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Hang on a second with this. It says while tac doctrine is active all models who moved count as stationary.

Now everyone lost their s**t about this in regards to agressors which is fine but omg does this mean:

Devi squads - just move and fire no -1
Tanks - just move and fire no -1
Incessors/sternguard/scouts just move and double tap with bolter drill?! like all the time whilst in tac mode

so 2cp on them on rapid fire strat... 10 of them move forwards, fire 40 s4 -1 shots...

am i missing something...

No, you're not missing anything.

 Latro_ wrote:
Hang on a second with this. It says while tac doctrine is active all models who moved count as stationary.

Now everyone lost their s**t about this in regards to agressors which is fine but omg does this mean:

Devi squads - just move and fire no -1
Tanks - just move and fire no -1
Incessors/sternguard/scouts just move and double tap with bolter drill?! like all the time whilst in tac mode

so 2cp on them on rapid fire strat... 10 of them move forwards, fire 40 s4 -1 shots...

am i missing something...

Yes, you are-those are Rapid Fire shots in the Tactical Doctrine, meaning they're AP-2 actually.

haha kaboom. i'm so looking forward to see how this game against guard turns out tomorrow.

The RAW in Scions make it so that models with the doctrine counts as stationary when making Attacks with weapons. In Effect no heavy penalty when moving an double firing bolters. It doesn't make it so that your aggressors counts as stationary when you choose them to shoot with.
If it would work in the manner that people say all ultramarines flyers would crash in your movement phase because they count as stationary.

Azzazzin89 wrote:
The RAW in Scions make it so that models with the doctrine counts as stationary when making Attacks with weapons. In Effect no heavy penalty when moving an double firing bolters. It doesn't make it so that your aggressors counts as stationary when you choose them to shoot with.
If it would work in the manner that people say all ultramarines flyers would crash in your movement phase because they count as stationary.

are you basing this on the difference between did not move and remained stationary? The Scions literally says as if they remained stationary. Aggressors says did not move. You can make a distinction between the two, but you’ll have to work at it, especially since you just Freudian Slipped the two together.

Breton wrote:

Azzazzin89 wrote:
The RAW in Scions make it so that models with the doctrine counts as stationary when making Attacks with weapons. In Effect no heavy penalty when moving an double firing bolters. It doesn't make it so that your aggressors counts as stationary when you choose them to shoot with.
If it would work in the manner that people say all ultramarines flyers would crash in your movement phase because they count as stationary.

are you basing this on the difference between did not move and remained stationary? The Scions literally says as if they remained stationary. Aggressors says did not move. You can make a distinction between the two, but you’ll have to work at it, especially since you just Freudian Slipped the two together.

Partly, it was meant as part of an argument .
The argument I am trying to make is that Scions states that you treat your weapon attacks as if the model had remained stationary you do not treat the model as being stationary in any other instances such as for filling the conditions of Aggressors Firestorm.

Sure I equated "Stationary" and "did not move" with each other, seeing as everybody is already doing that. I am merely pointing out that if this is true in the case of aggressors it is also true in the case of flyers.

However if a flyer is allowed to move and not crash eventhough Scions states that it counts as stationary that would mean Scions have no interaction whatsoever with the abilities on a models datasheet.

Azzazzin89 wrote:
. I am merely pointing out that if this is true in the case of aggressors it is also true in the case of flyers.

However if a flyer is allowed to move and not crash even though Scions states that it counts as stationary that would mean Scions have no interaction whatsoever with the abilities on a models datasheet.

Well Flyers don't crash if they shoot as not having moved. You're applying checks for one thing (Flyers crashing) in one phase to another thing (shooting as if stationary) in another phase the rule(s) don't even refer to. So far your argument is little different than Aggressors don't get to Firestorm because the room is painted blue.

An aircraft is allowed to move and not crash because the rule says if they don't move, they crash, not the other way around. The Aircraft rule doesn't say models that shoot as if they haven't moved will crash. Most of these rules have been "published" for free by GW as part of a FAQ or Teaser for the Codex release, but it still sounds like you're reading from some sort of paraphrasing.

I was wondering if you advanced with any model I guess you still cannot fire unless you had an assault weapon or a special rule.

E.g. scions does not let you move then advance then fire a lascannon

 Latro_ wrote:
I was wondering if you advanced with any model I guess you still cannot fire unless you had an assault weapon or a special rule.

E.g. scions does not let you move then advance then fire a lascannon

Yes, the scions rule only works if the unit did not advance or fall back.

 KingGarland wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
I was wondering if you advanced with any model I guess you still cannot fire unless you had an assault weapon or a special rule.

E.g. scions does not let you move then advance then fire a lascannon

Yes, the scions rule only works if the unit did not advance or fall back.

Additionally even if you have an assault weapon, you can't advance, and fire WITH the bonuses of Scions.