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Happy to see such positivity!

Intercessors look good. Rest of the line looks like trash the first time I have looked at them. Just took another glance at them.

Result:
Nothing has changed.

I really like Primaris Marines. They are more imposing and better proportioned than the classic Space Marines. Plus, with how they are compatible with a lot of older space Marine bits, you can kitbash some sweet poses with them. You could with older marine kits but they looked a bit weird unless you put them into specific poses. Mk.10 power armor is fantastic looking as is the Redemptor Dreadnought. I also really dig how the Primaris HQ units look. The Primaris Apothecary is just awesome. The Redemptor dreadnought is a gorgeous model. I really like how the Repulsor is based on more modern AFVs instead of early cold war stuff. Overall, another big bonus is how tacticool Primaris Marines are: Rails, scopes, grenade launchers, camo etc.

Gravis armor is hit or miss but I like it. Phobos armor? I like the concept but I'm not as big on it. However, I'm not a fan of the jump-pack Primaris Marines nor the Invictor (But I'm warming up to it due to the sheer goofiness of the thing.)

The Executioner and Impulsor are... I don't know. I think I'd like the executioner more if had less guns on it for a smoother profile and I'm not a fan of how the Impulsor looks from the pictures I've seen. I'll probably get them for a MBT/Cheap transport though.

I'm really looking forward to a Primaris flyer.

I got back into 40k after a long hiatus six-ish months into 8th: dropped 40k for Warmachine in 4th edition because the rules were so much better written, dropped Warmachine right before Mk III because it was a two hour drive to get a game after the LGS I played at went under, gave 8th a chance because it was the only game in town when a new LGS opened again.

At first I just picked up Astares because the local group had nothing good to say about Primaris. Insisted they were "off-meta" and didn't really hold up any better than the single-wound boys. They also insisted that Marines were in a bad spot in general and really hard to play well under 8th ed rules, but I have a thing about playing the army that will give me the fewest mirror-matches. And I like the aesthetic of the old marine line and wasn't really sold on the new guys, so what the hey.

Then something funny happened. I picked up a box on Intercessors because they were on sale, put them together, and actually saw them next to a Tac squad. Huh, those really do look a lot better in person don't they. And then I put them on the table because I'm a stubborn cuss and I don't like owning a unit I haven't fielded. Huh, that Ap 1 makes Intercessor shooting a whole lot less mopey than regular Boltgun shots. They're not great but they're getting the job done. About the same time I caught up with the rumor mill and realized it was going to be all Primaris all the time going forward, so I bought some more. And then they got Bolter Discipline and I could put Power Fists on them. Huh, they can go into melee without embarrassing themselves the way Tacs do. Maybe I should give some of these other units a try. The Redemptor is kind of lackluster with the Plasma gun, but that big gattling cannon is the business. The opposite of what intuition said was the better gun. And hey look at that, Inceptors actually kill stuff when they drop in because they also throw a ton of shots out. Then they got Suppressors, hurray I finally have Autocannons. I'd given Aggressors a pass because that 18" gun is awfully short range. Lemme try using the Raven Guard strat to get them in range to double-tap turn one. Holy mother of dice buckets...

I like that Primaris actually feel like Marines.

They're a ton of shots and enough attacks to not feel helpless in melee. As of the new codex they have what I think are the two best man-portable heavy weapons in the faction. I think the Repulsor chassis is the best looking tank in the Marine arsenal (helps that I left most of the external ammo boxes off though). Aggressors are a frankly ridiculous number of shots if you get to go first and they're still decent if you commit to putting enough of them into play. I was playing Astares-only lists at first, but every time I swap something out for it's Primaris equivalent it tends to stay swapped out.

Astares still have a place in my lists because they're cheaper and they still have tools the Primaris lack, but I suspect that second one is on a time limit.

Ok, they feel pretty good once they are together and they look good on the table. I still love old marines but they do grow on you. That's all I'll say about that as they aren't perfect. I am having fun making them into DW kill teams ! There.

