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2019/08/15 06:08:10
Subject: Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.
This looks like a cash grab. expect people to run out buy a bunch of these, then FFG pulls the plug on it 5 minutes after it releases.
If you want superheros, go play something like Superfigs, Pulp City, or any of the other mini games out there. Over priced, Underwhelming, and just another stick to throw into the Marvel fatigue dumpster fire. This is a hard pass.
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2019/08/16 19:25:07
Subject: Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.
Grot 6 wrote: This looks like a cash grab. expect people to run out buy a bunch of these, then FFG pulls the plug on it 5 minutes after it releases.
Boardgamer who paints here. FFG has a history of throwing out a game line out there, see if it makes enough money, then drop it if it doesn't. Leave the customers hanging. They just did that with Runewars (and Battlelore).
At these prices (and the need to assemble and paint these), there's no way that either the boardgame market or "display it on my desk at work" audiences will buy these miniatures. They're clearly aimed towards the smaller niche of modelers and painters.
The non-standard scale is a gamble. Worked for Star Wars Legion, I guess. Could be licensing issues preventing the miniatures from being more accessible to non-modelers.
Myself, I'll pick up the starter set if it hits a deep discount. At least the starting ten miniatures I like better than the WizKids agents (?) game. Is WK still supporting it?
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Grot 6 wrote: This looks like a cash grab. expect people to run out buy a bunch of these, then FFG pulls the plug on it 5 minutes after it releases.
Boardgamer who paints here. FFG has a history of throwing out a game line out there, see if it makes enough money, then drop it if it doesn't. Leave the customers hanging. They just did that with Runewars (and Battlelore).
At these prices (and the need to assemble and paint these), there's no way that either the boardgame market or "display it on my desk at work" audiences will buy these miniatures. They're clearly aimed towards the smaller niche of modelers and painters.
The non-standard scale is a gamble. Worked for Star Wars Legion, I guess. Could be licensing issues preventing the miniatures from being more accessible to non-modelers.
Myself, I'll pick up the starter set if it hits a deep discount. At least the starting ten miniatures I like better than the WizKids agents (?) game. Is WK still supporting it?
I dunno you know how many people said that same exact thing about Star Wars Legion, and look at it go.... I think there is enough love for all things Marvel that it will entice both minigamers and boardgamers.
2019/08/16 20:54:17
Subject: Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.
LunarSol wrote: Why do people keep insisting Legion is in a non-standard scale?
Basically, it is a different scale than every other Star Wars miniature game released before, but mainly it comes from the incompatibilities with Imperial Assault.
2019/08/16 21:18:09
Subject: Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.
LunarSol wrote: Why do people keep insisting Legion is in a non-standard scale?
Basically, it is a different scale than every other Star Wars miniature game released before, but mainly it comes from the incompatibilities with Imperial Assault.
Sure, but the models are the size of like.... other miniature games. They're just bigger than the stuff before that was board game sized.
2019/08/16 21:24:48
Subject: Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.
> I dunno you know how many people said that same exact thing about Star Wars Legion, and look at it go.... I think there is enough love for all things Marvel that it will entice both minigamers and boardgamers.
> Why do people keep insisting Legion is in a non-standard scale?
Not making a forecast, but I'll let others drop a few hundred dollars first before making a decision. (:
Grot 6 wrote: This looks like a cash grab. expect people to run out buy a bunch of these, then FFG pulls the plug on it 5 minutes after it releases.
If you want superheros, go play something like Superfigs, Pulp City, or any of the other mini games out there. Over priced, Underwhelming, and just another stick to throw into the Marvel fatigue dumpster fire. This is a hard pass.
I think it’s important to note this game is not by FFG. It’s by Atomic Mass Games who like FFG are owned by Asmodee. This is AMG’s debut as a game company so they logically would not want to debut with something that is going to be immediately tossed aside. Personally I am excited that Asmodee is involved in hopes that there is sufficient licensing experience based on the Star Wars success to maintain a Marvel game with lots of releases.
2019/08/17 16:38:40
Subject: Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.
I'm terrified of Asmodee's presence strictly because they are the worst distributor in the industry right now, and stock issues plague everything they do. A Song of Ice and Fire for example is a major IP-backed, excellent game, that is a fraction of as popular as it could be because of distribution problems.
