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Archreagant Vict-HQ, 280 points

M..........*
WS.......2+
BS........2+
S..........5
T...........6
W.........14
A..........4
Ld........9
Sv........2+

Wounds....Movement....Extra Attacks
8-14+............14"...............5
4-7................10"...............4
1-3.................7"................3

Archreagant Vict is a single model, armed with the Lance of Agony, Mechatendrils, a Bolt Pistol, Krak Grenades and Frag Grenades. He rides atop his winged Helstalker Spot, who is armed with a Baleflamer, two Combi-Bolters, Bladed Wings and Tail, and a Techno-Virus Injector.

Lance Of Agony (Melee)
Range......Melee
Type.........Melee
S..............X2
AP............-2
D..............d3
Increase the Strength to X3, the AP to -3, and the damage to 3 in a turn in which the wielder charged or performed a Heroic Intervention.

Lance Of Agony (Shooting)
Range......12"
Type.........Assault 2
S..............6
AP............-2
D..............d3

Mechatendrils
Range......Melee
Type.........Melee
S..............User
AP............-1
D..............1
Each time the bearer fights, they may make an additional 2 attacks with this weapon.

Bolt Pistol
Range......12"
Type.........Pistol 1
S..............4
AP............0
D..............1

Krak Grenades
Range......6"
Type.........Grenade 1
S..............6
AP............-1
D..............d3

Frag Grenades
Range......6"
Type.........Grenade d6
S..............3
AP............0
D..............1

Baleflamer
Range......18"
Type.........Assault d6
S..............6
AP............-2
D..............2
This weapon automatically hits.

Combi-Bolter
Range......24"
Type.........Rapid Fire 2
S..............4
AP............0
D..............1

Bladed Wings and Tail
Range......Melee
Type.........Melee
S..............+3
AP............-2
D..............d3
After Vict has made his attacks, make a number of extra attacks as shown on the table with this weapon. This weapon may reroll failed wounds against models with the FLY Keyword.

Techno-Virus Injector
Range......Melee
Type.........Melee
S..............+4
AP............-4
D..............d3
After Vict has made his attacks, make a single additional attack with this weapon. If this weapon successfully wounds a VEHICLE, it deals d3 mortal wounds in addition to any other damage.

Abilities
Aura of Discord
Death To The False Emperor
Infernal Regeneration
Spirit Thief
Archreagent-This model has a 4+ Invulnerable save

Keywords
Fly, Character, Vehicle, Daemon, Daemon Engine, Helstalker, Lord Discordant, Archreagent Vict

Faction Keywords
Chaos, Heretic Astartes, Slaanesh, Death's Emissaries
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Points approximation:

Base cost of a Lord Discordant with Baleflamer: 180
+1 Strength: +15 Points
+2 Wounds: +10 Points
Lance of Agony: +20 Points
AP -1 on Tendrils: +5 Points
Combi Bolters: +4 Points
Bladed Wings and Tail being slightly better than Bladed Limbs and Tail: +5 Points
FLY Keyword: +20 Points
Total: 259

But, let's make sure he's, if anything, OVERCOSTED rather than undercosted. Add an extra 21 points on top of that.

New total: 280 Points.

Seems pretty fair at 280. I don't think the 21 extra pts would be needed if it weren't for the rule of 3 being a thing and DiscoLords being one of the units that chafe under that rule. I like the flat pts cost instead of making it 279. I think you are valuing wounds too little for this guy, you can pile 40 more attacks on a Helstalker and it'll hardly matter because he already hits hard and it'll just make the unique one the primary focus of your opponent. I think a tougher or a punchier HQ is pretty easy to balance, but a more all-around upgrade is harder. In this case he's definitely more punchy than he is tough compared to a regular Discolord and I think it might be a bit much, does he need to be this badass? I'm not saying he's unfair, it's just a lot of different buffs.

Most Unique HQs get a relic or two and a special rule or two and maybe a single stat increase, two on rare occasions. Vict gets three stat increases, a relic, two minor relics, and a special rule in the form of FLY. If you have a converted Discolord with giant wings and a badass spear it makes sense, but it's a lot to take in. I'd probably take away the x3 part of the lance, the Strength, the improved stats of the bladed wings and tail and tendrils and remove the combi-bolter as well if you don't have a model with an extra combi-bolter on. Get the model down to 240ish pts. With what you currently have he'll die relatively quickly and never be as awesome as you want him to be.

My evaluation also depends on whether Death's Emmissaries can use the rules for the Slaanesh warband that most people use when they take Discolords.

New knight psyker

Knight augar

100 point increase to any knight variant. -1 WS Level 1 psyker

Knight Magus
150 point increase to any knight -1 ws level 2 psyker

Knight power

WC 9
Heal thine self
A knight of the same house hold my heal D3 wounds

WC 8
Surge of power
All weapons become X2 str on the combat in which the knight charged

WC 7/8/9
Unshakable faith
Increase the invuln save of a knight of the same household, this spell costs 7/8/9 for armigers, knights, dominus knights

WC 8/9
Warp sight
increase ballistic skill by 1 for the remainder of the turn for a knight / dominus knight.

WC 7
Thunder stop
Any enemy infantry unit within 3" of the knight must fight last, in addition roll a d6 for each unit effected, if the result is equal to or greater then their toughness that unit suffer D6 auto hitting S6 ap - wounds

WC 8
Honor call - a bellowing pysker infused war horn blast
Any enemy unit within 7' of the cast must take a leadership test, if the test is failed until the start of your next psyker round, effected units must make a leadership test with a -2 before they can benefit from any stratagem.

