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So, when fighting the green ladz, do you tend to enjoy your games or would you rather be facing another army?

And please explain why

Ork players themselves are often very fun to play against, but I don't find the army to be a particularly fun gaming experience as an opponent. It's nothing to do with power level , but mainly down to their design. I'm not a fan of 40k's ever-expanding buckets of dice and Orks turn that right up to 11, which makes playing against them often turn into an exercise in patience as you wait for your opponent to roll dozens of attacks, often with a bunch of bonuses like exploding 6s, often without achieving very much. Then you have the fact that a slightly lucky roll can really swing things in the Ork player's favour, especially with shooting, because they have a few powerful weapons (like the SAG) that are usually absolutely fine but every now and then go insane. It's thematic but frustrating.

That probably sums up Orks as a whole. In some ways they remind me of Wood Elves from Warhammer. They had very thematic rules that were very appropriate for the style of play the army was supposed to use but that style of play was quite frustrating to play against (for different reasons as far as WE were concerned, but the principle is the same). I think GW could have come up with a more elegant solution than "roll more dice" to represent the way Orks play so opponents don't spend so much time watching dice being rolled.

No, even as a former ork player.

Reliance on Tellyporta shenanigans and grots just Irks me to no end (except it's snakebits). It's imo not a good designed army atm. (like many others out there) Rellying on Alpha strike shenanigans and not really on tactical manouevering (like many other armies out there), based upon frontloading CP in order to actually achieve reliable enough units worth their pts.

The Horde factor is not an issue imo, so long the ork player plays speditively.

One thing i dont like with orks is how easaly they can ignore the mpvement phase. With da jump, tellyporta, green tide strat, ere we go and evil sunz they can simply tleport and easaly charge 9 inches into melee with most of their army.

This removes most of the planning in the game as aslmost all units will be dead or tied in melee end of round 2.

The amount of dice and extra rolls is also tedious.

I agree with everything that has been said.

 Jidmah wrote:
So, when fighting the green ladz, do you tend to enjoy your games or would you rather be facing another army?

And please explain why

Absolutely, as long as it's not too often. I like playing against Orks today, Eldar tomorrow, Nids the day after. Variety is the spice of life. And lots of dice rolls don't bother me.

Interesting how the content of the thread doesn't match the poll.

I'd just like to add that I share the feeling about dice rolling when playing orks, especially since I've started playing Deathguard. You roll way to many dice to archive too little.

Shooting bad moons dakkajets is a chore.

I feel about the same on orks as a player anyway. like I sometimes skip shooting pistols on ork boyz because... let me just waste both our tiems rollign 30 dice rolling, rerollign the 1s if badmoons, then exploding 6's which reroll 1's as well. then after to wound rolls and saves its like... well that was 2 min to remove 15 points worth of models before charging and erasing things.

can also echo on the SAG whiel it cna be powerful I find it ususally... isn't I often get 1 good shooting phase out of it providing it survives long enough to get its shots off more than 3 turns. It is just as frustrating to the ork player to be rockign it and have to roll the str, opponents dread the rolls of 1 and 12 while the orks dred the rolls of 1 and 2. If GW would just give it a set str and number of shots I would be happy. str 8 heavy 6 ap-3 D D6 would be great average 2 hits, against most tanks average 1 wound so semi reliable D6 from a pricey anti tank HQ

I have been fortunate enough not to play them, but since too-many-dice basically made me stop playing 40K, no...I don't imagine I would.

I more or less stopped playing 40K in the last few months because I got tired of units rolling 50+ dice per attack. (let alone those which got into the hundreds...and then had an ability to fight again, etc.).

Orks are more or less the epitome of this style of play in many of their builds that I've watch on TT, etc.

I enjoy playing against Orks. As an army, 8th edition matches their lethality about the same way that 3rd edition did. Back then, people feared massed Boyz, especially Marine players, because their Choppas reduced your army to 4+, and when they Waaghed they could make big charges. Truly, they hit like a brick. If you could weather that storm though, the Orks could quickly run out of steam.

8th, I find, plays very similarly. They have some heavy hitters, but largely it's weight of dice and an initial big charge that deal the real damage. If you survive that, the Orks start to collapse quickly. I find this makes games against them different in that I usually need to figure out how to survive a couple turns first more than how do I kill them as fast as possible.

Design-wise, I think it’s a bit off that their best builds are increasingly more shooty, similarly to how Space Wolves in 5th felt fundamentally misdesigned with heavily favoring shooty castles.