I really like Intercessors. Their proper proportions really makes the stubby legs of my old tacticals really stand out, and it doesn't bother me at all that they are entirely focused on bolter weapons - my tactical missiles and plasma always seemed to roll all ones anyway . Aggressors are OK, buy I'd like to see some new variations. And in spite of my issues with their legs, I really like the look of the Eliminators.

The rest of the range, I'm not really gone on, mostly for aesthetic reasons. Unlike many others, I have nothing against them in principle. As far as a lack of chapter specific flavour, I think it's worth pointing out that they're still a very new range, and that flavour will almost certainly start to slowly trickle out over the coming years (likely at the cost of plastic Aspect warriors ). My hope for the future is that Games-Workshop is largely done with new types of unit roles, and will start to take a look at making "proper" replacements for units like Assault Marines, Devastators and Rhinos. If that happens, I'll very likely start investing.

IMHO we're proably 4-5 years out from chapter specific primaris. we'll get the gravis release next. and then GW'll start to fill out the snowflake chapters. we might also, if these supplements really take off start seeing primaris for the various core codex first founding chapters too. the supplements could fall flat (they basicly did in 6th and 7th) but if they don't.. exciting times

Purely going by how the models look, I actually like them all except the Phobos-armoured models. I even quite like the Suppressor models, which even most hardcore Primaris-lovers seem to despise.

My Angels of Silence will never have Primaris, as it doesn't fit their fluff (they are stuck way out amid the Ghoul Stars on the edge of Imperium Nihilus, where Guilliman's return is merely a fanciful rumour). My Deathwatch, on the other hand, eagerly embrace them. I already have one Primaris kill team and I intend to add a second in the near future.

There are only two things I need GW to do before I will consider collecting an all-Primaris army. First, release enough non-Phobos units that I can build a decent army without having to use any Phobos-armoured models. Second, introduce some variety within each squad kit so I don't feel like I'm painting ten clones of the same guy. I don't mean just being able to glue on a couple of purity seals or reliquaries. I'm talking about the level of variation you get in the Tactical/Devastator/Assault Squad kits, where each marine can have a slightly different helmet and breastplate, even when they're still basically the same 'mark' of power armour. Even just varying the chest eagle design would be a start.

I would have been very happy with GW if they had released a new wave of embiggened old Marines, a la the CSM release.

As it is, Primaris represemt the very worst of GW lore and modelling.

 MinMax wrote:
I would have been very happy with GW if they had released a new wave of embiggened old Marines, a la the CSM release.

As it is, Primaris represemt the very worst of GW lore and modelling.

People claim that, but I was playing when the current Marine line came out to update the old one and basically no one bought it because they just needed the grav weapons so they went third party and bits sites for grav weapons rather than buy bigger models. That was 2013, the same year the lost Chapterhouse and with the updated Marine line failing to pull big numbers as well as the loss of a lot of legal protections the company assumed it had pushed them to go "okay, let's reboot Space Marines" leading to Jes starting work on the updates in 2014.

Basically, I'm saying it's BS to think slightly bigger models, or even bigger models with a single gun, sell to existing players.

It's likely why we have Ynarri and Harlequins and not an update to Aspect Warriors as well.

I like the generic Primaris character models better than any of the generic Astares character models, and in a weird way I almost prefer the lack of options on them too.

With Astares I'm always putting the characters in first and then fussing with their weapon layouts at the end, and that seldom feels like it was worth all the bother once they get to the table. With Primaris that isn't even a thing; pick the range you think you'll be operating at and away you go. It's not that I don't like the flexibility, it's just that a single plasma/grav/fist/whatever usually doesn't feel like it made much of a difference.

Honestly I hope before the eventual gravis wave we get expanded HQ selection. Like an inceptor Cpt. and of course weapons. I can't stand that a Sgt can take a thunder hammer or power fist but a Cpt can't! That's really my only complaint about Primaris, but I know it'll come in time.

