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This isn't really a List to built, or a Rule to question - but if the Mods wish to move to either as its more appropriate in one of the specific boards instead of the general, feel free. I went with general because it was a little bit, but not really either of anything.


Stormravens Cannot transport a Dreadnaught with a wounds characteristic of 13 or higher. Redemptor is already covered by the Primaris tag. Or should have been if they'd have given it the keyword. The Invictor isn't even a Dreadnaught keyword. Are they aiming at Forgeworld Dreads? Deredo, Leviathan are hit.

Command Squads have had their bodyguard reworded, and not in the best way - but it's cleared up. A Command squad now intercepts the entire hit and suffers a Mortal Wound per wound in the hit. What this opens up is surrounding the character with a half dozen min size Company Vets - Guilliman gets hit by a lascannon that does 6 wounds. X number of different 2 man Company Vet squads get to roll, the first one that succeeds intercepts the hit, and suffers 6 mortal wounds. Company Vets evaporate, excess mortal wounds are discarded.

Teleport Homers now require a representation model that doesn't count as a model for those of you who were just using tokens. Armorium Cherubs have returned to models that count as not-model tokens as well. No stat line, no interaction possible - they can't be a visible model, and can't be sniped, blasted, Nearest Model Mortal Wounded, etc..

Captains with MC Stalkers do 3D per shot. Which could be as close as we're going to get to a Dawn of War captain lugging around a Heavy Bolter or Plasma Cannon.

I think they reworded the Thunderfire Cannon Artiller/Operated Artillery rule with some sort of weird clunky "is said to be operating that" Thunderfire Cannon that I'm not sure what they're going after there.

They list "the following weapons" that count as Bolt/Flame/etc weapons. They do not add the disclaimer that this list is just an example and not necessarily complete suggesting anything not on the list isn't a bolt/flame/etc weapon. Sucks to be the Hand of Dominion.

Victrix Honor Guard no longer have a Storm Shield. They have an ULTIMA Storm Shield. That does not appear to currently be different than any other storm shield beyond potentially not being affected by stuff that affects a storm shield by name. Their bodyguard rule has also been cleaned up. And still not in the good way for models with Ultima Storm Shields.

Looking at the Litanies, I'm guessing at least one Smash Captain in a group of them could be replaced by a Smash Chaplain - Mantra of Strength adds 1A, 1S, and 1D to melee.

They removed the direct and obvious requirement to purchase a tank for Chronus. TFG can now claim they get a tank for Chronus for free. But he can't do it very often.

Honor Guard got cheaper, and have the improved Bodyguard rule. But they're still going to suffer in price compared to a Company Vet, and limited to squad size 2 per elite slot. They need their do-not-take-a-slot thing back.

Tyrannic War vets have made a return, but I still miss their HIGHLY entertaining rule allowing them to feed Krak Grenades to carnifexes. Also not sure if this was part of their Index sheet, they're now Sternguard, but can't take combi-weapons.



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Scryer's Gaze is VERY intruiging. Get 1CP or reroll the hit, wound, or damage roll within a certain distance for a unit. The entire unit. Not failed, Not one dice, the whole roll. For the Whole Unit. Talk about a gamble with a huge potential payoff. 4 Mutlimelta Devs etc roll uncharacteristically low. Reroll 4x 2D6 and discard 4x1D6 again.

Inheritors of the Primarch is beyond silly. If you play a successor chapter to a first founding you can use this as your only trait to get the Primogenitor trait, and if your successor chapter is known to be a successor to X (Example: Storm Lords) you must choose Y(White Scars). They can do the same thing by playing Storm Lords Counts As White Scars which most people will do because GW doesn't trickle down the bells and whistles to successor chapters like they should.




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Phobos Libbys can swap Obscuration for <Chapter> powers (assuming the rest follow the UM supplement) but not the Librarius so they're not locked into Obscuration.

Regarding Stormravens, that has effectively been the rule for a LONG time. You haven't been able to transport Leviathans or Deredeos for at least a year.

This is in the FW Index FAQ:

Q: Can a Stormraven Gunship transport a Relic Deredeo
Dreadnought or a Relic Leviathan Dreadnought?
A: No. For the purposes of determining what
Dreadnoughts a Stormraven Gunship can transport,
compare the Wounds characteristic of the model to that
of a Redemptor Dreadnought (13): a Stormraven Gunship
cannot transport a Dreadnought that has a Wounds
characteristic equal to or higher than this.

All they did is word it properly and put it where it belongs in the codex.

Which shows you how often I play with Forgeworld. And why 600 FAQ's might be a bad idea - especially if it's not double sourced - this should have been in the SM FAQ for the Stormraven

I also just re-read Scryer's Gaze. Its probably only one model from the unit and worded badly. That says Repulsors, Executioners, and Land Raiders to me. If you only get it for one model make it a big one with lots of shots.