That said, if it’s list that is a bit more creative than the SAG relic and as many Smasha Guns as you can fit, they are usually fun games.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Design-wise, I think it’s a bit off that their best builds are increasingly more shooty, similarly to how Space Wolves in 5th felt fundamentally misdesigned with heavily favoring shooty castles.

That said, if it’s list that is a bit more creative than the SAG relic and as many Smasha Guns as you can fit, they are usually fun games.

I wouldn't say thir best builds are more shooty. they cna take mek guns, but hardly any higher place lists are running less than 90-120 boyz so at the bottom its still ~1/3 boyz plus the hqs to support em (usually a warboss and wierdboy miniumum)

As an Ork player of course I love it. Very, very quickly tactics go out the window as we rile each other up and we just throw our armies into a bloodbath. It's glorious.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
As an Ork player of course I love it. Very, very quickly tactics go out the window as we rile each other up and we just throw our armies into a bloodbath. It's glorious.

I miss those mirror matches, especially when they escalated into brawls and everything got commited, even the lootas.

so much Nostalgia

I'd rather play against orks than eldar. Really love any game of 40k that was different from the last. Not a huge fan of being charged turn 1 and there's nothing I could do about it though. A completed charge should be the reward for good play not...haha I have this ability that lets me jump anywhere on the table every turn. While GK can do too - the GK don't also outnumber me 4-1.

Overall though I find playing against orks to be full of action and that is great. Gunlines are boring.

 Xenomancers wrote:
I'd rather play against orks than eldar. Really love any game of 40k that was different from the last. Not a huge fan of being charged turn 1 and there's nothing I could do about it though. A completed charge should be the reward for good play not...haha I have this ability that lets me jump anywhere on the table every turn. While GK can do too - the GK don't also outnumber me 4-1.

Overall though I find playing against orks to be full of action and that is great. Gunlines are boring.

I can only assume you'll not be using the new drop pod rule then?

When push comes to shove; Orks are not my favorite army to play against, but they're not bad.

I don't know what army I don't like to play against; maybe Eldar, maybe Space Marines.

While I'm not really a huge fan of mass melee as a strategy [mostly because it feels very basic, non-interactive, straightforward, and unduly rewarding for it's simplicity], orks don't feel bad to play against [to be fair Orks are good shooters too]. The only thing I don't like is the character shokk cannon that fires twice; because it's basically impossible to interact with while it wrecks 2 tanks a turn. Most characters like Captain Smash who are absurdly powerful also tend to have to expose themselves to use their power; the Mek is basically perma-safe from everything but a Vindicare. That said, there's worse in the game.

I've always enjoyed games against orks. In RT, I no joke killed an entire waaaargh over the course of a school year. Havent killed that much lately since there are only 2 ork players @ FLGS and they only play orks like 15% of the time.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
I'd rather play against orks than eldar. Really love any game of 40k that was different from the last. Not a huge fan of being charged turn 1 and there's nothing I could do about it though. A completed charge should be the reward for good play not...haha I have this ability that lets me jump anywhere on the table every turn. While GK can do too - the GK don't also outnumber me 4-1.

Overall though I find playing against orks to be full of action and that is great. Gunlines are boring.

I can only assume you'll not be using the new drop pod rule then?

At 65 points? Nope. 62 point weird boy puts it to shame and so do the assault units that can benefit from it. Maybe if I could put aggressors or centurions in there I would but alas - can't.

I have found that my gaming community loves playing against orks. For the main reason that even if they lose they still destroyed a lot of models for the most part. It gives the illusion that it was closer than it may have been.

This is still true in 8th but was ridiculous in 7th. Everyone wanted to play me mainly because I was the only ork player with an underpowered codex. It was easy to table me.

As long as units gets destroyed I don't usually have complaints even in 8th.

mhalko1 wrote:
I have found that my gaming community loves playing against orks. For the main reason that even if they lose they still destroyed a lot of models for the most part. It gives the illusion that it was closer than it may have been.

This is still true in 8th but was ridiculous in 7th. Everyone wanted to play me mainly because I was the only ork player with an underpowered codex. It was easy to table me.

As long as units gets destroyed I don't usually have complaints even in 8th.

have you heard about your lord and saviour Khorne?

I think there are 20% of the respondents that didn't understand the question.

Everyone loves playing against Orks. People that don't love playing against Orks are simply failing at enjoying the existence of Orks to play against.

