritual loss, it would shatter the Imperium beyond even Guilliman's ability to hold together. Without communication and Navigation, there is no Imperium!

But the rebirth of the starchild would solve all those issues. He would be the new astronomicon, the new guiding light. The new spiritual hub for humanity. If the theory came to pass it would save humanity from whatever befell it. That’s why it’s such a good story, it’s a domor die all or nothing gamble. Win it all or let the galaxy burn. And the way they have handled it means it is still as viable a theory as any, it could be a chaos conspiracy or the truth, or both at the same time.

For the chap before, in the theory the emperors soul drifted into the warp when horus basically killed him. The life support his body got allowed him to communicate directly, like a gateway to the materium. As his soul drifted it dissolved into the warp until only a tiny speck of it remained, the star child. As the cells in his body died the gateway got weaker and he hasn’t communicated properly for 10000 years. So floating around in the warp is a tiny speck of a soul, the gods haven’t been able to find it. If that soul can be reborn it will be born as the “new man” (the emoeror) again.

The fluff of the Star Child was that he was already around. The Emperor's soul became the Star Child when he "died", and that part was within the Warp, hiding from the powers of Chaos.

From lost and the damned. It explains how he could communicate, why I said dead and the creation of the star child.



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And as for the astronomicon. Even the people in charge of the golden throne don’t understand how it works. The astronomicon could well be only fuelled by the pushers it burns threw daily, the illuminati would tell you that it has nothing to do the the corpse rotting on the throne at all. Like all the best conspiracy theories it has an answer for everything and would be cool if true. The only way the black library can make up for its abomination of the HH is to end with the creation of the star child and apologise to ollanius pious. .