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Cycle of War is the Stratagem that allows you to swap from Assault to Devastator Doctrine and begin the cycle anew for Turn 5/6 clean-up with the long ranged heavies.

Should have been part of the Doctrines to begin with, but it isn't horribly expensive.

Victrix honour guard have a unique storm shield? Why? Unless they plan on making their SS free to make them a more appealing choice

 fraser1191 wrote:
Victrix honour guard have a unique storm shield? Why? Unless they plan on making their SS free to make them a more appealing choice

Well they're in the supplement, with fixed/static equipment. Their price is including wargear. So in a way, that may be why they did it. To prevent confusion about whether you're supposed to pay for the gear, now they can make the specialist gear for the specialist unit 0. The Ultima Stormsheild is now like the Invictor Fist. Of course the price per model specifically saying Including Wargear was pretty clear to me.

Ironically they did go down in points by the cost of a Storm Shield.

Phobos captains bolt rifle is now dmg3 assault 1 which is pretty good, especially with the +1 dmg warlord trait.

Thank you GW for making the Cherub a "not-model". It sucked having that thing take up a space in transports, and having to take 9 Devs plus a Cherub in order to Combat Squad.

Now we're back to two Dev Squads with Cherubs in a single Drop Pod.

Here's what I've noticed. FW chaplains (a couple of named characters and the dreadnought) are way better than the standard ones. You're rarely going to be chosing anything other than litanies of hate anyway, and the FW one's don't have to roll for it. They haven't been erratad.

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
Here's what I've noticed. FW chaplains (a couple of named characters and the dreadnought) are way better than the standard ones. You're rarely going to be chosing anything other than litanies of hate anyway, and the FW one's don't have to roll for it. They haven't been erratad.

I've seen people point out a ton of weirdness with both the FW and Index options with this update. As a SM player I'm glad for the changes but this seems sloppy even by GW standards. It's like their rule writers forget about entire books sometimes when they release certain things.

Reposting from another thread:

A few things I noticed on my read through that were different from one preview or another:

The Whirlwind / Thunderer strat specifies that it works on an Indirect Fire weapon, not that it works on a target you don't have LoS to. It also doesn't say anything about shooting the same target.

The "go back to a previous doctrine" strat is once per game. The UM "go from Assault to Devastator" strat is not.

The Inflitrator's comm unit only works with Phobos characters.

The Phobos Captain's sniper rifle is Assault 1. Pretty sure it was a Heavy 1 before.

Phobos Lieutenant picked up the new dual knife and can now be a Reiver if he's armed correctly. Not sure why you would, but it's an option...

Iirc Hunters and Stalkers got a strat to reroll to-hit and to-wound when shooting Aircraft. If I'm remembering that wrong and it said Flyers then it's a lot better.

Assault Centurions got cheaper, Devastator Centurions did not. The Centurion Missile Launcher got cheaper though.

Tacs and Assault Marines gor cheaper, Devastator Marines did not. ...I need to check, but I think Jump Packs might have gone back up.

Autobolters being Assault 3 is just what they needed, but they're still 1 point so they're still wrong.

Auxiliary Grenade Launchers are 1 point again.

Base Reivers are now cheaper that Intercessors.

The Assault and Rapid Fire Plasma Incinerators are both 15 points now. The heavy is still 17 for no good reason.

The Icarus pod went up to D2, so that's a bonus for Redemptors.

I thought it was amusing that they wasted the ink reprinting Champions of Humanity since it has done literally nothing since ObSec was introduced.

Chronus in a Whirlwind Scorpius

Use the shoot again Strat.

9D3 Str6 Ap-3 D2 shots hitting on 2s on turn 1 without LoS needed. That's pretty tasty.

Bobby and dreadnoughts can now fight twice.

 Ishagu wrote:
Chronus in a Whirlwind Scorpius

Use the shoot again Strat.

9D3 Str6 Ap-3 D2 shots hitting on 2s on turn 1 without LoS needed. That's pretty tasty.

Expensive of course, but VERY cool. Scorpius was already 200 points I think?

217 I believe lol

 Ishagu wrote:
217 I believe lol

Chorus makes that incredibly expensive. Not sure if that's worth it but I'd be eager to try.

Question: how do you get 9d3 shots?

Wouldn’t it be even, since you’re shooting twice?

 JNAProductions wrote:
Question: how do you get 9d3 shots?

Wouldn’t it be even, since you’re shooting twice?

It gets to shoot 3 times ability plus strategum stacks.
But it's actually more points than just 2 whirlwinds anyway, it's not much short of 3.