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2019/08/17 16:48:18
Subject: Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: I'm terrified of Asmodee's presence strictly because they are the worst distributor in the industry right now, and stock issues plague everything they do. A Song of Ice and Fire for example is a major IP-backed, excellent game, that is a fraction of as popular as it could be because of distribution problems
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I love Star Wars Armada and never really have had an issue in getting anyhing I wanted for Armada or X-Wing first edition, putting that aside X-Wing would have never rose to the popularity it has if Asmodee had poor distribution. I have seen their product in book stores boardgaming stores miniature game stores toy stores. That kind of distribution regardless of someone’s personal experience is a level above what we see typically in the TT hobby.
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2019/08/17 16:50:10
Subject: Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.
It seems like it's pretty much a Fantasy Flight game, but they outsourced the rules writing and sculpting to a consulting company, which only formed to work on this project for them. I mean, I can't imagine any independent company working on their own independent game deciding that it would be ideal to use the goofy movement templates that Fantasy Flight Games uses, and paying FFG to use their templates in their game.
2019/08/17 16:57:39
Subject: Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.
Albino Squirrel wrote: It seems like it's pretty much a Fantasy Flight game, but they outsourced the rules writing and sculpting to a consulting company, which only formed to work on this project for them. I mean, I can't imagine any independent company working on their own independent game deciding that it would be ideal to use the goofy movement templates that Fantasy Flight Games uses, and paying FFG to use their templates in their game.
Maybe but maybe not? I would imagine from a corporate perspective FFG has within its core competencies to produce this product if it wanted to.
2019/08/17 17:14:08
Subject: Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: I'm terrified of Asmodee's presence strictly because they are the worst distributor in the industry right now, and stock issues plague everything they do. A Song of Ice and Fire for example is a major IP-backed, excellent game, that is a fraction of as popular as it could be because of distribution problems.
I love Star Wars Armada and never really have had an issue in getting anyhing I wanted for Armada or X-Wing first edition, putting that aside X-Wing would have never rose to the popularity it has if Asmodee had poor distribution. I have seen their product in book stores boardgaming stores miniature game stores toy stores. That kind of distribution regardless of someone’s personal experience is a level above what we see typically in the TT hobby.
There was for sure a stock issue during X-Wing 1.0. Going back to try and find ships from older waves was always a pain, especially if that ship was one of the Meta ships or contained cards used in the meta. I spent months trying to track down a K-Wing. Never did manage to get my hands on the star-wing.
They would do like 2 or 3 initial prints, then when the next wave got announced would stop producing the prior wave. The only exception was the wave 1 ships and the start boxes.
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2019/08/17 17:14:28
Subject: Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.
Albino Squirrel wrote: It seems like it's pretty much a Fantasy Flight game, but they outsourced the rules writing and sculpting to a consulting company, which only formed to work on this project for them. I mean, I can't imagine any independent company working on their own independent game deciding that it would be ideal to use the goofy movement templates that Fantasy Flight Games uses, and paying FFG to use their templates in their game.
It does seem really unlikely that a new company would land a major license like Marvel, with the resources and experience to do full plastic kits right out the gate on a good 30-40 sculpts before even announcing the game (which they did during the FFG conference, right after FFG announced a Marvel card game)... Asmodee as a whole doesn't really do this stuff, but FFG has their own building dedicated to miniature design and has extensive experience and expertise in this area. It really does feel like Atomic Mass Games may have designed the game system, but FFG is doing all the heavy lifting for them (license procurement, miniature production, distribution, promotion).
I'm really curious what their long term plan for this game is. They've got most of the more popular Marvel characters available from the start... but then what? They have nowhere to go but down...
2019/08/17 17:29:44
Subject: Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: I'm terrified of Asmodee's presence strictly because they are the worst distributor in the industry right now, and stock issues plague everything they do. A Song of Ice and Fire for example is a major IP-backed, excellent game, that is a fraction of as popular as it could be because of distribution problems.
I love Star Wars Armada and never really have had an issue in getting anyhing I wanted for Armada or X-Wing first edition, putting that aside X-Wing would have never rose to the popularity it has if Asmodee had poor distribution. I have seen their product in book stores boardgaming stores miniature game stores toy stores. That kind of distribution regardless of someone’s personal experience is a level above what we see typically in the TT hobby.
