Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

"Use this stratagem before the battle, after nominating your warlord. Select one adeptus astartes character from your army that is not your warlord and determine one warlord trait for it; it is regarded as your warlord for the purposes of that warlord trait.... stuff about no duplicate traits, once per battle"

A. Is there any reason this can't be used on a named character like chief librarian tigurius as long as he is not the warlord?

B. If so, would the named character be able to choose a warlord trait or would they be forced to have the preset one?
"Named characters and warlord traits: if one of the following characters is your warlord, they must have the associated warlord trait shown below."

It can be a named character yes.

As it says to determine the warlord trait, that clearly says to me that all normal restrictions apply. Therefore a named character must take their usual Warlord Trait.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
"Use this stratagem before the battle, after nominating your warlord. Select one adeptus astartes character from your army that is not your warlord and determine one warlord trait for it; it is regarded as your warlord for the purposes of that warlord trait.... stuff about no duplicate traits, once per battle"

A. Is there any reason this can't be used on a named character like chief librarian tigurius as long as he is not the warlord?

B. If so, would the named character be able to choose a warlord trait or would they be forced to have the preset one?
"Named characters and warlord traits: if one of the following characters is your warlord, they must have the associated warlord trait shown below."

You're able to use it on a Named Character just fine, but the rules for Warlord Traits state that Named Characters must be given a specific trait. Thus, when you "determine one warlord trait", you must give it the locked in trait.

I am having this same issue trying to explain this to someone who does not believe that a named character is locked to their own warlord trait when it come to the stratagem. Can you tell me specifically where this is stated that they can not take other warlord traits?

On the buttom of the warlord trait page in your codex there is a box which says that named character(s) must have the associated warlord trait(s).

Again I will say I believe this is how it works as well. The problem seems to lie in the wording of the strat that saying that it's not your warlord and that it says there can be no duplicates so if choosing two named characters it wouldn't work. I don't understand it myself. But a lot of people are saying it's saying two different things. All good tho. I wrote to GW and got the reply we are aware of this issue. So I assume we will see soon.

A named character it must take the Warlord Trait listed in the codex.

If using this strat this would then cause a duplicate, you cannot use it on that character, or you must take a different WL trait on the other character.

Yep, agreed. But some seem to be picking a choosing how they read it.

I dunno RAW it does say " if one of the following characters is your warlord, they must have the associated warlord trait shown below"

The person target by the strat is not you warlord.

I do believe RAI is the named character cant take a different trait... not sure that RAW suggests they cant though. As long as they do not become your warlord.

 Type40 wrote:
I dunno RAW it does say " if one of the following characters is your warlord, they must have the associated warlord trait shown below"

The person target by the strat is not you warlord.

I do believe RAI is the named character cant take a different trait... not sure that RAW suggests they cant though. As long as they do not become your warlord.

The Strat also says they are treated as the Warlord for the purposes of the Warlord Trait. To me that means RAW they have to take their fixed trait.

 Stux wrote:

 Type40 wrote:
I dunno RAW it does say " if one of the following characters is your warlord, they must have the associated warlord trait shown below"

The person target by the strat is not you warlord.

I do believe RAI is the named character cant take a different trait... not sure that RAW suggests they cant though. As long as they do not become your warlord.

The Strat also says they are treated as the Warlord for the purposes of the Warlord Trait. To me that means RAW they have to take their fixed trait.

Ah, I missed that, then definitely there is no argument. If they are a named character they MUST use their particular trait... that's the RAW.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
In fact, I can't see any other reason for the inclusion of "treat it as your warlord for the purpose of the warlord trait" but to make sure it limits named characters...

For example the imperial knight version of this is worded differently.

Many (most, all?) Warlord Trait rules refer to the Warlord in how they operate. If the Stratagem didn't tell you to treat the character as the Warlord, they wouldn't work on that character.

 alextroy wrote:
Many (most, all?) Warlord Trait rules refer to the Warlord in how they operate. If the Stratagem didn't tell you to treat the character as the Warlord, they wouldn't work on that character.