I'd also like to see more basic MK 10 armour. So far I think its just hellblasters and intercessors that wear that armour

 fraser1191 wrote:
Honestly I hope before the eventual gravis wave we get expanded HQ selection. Like an inceptor Cpt. and of course weapons. I can't stand that a Sgt can take a thunder hammer or power fist but a Cpt can't! That's really my only complaint about Primaris, but I know it'll come in time.

I'd also like to see more basic MK 10 armour. So far I think its just hellblasters and intercessors that wear that armour

Hellblasters, Intercessors, a Captain, most of the Liuetenants, the Chaplain, Apothocary and Ancient.

Still could use more of it though.

And I agree about the Gravis armour and weapons (to the point I asked GW in a recent email to the FAQ team if we could please get the upgrade sprue weapon options opened up for characters).

I guess I'll go against the grain and say that all the new Vanguard units are what finally got me to pick up Space Marines this week.

I thought Reivers looked incredible when they were first previewed, and told myself I'd start a Primaris army if they ever expanded the list to include more Phobos armor — and well, here we are, hah. The Infiltrator kit seems like it has just as many cool posing bits as the intercessors, and I'm excited to start customizing them. Not really a fan of the multi-scopes on the Marksmen Bolt Carbines — I'm going to see if the scope/magazine bits for the Intercessor Stalker Bolt Rifle fit on them instead (looks like the Incursor/Infilitrator guns will use the same assembly method) if not, I'll just use the less-wacky incursor radar gun-scopes, hah.

Suppressors have great potential too. I'm going to cut the barrel down to the muzzle brake to make it look less cumbersome, like so (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MQ_JdZhjurU/maxresdefault.jpg), and try to find some kind of Jump Pack exhaust effect to use as the flying base standoff. I think those two changes will give them a much more appealing appearance.

Eliminators are already perfect, those extra sprue options are just icing on the cake.

I know the Invictor Warsuit has received a lot of flak for it's generic sci-fi aesthetic, but I love that style of mech, so I absolutely adore the model — especially the heavy bolter pistol! Already know I'm picking up at least two of them...

I'm waiting to get a better look at the impulsor — but I've always been a fan of open-toppped vehicles (even if it doesn't get the rules for it), so it's likely to end up on the table as well — assuming I can find a unit worth transporting in it.... what do you guys think you'll use it for?

Anyway, I can understand older SM players issues with the new Primaris lineup — but for me personally, they're exactly how I've imagined Space Marines, both model-wise and on the tabletop.

I like all the primaris stuff except the helmets of rievers. Even the suppressors look good--it's just their posing is horrifically bad and they look like bouncing guitarists. Inceptors have the same issue of not great posing, but at least the multi part kits are a ton better than the dark imperium.

The Repulsor could be better, I admit, but it's not bad IMO, and a damn sight better than land speeders, space potatoes, and storm ravens.

I'm the opposite of a lot of people who have been in the hobby for years--i always disliked most of the space marine stuff. The proportions have always been really bad. Both in the art and models.

All the terminators except tartaros and deathwing have no abdomens and heads that sprout from breastplates.

I stayed away from 40k until they released Deathwatch veterans because while I love the lore and idea of the game, the models were just, well, stupid looking. I know it's heresy but I said it.

I really like the variety of poses that the tacticus armour has and cant wait for more poses. They have 10 DI intercessors, 10 Intercessors, 10 Hellblasters + 3 ETB Intercessors. If you include all of the Lieutenants that's easily 30-40 more poses.

Phobos is coming along pretty well as you have the 10 Reivers, 10 infiltrators(shadowspear), 10 Infiltrators/incursors + 3 ETB Reivers.

Ive found that mixing in the ETB's with the regular kits and mixing those with the "partner" kits just yields an excellent variety.

Now we just need more Gravis poses, but I assume they're coming soon.

I like them a lot. I have never owned marines and wasn't a fan of the squatting, squashed mini-marine look. I am seriously considering getting a force of them no and like the fact, the Primaris Marines are bringing something new to the faction. I also love that they seem to annoy all the right people IMO.