There was for sure a stock issue during X-Wing 1.0. Going back to try and find ships from older waves was always a pain, especially if that ship was one of the Meta ships or contained cards used in the meta. I spent months trying to track down a K-Wing. Never did manage to get my hands on the star-wing.
They would do like 2 or 3 initial prints, then when the next wave got announced would stop producing the prior wave. The only exception was the wave 1 ships and the start boxes.
I seem to remember seeing a Millennium Falcon sell for in excess of double the RRP on eBay just prior to Nationals when they were sold out everywhere, almost £70.
I played for the first time several months later than I would have otherwise done because the chap who ordered the initial stuff to try it out had to wait for stock.
The FFG product tracker was a staple of conversation for months, as to whether stuff was due for reprint, on the boat etc.
X Wing 1.0 was plagued with stock issues.
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Uh...they have no mutants. Wolverine, Deadpool (mutate, not mutant), Magneto...you know, just to throw a few unimportant names out. It’s not like everyone can be as well known as Squirrel Girl!
Facepalm is not directed at anyone, just in reference to the fact that there is something as stupid as “Squirrel Girl”.
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2019/08/17 17:33:48
Subject: Re:Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.
Grot 6 wrote: This looks like a cash grab. expect people to run out buy a bunch of these, then FFG pulls the plug on it 5 minutes after it releases.
If you want superheros, go play something like Superfigs, Pulp City, or any of the other mini games out there. Over priced, Underwhelming, and just another stick to throw into the Marvel fatigue dumpster fire. This is a hard pass.
I think it’s important to note this game is not by FFG. It’s by Atomic Mass Games who like FFG are owned by Asmodee. This is AMG’s debut as a game company so they logically would not want to debut with something that is going to be immediately tossed aside. Personally I am excited that Asmodee is involved in hopes that there is sufficient licensing experience based on the Star Wars success to maintain a Marvel game with lots of releases.
While I don't agree with Grot's perspective, it's a little naive to think AMG have any real say at all in what happens to the game, if it performs poorly it'll get tossed just like every other FFG game that hasn't taken off. I'd also argue that saying it's AMG and not FFG is a little like claiming a game isn't a GW game because it's published by FW. I mean, sure, you can point to certain differences but it is ultimately a product of the same stable and you can see the same DNA all through it.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
timetowaste85 wrote: Uh...they have no mutants. Wolverine, Deadpool (mutate, not mutant), Magneto...you know, just to throw a few unimportant names out. It’s not like everyone can be as well known as Squirrel Girl!
Facepalm is not directed at anyone, just in reference to the fact that there is something as stupid as “Squirrel Girl”.
While I too am awaiting the X-universe, I have to remind myself that marvel just got their rights back, so Atomic probably couldn’t make those models when the idea was pitched.
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2019/08/17 19:43:48
Subject: Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.
While I don't agree with Grot's perspective, it's a little naive to think AMG have any real say at all in what happens to the game, if it performs poorly it'll get tossed just like every other FFG game that hasn't taken off. I'd also argue that saying it's AMG and not FFG is a little like claiming a game isn't a GW game because it's published by FW. I mean, sure, you can point to certain differences but it is ultimately a product of the same stable and you can see the same DNA all through it.
I think the FW comparison is excellent. In my limited purchases from FW I knew the price, design elements, quality, materials etc would be significantly different from GW proper. Its like saying when FW teases something it will be supplied as a plastic snap fit sprue as a starter set etc just because the parent company is GW. There may be clear similarities in the movement templates but I dont think we can say its going to be exactly the same as anything and I say that as someone who likes FFG products.
2019/08/17 21:39:13
Subject: Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.
While I don't agree with Grot's perspective, it's a little naive to think AMG have any real say at all in what happens to the game, if it performs poorly it'll get tossed just like every other FFG game that hasn't taken off. I'd also argue that saying it's AMG and not FFG is a little like claiming a game isn't a GW game because it's published by FW. I mean, sure, you can point to certain differences but it is ultimately a product of the same stable and you can see the same DNA all through it.
