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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/08/20 18:03:23
Subject: Can I double tap people as they charge with defensive focus?
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Repentia Mistress
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"use this stratagem after an ultramarines unit from your army is chosen as a target of a charge. select up to three other friendly ultramarines units that are more than 1'' away from any enemy units and within" of the targeted unit. The selected units fire overwatch at the charging unit as if they were targets of the charge."
I am imagining I have a blob of units. GSC player drops and announces he will charge all of them. I want to shoot with everyone once but also use the stratagem to shoot with 3 squads on top of that.
As I read it nothing excludes me from choosing 3 other units that are also declared as being part of that charge.
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hey what time is it?
"Try looking on page 12 of the FAQ."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/08/20 18:07:15
Subject: Can I double tap people as they charge with defensive focus?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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That is correct. However, note that overwatch happens with each charge declared. The GSC doesn't declare all charges and then you shoot overwatch; he declares a charge, you overwatch, then (if able) declares their next charge, and you overwatch (if able).
So, they declare 1 unit as charging, and you can pop this stratagem to have up to 3 other units contribute to that overwatch action. Those units can have already shot overwatch before this turn, and can also shoot overwatch again afterwards.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/08/20 18:16:21
Subject: Can I double tap people as they charge with defensive focus?
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Norn Queen
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Aijec wrote:"use this stratagem after an ultramarines unit from your army is chosen as a target of a charge. select up to three other friendly ultramarines units that are more than 1'' away from any enemy units and within" of the targeted unit. The selected units fire overwatch at the charging unit as if they were targets of the charge."
I am imagining I have a blob of units. GSC player drops and announces he will charge all of them. I want to shoot with everyone once but also use the stratagem to shoot with 3 squads on top of that.
As I read it nothing excludes me from choosing 3 other units that are also declared as being part of that charge.
It seems that you are correct, you can do it in addition to normal overwatch.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/08/20 18:17:47
Subject: Can I double tap people as they charge with defensive focus?
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Repentia Mistress
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Just to be clear: If a squad of orks charges my unit of scouts and 3 other tactical marine units can I use the stratagem to choose those very same 3 tactical squads to overwatch twice?
Once naturally and once with the stratagem
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hey what time is it?
"Try looking on page 12 of the FAQ."
-Ghaz |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/08/20 18:18:29
Subject: Can I double tap people as they charge with defensive focus?
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Horrific Hive Tyrant
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Agreed, but I will reiterate Yarium: charges are declared and resolved one by one. Once a successful charge causes units to become within 1" of enemies then those units cannot fire any overwatch in subsequent charges, with or without the Strat.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/08/20 18:18:58
Subject: Can I double tap people as they charge with defensive focus?
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Norn Queen
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Aijec wrote:Just to be clear: If a squad of orks charges my unit of scouts and 3 other tactical marine units can I use the stratagem to choose those very same 3 tactical squads to overwatch twice?
Once naturally and once with the stratagem
As written, it seems to be so.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/08/20 18:28:16
Subject: Can I double tap people as they charge with defensive focus?
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Repentia Mistress
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Stux wrote:Agreed, but I will reiterate Yarium: charges are declared and resolved one by one. Once a successful charge causes units to become within 1" of enemies then those units cannot fire any overwatch in subsequent charges, with or without the Strat.
That's good to keep in mind! If a gunline is really under pressure you need to push the button when you can.
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hey what time is it?
"Try looking on page 12 of the FAQ."
-Ghaz |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/08/21 00:09:46
Subject: Re:Can I double tap people as they charge with defensive focus?
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Confessor Of Sins
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I disagree with the opinions given about the timing of Overwatch and Charge declaration. Choosing Targets of your charge is a separate step of the Charge Sequence than Overwatch. It specifically allows you to choose multiple targets. Once you are done, you move onto Overwatch. You do not get to see the results of each Overwatch to then decide if you want to charge more targets.
That being said, the RAW does seem to allow you to have a unit fire Overwatch twice if it is one of multiple units being charged. I'm thinking GW will issue Errata of "three units not targets of the charge" to avoid such shenanigans.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/08/21 00:55:46
Subject: Can I double tap people as they charge with defensive focus?
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Battlefortress Driver with Krusha Wheel
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I imagine it will end up being worded like For The Greater Good. As in, if you use this Strat, the units chosen cannot fire Overwatch again that phase.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/08/21 05:28:11
Subject: Re:Can I double tap people as they charge with defensive focus?
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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I don't think you can fire overwatch twice at a charging unit. You can only do what the rules allow you to do, and the rules don't say you get to shoot twice at a charging unit. If four units are charged by a single enemy unit those four units already fire overwatch. The stratagem doesn't allow them to shoot twice.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/08/21 06:26:37
Subject: Can I double tap people as they charge with defensive focus?
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Witch Hunter in the Shadows
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I agree - the stratagem let's you treat up to three units as if they were also the target of a charge. If they're already being charged by that unit, this doesn't change anything
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/08/21 07:43:43
Subject: Can I double tap people as they charge with defensive focus?
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Dakka Veteran
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"The selected units fire overwatch at the charging unit as if they were targets of the charge."
So, in my interpretation, units that are already targets of the charge gain nothing.
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