I dig most of the Primaris line. Particularly the infantry (except Reivers, not a huge fan of them). They flat out look cooler than oldmarines.
There are some gaps in the line, I think. Like a non-flying Heavy-weapon gravis and/or a Terminator. There really needs to be Primaris termies, I think it's a critical part of space marines and Gravis doesn't quite do it.

The focused squad aspect is good too. I, too, wish they'd done that in the vehicles as well. Too many guns on the Repulsor (and Executioner).

rbstr wrote:
There really needs to be Primaris termies, I think it's a critical part of space marines and Gravis doesn't quite do it.

Yeah, I agree.

I'll third the call for Primaris Termies. That said I'd be willing to put money on them being part of the third wave of Primaris that'll occur. as time's gone on I've begun ti suspect Gravis armor might indeed be the "terminator equivilant" but agressors are not our terminators, they're our centurions. the TERMINATOR type will come later. and it'll be a gravis focused around defence.

Gravis is a Terminator plus something else. Aggressors are Terminators plus Centurions. Inceptors are Terminators plus Asaault Marines.

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
I already think CSM, Admech, GSC, SoB and a few others already there.

You must mean “will get there” because current SoB models aren't there for sure. Metal blobs from the 90's?

I definatly do agree that we've seen a quantum leap in mini quality that dates to around late 7th edition

Racerguy180 wrote:
I really like the variety of poses that the tacticus armour has and cant wait for more poses. They have 10 DI intercessors, 10 Intercessors, 10 Hellblasters + 3 ETB Intercessors. If you include all of the Lieutenants that's easily 30-40 more poses.
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Not quite, it’s less than that. A couple of the DI Intercessors have duplicated poses with the only differences being the direction of their heads. You only get 5 unique Intercessor and Helblaster poses from their respective multi-part kits. In the squads sets of 10, you get 2 sets of duplicate bodies, their are not 10 uniques poses.

I like their guns. (some really nice boltguns)
And the snipers.


The rest is meh

And the Lore of them is just.....

Anyways. I like the gun models.

Hi, my names Andy and I love primaris.

I love that they can anything to anyone, you can truly stamp your individuality onto them. You can bling them up with capes and knightly gak or you can keep them militaristic simplicity and go that route.

They feel like marines should on the table and haven’t since 2nd edition. Elite and dangerous.

They look amazing and keep getting better. It’s not all hits, not keen incursors guns and visors and had to change the suppressors legs but for the most part they are ace. (In my opinion).

Love the direction they are going in. Scope to expand and create new units and models. Lots of scope for conversions too, just have to work at little bit but it pays off no end.

Great to paint. Just great. Crisp clean lines and details, scope to play with colour schemes and techniques but still marines so you paint them up quick time.

And I love the FLUFF. It works for me and is so in line with 40k as I’ve seen it develop over the last 30 years. It is also getting very interesting as they flesh it. New characters to examine not just the tired old 2nd and 3rd edition stalwarts.

Not Online!!! wrote:
I like their guns. (some really nice boltguns)
And the snipers.


The rest is meh

And the Lore of them is just.....

Anyways. I like the gun models.

in fairness the lore is still in development. so it'll take some time. standard Marines are the most fleshed out thing in 40k so.. the bar is high

The Horus Heresy started as a throwaway line to let you play Epic. I think the Primaris will be fine.

I do indeed like the Primaris marines. Together with the traditional marines, they provide a good variety of units for Kill Team. They look great and a basic team is very affordable - a copy of First Strike and you are laughing.

SamusDrake wrote:
I do indeed like the Primaris marines. Together with the traditional marines, they provide a good variety of units for Kill Team. They look great and a basic team is very affordable - a copy of First Strike and you are laughing.

I will admit an Intercessor/Reiver kill team from the First Strike box is more potent than I gave it credit. It is a decent kill team in a box/less than $50 US. Not single box of Deathwatch or Harliquins good, but arguably better than a single box of Necron Warriors (assuming you modify some to be Flayed Ones).