Mechanical foci
The Knight psyker uses his own steed to channel the powers of the warp, such actions do not come with out risk. If a parells occurs on double 1's the user takes D3 mortal wounds, on double 6' the caster takes D6 mortal wounds.



My fixes/changes for knight to make it so they are more unique, and people stop taking the loyal 32.

 Backspacehacker wrote:


New knight psyker

Knight augar

100 point increase to any knight variant. -1 WS Level 1 psyker

Knight Magus
150 point increase to any knight -1 ws level 2 psyker

Knight power

WC 9
Heal thine self
A knight of the same house hold my heal D3 wounds

WC 8
Surge of power
All weapons become X2 str on the combat in which the knight charged

WC 7/8/9
Unshakable faith
Increase the invuln save of a knight of the same household, this spell costs 7/8/9 for armigers, knights, dominus knights

WC 8/9
Warp sight
increase ballistic skill by 1 for the remainder of the turn for a knight / dominus knight.

WC 7
Thunder stop
Any enemy infantry unit within 3" of the knight must fight last, in addition roll a d6 for each unit effected, if the result is equal to or greater then their toughness that unit suffer D6 auto hitting S6 ap - wounds

WC 8
Honor call - a bellowing pysker infused war horn blast
Any enemy unit within 7' of the cast must take a leadership test, if the test is failed until the start of your next psyker round, effected units must make a leadership test with a -2 before they can benefit from any stratagem.

Mechanical foci
The Knight psyker uses his own steed to channel the powers of the warp, such actions do not come with out risk. If a parells occurs on double 1's the user takes D3 mortal wounds, on double 6' the caster takes D6 mortal wounds.

Pts costs are too high, -1 WS pays for the ability almost by itself. I'd say 20 pts lvl 1 and 50 pts for lvl 2 at most with the current rules.

WC9 is extremely high, that's shooting twice with your 300 pts unit good, not heal a couple wounds of a Knight good. If you want your Knight to never cast his powers then that's fine and you can go down to 20/50 pts, possibly as low as 0/30 if you want to keep the mechanical foci rule, but if you want him to be a badass psyker and you're fine paying 100/150 then you can drastically increase the power level or reduce the WC of these spells as well as remove the mechanical foci rule and the -1 WS. WC 6 would not be out of this world, but again it depends on how much you are willing to pay for the ability, Farseer spells are better than Warlock spells, they also pay for it, it seems you've got the worst of every world. Between stifling negative effects, a huge cost and underwhelming spells compared to their costs you've got a set of rules that put a huge strain on any army in which you field them.

Surge of power WC =< Heal thine self WC =< Warp sight WC =< Unshakable faith WC

I like the higher casting costs on Dominus Knights, but it doesn't fit with 8th edition. I think it's fine but it'd fit better with 8th to simply only let it target a Questoris or Armiger and give it a set cost. The 3++ on a Dominus with the Relic and the faith power is kind of irksome, but it being tied to a WC 9 power makes it much less so, I think you should add the stipulation that it cannot improve the target's save beyond a 4+ and lower the casting cost.

You forgot the m in Thunder stomp. Both Thunder stomp and Honor call should be reworked for 8th edition. Leadership tests don't exist and direct damage spells only deal mortal wounds. Alternatively, you could make it so that Thunder stomp just lets the Knight make more attacks with his feet the first time it fights in the following Fight phase. I'm not sure how honor call fits thematically with your enemies being too scared to benefit from Stratagems, I would change the name. I'd advise to make it so that enemy units within 6" of the bearer do not benefit from Aura abilities until the start of your next turn and subtract 1 from their Ld. Alternatively, have it increase the Ld characteristic of friendly Knight models within 6" and lets them re-roll failed charge rolls.

I'm sorry but I don't really have anything creative to share, I hope my feedback is constructive. I was planning on writing rules for balancing the inclusion of the special abilities for generic characters from Chapter Approved for making your own special characters, but I got caught up between making every option valid and ensuring none of them were OP. Because of all the combinations and units each rule can get attached to I eventually gave up, I might pick it back up again if anyone would fine it entertaining or useful.

Constantin Valdor - 275pts

WS 2+ BS2+ S5 T5 W7 A6 Ld10 Sv2+

Wargear
Apollonian Spear
Misericordia


Apollonian Spear
Ranged 24" Range, S5 Ap-3 D2, Rapid Fire 2
Melee S+3, Ap-3 D3, Any wound roll of 4+ inflicts 3 Mortal Wounds instead of the regular damage.

Special Rules
Aegis of the Emperor

Eternal Divinity: Constantin Valdor has a 3+ Invulnerable Save. In addition, Valdor must be the army's Warlord.

Mythic Custodes units within 6" of Valdor may re-roll all failed hit and wound rolls. Friendly Imperium units within 12" automatically pass any Morale checks they are forced to make.





Custodian Eteocles - 150pts

WS2+ BS2+ S5 T5 W5 A5 Ld10 Sv2+

Wargear
Sentinel Greatblade
Misericordia

Sentinel Greatblade
Ranged 12" S4 Ap-1 D1 Pistol 2
Melee S+2 Ap-3 D2

Special Rules
Aegis of the Emperor

Slayer of Tyrants: If Custodian Eteocles is within 1" of an enemy Character, he may make an additional D3 attacks, which must be directed at a character within 1".



Have a couple more in mind so watch this space...

Valdor has G-Man's aura.

That's... That's pretty much a no-go.

For Custodes rather than Marines though.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
For Custodes rather than Marines though.

Yes. That's honestly WORSE, methinks.

Here's one I made for a fun narrative campaign we did last year.
In hindsight his points should be ~90 and Souped Up Dakka should be S5.