What's currently the best Space Marine Gunline army?

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**Elbows**

I just find the re-roll '1's ability friggin' brutal with a heavily armed DA force...particularly given their propensity to feature plasma. Plasma is already too good (and has been all edition), so the ability to more or less ignore the penalty for overcharging is just silly sometimes.

**Stux**

Elbows wrote:
I just find the re-roll '1's ability friggin' brutal with a heavily armed DA force...particularly given their propensity to feature plasma. Plasma is already too good (and has been all edition), so the ability to more or less ignore the penalty for overcharging is just silly sometimes.

I'll be honest, I get very little mileage out of that ability. I use a lot of plasma, but I'm keeping most of it crammed around Azrael anyway for the 4++. I deep strike some things (Plasma Inceptors are actually fantastic in Dark Angels), and they can't use it of course.

**Sir Heckington**

Peregrine wrote:
Gir Spirit Bane wrote:
Peregrine wrote:
The best gunline is the one that goes straight into the trash. Be a better person, don't bring a mindless army that isn't fun for either player.

Way to add... nothing of particular value or advice to a good conversation! Players are allowed to enjoy playing and playing into a gunline Peregrine, long as you're not playing on planet bowling alley it's all good.

Its very relevant and useful to point out that taking a gunline, while not technically illegal, is one of those things (like not painting your models, getting mad when you lose, etc) that is likely to cause all of your local players to mysteriously have other commitments every time you show up looking for a game. But sure, if you don't mind playing 95% of your games against the TFG that nobody else is willing to play with go ahead and build a gunline.

IOW, Don't play Tau.

**wuestenfux**

Well, I'd make a poll.

**bullyboy**

Elbows wrote:
I just find the re-roll '1's ability friggin' brutal with a heavily armed DA force...particularly given their propensity to feature plasma. Plasma is already too good (and has been all edition), so the ability to more or less ignore the penalty for overcharging is just silly sometimes.

Plasma is in no way too good this edition simply for the amount of negative modifiers out there. It doesn't help to reroll 1s, when 2s will kill your expensive plasma model. Just look where DAs are currently in win rates and tell me they, or their affinity for plasma, are overpowered.

**The Newman**

bullyboy wrote:
Elbows wrote:
I just find the re-roll '1's ability friggin' brutal with a heavily armed DA force...particularly given their propensity to feature plasma. Plasma is already too good (and has been all edition), so the ability to more or less ignore the penalty for overcharging is just silly sometimes.

Plasma is in no way too good this edition simply for the amount of negative modifiers out there. It doesn't help to reroll 1s, when 2s will kill your expensive plasma model. Just look where DAs are currently in win rates and tell me they, or their affinity for plasma, are overpowered.

If you think slaying on 2s is bad, try playing excusively with the CoD rules and usually slaying on 3s. The ability to overcharge is completely worthless in my meta, and nobody takes Plasma if they have another option except for DA.

**Elbows**

bullyboy wrote:
Elbows wrote:
I just find the re-roll '1's ability friggin' brutal with a heavily armed DA force...particularly given their propensity to feature plasma. Plasma is already too good (and has been all edition), so the ability to more or less ignore the penalty for overcharging is just silly sometimes.

Plasma is in no way too good this edition simply for the amount of negative modifiers out there. It doesn't help to reroll 1s, when 2s will kill your expensive plasma model. Just look where DAs are currently in win rates and tell me they, or their affinity for plasma, are overpowered.

Why do I care what DA win rates are? Oh, I suppose my response doesn't count because you're a tournament player, correct? Understood.