I haven't played against them in 8th edition... frankly it's been a long time since I've played against them, but I always enjoy playing against them. I always found it was like punching big chunks out of each others armies as the game went on. A block of Boys falls, the Kans crush my front line, the tanks rock the Kans, the Nobs open my tanks... I always felt like the game really rocked back and forth during the turns.

Like any straight forward army (run forward, shoot, charge... charge again... and again!) there were always nuances that clever generals could exploit and thus more-clever-er generals would need to counter play. They play (ed) like a dark mirror of Guard. Everything is expendable, the trick is to trade up in value and learn to roll with the punches.

But hey, I like that kind of play and playing into that is fun too!

I've always had fun anytime I've fought Orks.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Design-wise, I think it’s a bit off that their best builds are increasingly more shooty, similarly to how Space Wolves in 5th felt fundamentally misdesigned with heavily favoring shooty castles.

That's actually pretty on-spot for how orks fight in the fluff. For example in the novel Helsreach (Black Templars vs Orks, the novel), after initially bouncing off the imperal defenses, orks resort to building artillery, gargants and planes in order to whither down the walls of the hive.

"Orks are a melee army" is just an urban myth spread by people who have never bothered take a closer look at orks. Orks are pretty as much exactly as much a melee army as marines are.


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 Xenomancers wrote:
I'd rather play against orks than eldar. Really love any game of 40k that was different from the last. Not a huge fan of being charged turn 1 and there's nothing I could do about it though. A completed charge should be the reward for good play not...haha I have this ability that lets me jump anywhere on the table every turn. While GK can do too - the GK don't also outnumber me 4-1.

Overall though I find playing against orks to be full of action and that is great. Gunlines are boring.

There is something you can do about it. Try infiltrators, with just two units of them, charging your army from deep strike becomes impossible until the ork player has wasted insane amounts of shooting to kill ten dudes holding bolters.

Another yes vote, whilst the army is neither here nor there to play against many of the most fun to play against people choose them as a faction which tends to make for great games even when the tabletop action is not the best.

I play Orks and of late Ive found exactly this.
Likely need to change up my build I feel as its getting a bit tedious.

No, even as a former ork player.

Reliance on Tellyporta shenanigans and grots just Irks me to no end (except it's snakebits). It's imo not a good designed army atm. (like many others out there) Rellying on Alpha strike shenanigans and not really on tactical manouevering (like many other armies out there), based upon frontloading CP in order to actually achieve reliable enough units worth their pts.

 Ratius wrote:
I play Orks and of late Ive found exactly this.
Likely need to change up my build I feel as its getting a bit tedious.

No, even as a former ork player.

Reliance on Tellyporta shenanigans and grots just Irks me to no end (except it's snakebits). It's imo not a good designed army atm. (like many others out there) Rellying on Alpha strike shenanigans and not really on tactical manouevering (like many other armies out there), based upon frontloading CP in order to actually achieve reliable enough units worth their pts.

So i am not completely off then?


Call me an old school ork then, I like the charge, the hugging of cover, the fast boyz in truks and the battlewagons right behind it.
I also really like the improved dakka that orks got so that shooting actually is ok.

As for grotz. Look i like the lads. but Orks are well Orkz, and when grotz are your meat of the army something went wrong. (except snakebites)
Then again i also think CSM using cultists only was wrong. (atleast for some legions it is.)

Also the reliance on such stratagems i feel like has forced pricehikes on certain units that would not have needed it, making the unit without the stratagem virtually useless. It's crutch for GW and comptetive play to make the army look fine cus " Look they have good results in tobtable, they can't be that bad" when in reality it was the spamming of Combnation X that only just made the units work. (or in the case of CSM, everyone and their mother is an Alpha legionaire slaanesh worshipping hedonist. Or purge. That's it.) Meanwhile the rest of the subfactions sits there and turns thumbs having to pay the bill for the specific few combinations that make something broken.

I voted no, but that was based on a poor experience where the player was the issue and not the army as such.

Overall fairly non-plussed by them, they're an army that relies on Da Jump and the re-rollable charge to win the game and that's not fun to play against when it goes off and nor is it fun to play when that power fizzles.

Ork players have beeen great, but the army was tedious to play against. They should come with movement trays. I love the theme and look of irks though.

 argonak wrote:
Ork players have beeen great, but the army was tedious to play against. They should come with movement trays. I love the theme and look of irks though.

As an Ork player I fully agree with this. I tried the new movement trays GW came out with in my last Ork battle and it removed half the tedium of playing Orks. Now I just need a dice roller. Maybe I could make a giant popper like in the Trouble board-game, scare everyone in the store with the noise...