Fair enough, still doesn't change the fact that if a unit is treated as your warlord it must follow restrictions for that said warlord.

I'm glad I'm not the crazy one. But hopefully, GW will just add Clarification in the next FAQ so it's not another reason for people to argue with each other or a TO at a tournament. I don't believe it need clarification but there is a mile long Reddit post to the contrary.

 Type40 wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Many (most, all?) Warlord Trait rules refer to the Warlord in how they operate. If the Stratagem didn't tell you to treat the character as the Warlord, they wouldn't work on that character.

Fair enough, still doesn't change the fact that if a unit is treated as your warlord it must follow restrictions for that said warlord.

But it's not. For all game purposes, the new character is not the warlord. The only time it counts as the warlord is when applying the rules from the trait itself (E.G.: "The Warlord gains +2 S"). Can't give up stuff like "Slay the Warlord" and other things like that.

Wow I assumed they couldn't - this is actually pretty awesome. Tiggy has one of the best warlord traits so now I can stop having to make a LT a walord.

 Type40 wrote:

 Stux wrote:

 Type40 wrote:
I dunno RAW it does say " if one of the following characters is your warlord, they must have the associated warlord trait shown below"

The person target by the strat is not you warlord.

I do believe RAI is the named character cant take a different trait... not sure that RAW suggests they cant though. As long as they do not become your warlord.

The Strat also says they are treated as the Warlord for the purposes of the Warlord Trait. To me that means RAW they have to take their fixed trait.

Ah, I missed that, then definitely there is no argument. If they are a named character they MUST use their particular trait... that's the RAW.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
In fact, I can't see any other reason for the inclusion of "treat it as your warlord for the purpose of the warlord trait" but to make sure it limits named characters...

For example the imperial knight version of this is worded differently.

I always assumed it was so that nobody could say their trait doesn't work, because they're not a warlord, especially for traits that refer to your Warlord i.e "If your Warlord is...." or "Models within 6" of your Warlord...."

 Orodhen wrote:

 Type40 wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Many (most, all?) Warlord Trait rules refer to the Warlord in how they operate. If the Stratagem didn't tell you to treat the character as the Warlord, they wouldn't work on that character.

Fair enough, still doesn't change the fact that if a unit is treated as your warlord it must follow restrictions for that said warlord.

But it's not. For all game purposes, the new character is not the warlord. The only time it counts as the warlord is when applying the rules from the trait itself (E.G.: "The Warlord gains +2 S"). Can't give up stuff like "Slay the Warlord" and other things like that.

but you just said yourself it says "for the purpose of this warlord trait, it is counted as your warlord"

Well, warlord traits are considered to have restrictions in the rules... i.e. named characters must take their own.

So for the purposes of this warlord trait, which has a restriction that named characters must pick specific ones, treat this model as your warlord... I dont see where the confusion is ? it says to treat it as though it was your warlord... you can't be like "oh its my warlord for all purposes related to this trait except for the rules around warlord traits that i dont like.

 Type40 wrote:

 Orodhen wrote:

 Type40 wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Many (most, all?) Warlord Trait rules refer to the Warlord in how they operate. If the Stratagem didn't tell you to treat the character as the Warlord, they wouldn't work on that character.

Fair enough, still doesn't change the fact that if a unit is treated as your warlord it must follow restrictions for that said warlord.

But it's not. For all game purposes, the new character is not the warlord. The only time it counts as the warlord is when applying the rules from the trait itself (E.G.: "The Warlord gains +2 S"). Can't give up stuff like "Slay the Warlord" and other things like that.

but you just said yourself it says "for the purpose of this warlord trait, it is counted as your warlord"

Well, warlord traits are considered to have restrictions in the rules... i.e. named characters must take their own.

So for the purposes of this warlord trait, which has a restriction that named characters must pick specific ones, treat this model as your warlord... I dont see where the confusion is ? it says to treat it as though it was your warlord... you can't be like "oh its my warlord for all purposes related to this trait except for the rules around warlord traits that i dont like.

Yes, this is exactly my reasoning here.