I think the FW comparison is excellent. In my limited purchases from FW I knew the price, design elements, quality, materials etc would be significantly different from GW proper. Its like saying when FW teases something it will be supplied as a plastic snap fit sprue as a starter set etc just because the parent company is GW. There may be clear similarities in the movement templates but I dont think we can say its going to be exactly the same as anything and I say that as someone who likes FFG products.
How about having read the rulebook and there being notable similarities to how existing FFG games work? It's available for free. Nothings been lifted wholesale, of course, but I've played enough FFG titles to see the fingerprints.
Plus I specifically said "game" not model when comparing FW/GW. HH, for instance, has unique units and models, but there's no argument that it is a very similar game to 40K. Or at least to the version of 40K that was current when it originally launched, and it would be a futile thing to argue it wasnt.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
While I don't agree with Grot's perspective, it's a little naive to think AMG have any real say at all in what happens to the game, if it performs poorly it'll get tossed just like every other FFG game that hasn't taken off. I'd also argue that saying it's AMG and not FFG is a little like claiming a game isn't a GW game because it's published by FW. I mean, sure, you can point to certain differences but it is ultimately a product of the same stable and you can see the same DNA all through it.
I think the FW comparison is excellent. In my limited purchases from FW I knew the price, design elements, quality, materials etc would be significantly different from GW proper. Its like saying when FW teases something it will be supplied as a plastic snap fit sprue as a starter set etc just because the parent company is GW. There may be clear similarities in the movement templates but I dont think we can say its going to be exactly the same as anything and I say that as someone who likes FFG products.
How about having read the rulebook and there being notable similarities to how existing FFG games work? It's available for free. Nothings been lifted wholesale, of course, but I've played enough FFG titles to see the fingerprints.
Plus I specifically said "game" not model when comparing FW/GW. HH, for instance, has unique units and models, but there's no argument that it is a very similar game to 40K. Or at least to the version of 40K that was current when it originally launched, and it would be a futile thing to argue it wasnt.
Oh I’ve already read the rules as well and honestly have no idea what your talking about as the distinct similarities I thnk its closer to MUMG but its a matter of opinion.
2019/08/17 22:10:41
Subject: Marvel Crisis Protocol from Atomic Mass Games.
While I don't agree with Grot's perspective, it's a little naive to think AMG have any real say at all in what happens to the game, if it performs poorly it'll get tossed just like every other FFG game that hasn't taken off. I'd also argue that saying it's AMG and not FFG is a little like claiming a game isn't a GW game because it's published by FW. I mean, sure, you can point to certain differences but it is ultimately a product of the same stable and you can see the same DNA all through it.
I think the FW comparison is excellent. In my limited purchases from FW I knew the price, design elements, quality, materials etc would be significantly different from GW proper. Its like saying when FW teases something it will be supplied as a plastic snap fit sprue as a starter set etc just because the parent company is GW. There may be clear similarities in the movement templates but I dont think we can say its going to be exactly the same as anything and I say that as someone who likes FFG products.
How about having read the rulebook and there being notable similarities to how existing FFG games work? It's available for free. Nothings been lifted wholesale, of course, but I've played enough FFG titles to see the fingerprints.
Plus I specifically said "game" not model when comparing FW/GW. HH, for instance, has unique units and models, but there's no argument that it is a very similar game to 40K. Or at least to the version of 40K that was current when it originally launched, and it would be a futile thing to argue it wasnt.
Oh I’ve already read the rules as well and honestly have no idea what your talking about as the distinct similarities I thnk its closer to MUMG but its a matter of opinion.
The dice based damage and defence system is a rejigged version of Imperial Assault, the proprietary movement and range widgets are very similar to Legion which itself iterated on X Wing and Armada, the card based mission system is present in many if their games in some flavour or another, as is the "rulebook is light, cards do the heavy lifting for the exceptions and modifications" philosophy.
Perhaps those things are present in other games from other companies that I've not played, but I can confidently state that those are things just from games by FFG that I've played.
If AMG weren't affiliated with FFG I'd still think this, but I'd just chalk it up to the fact that ideas get borrowed from successful products, that they're part of the same group and apparently based in the same building? Then that goes beyond coincidental.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
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