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Some of the original legions held grudges against one another, say for example the Iron Warrior and the Imperial Fists, Iron Hands and the Emperor's Children, but who is Corvus Corax's and his Raven Guard's rival legion/Primarch? I'm not talking about friendly competition here, but actual battling it out and hating one another?

Konrad Curze was his rival

Enron wrote:
Konrad Curze was his rival

no he wasn;t Corax and Cruze barely interacted. sure Corax HATED Cruze but every primarch did (the guy was completely insane)
IIRC the Primarch Corax had the biggest issue with was actually Horus, whom in a campaign ordered the raven guard into a frontal assault that saw them take numerous losses, Corax vowed after that to never fight beside Horus again.

I'm sure that after the Alpha Legion corrupted his "rebuild my legion" project, he probably hated the Alpha Legion quite a bit.

Wouldn't surprise me considering the status of the alpha legion as the meme Wand of doom for gw

 dracpanzer wrote:
I'm sure that after the Alpha Legion corrupted his "rebuild my legion" project, he probably hated the Alpha Legion quite a bit.

I don't think he ever found out thatw as the AL did he?

BrianDavion wrote:

 dracpanzer wrote:
I'm sure that after the Alpha Legion corrupted his "rebuild my legion" project, he probably hated the Alpha Legion quite a bit.

I don't think he ever found out thatw as the AL did he?

Yep. Hell, his Legion found out that the Alpha Legion did it. There's a mention in one of the short stories in the HH 'Corax' collection about the 'falsefaced' between two Raptors.

BrianDavion wrote:

 dracpanzer wrote:
I'm sure that after the Alpha Legion corrupted his "rebuild my legion" project, he probably hated the Alpha Legion quite a bit.

I don't think he ever found out thatw as the AL did he?

He didn't find out that they sabotaged the geneseed from his own version of the Primaris project. He did know about the Alpha's legion's attack on his homeworld that almost wiped the chapter out. He was paticularrly incensed since they not only wore Raven Guard armor during the attack, but several of his own raven guard were found to be surgically altered alpha legionarries, leading to a complete gene-testing and purge of the legion.

Before the Heresy, Corax doesn't seem to have had a rival, but a lot of that has to do with the kind of Primarch he was. He was defintly one of the more optimistic outlooking of the primarchs and was far more likely to blame himself than others for failings. He probably was a natural rival for The Khan, since both legions had similar mission profiles and were natural competitors, but there's no sign this ever lead to animosity between them

Not every founding legion had to have another legion enemy.

Its both bad writing and bad management.

 Frazzled wrote:
Not every founding legion had to have another legion enemy.

Its both bad writing and bad management.

Because 40k doesn't have either of those...

pm713 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Not every founding legion had to have another legion enemy.

Its both bad writing and bad management.

Because 40k doesn't have either of those...

in this case the raven guard didn't have a specific rival no. the closest as I said seems to be a "we'll never work with him again" semntiment re horus

BrianDavion wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Not every founding legion had to have another legion enemy.

Its both bad writing and bad management.

Because 40k doesn't have either of those...

in this case the raven guard didn't have a specific rival no. the closest as I said seems to be a "we'll never work with him again" semntiment re horus

I was referring to bad writing and management which 40k has in spades.

After the battle of Battle of Gate Forty-Two he'd never battle alongside Horus, not so much a rivalry but after that they fought together again.

Corax had issues with a lot of other primarchs. At various points he feuded pretty heavily with Horus (as stated by another user), Alpharius, Curze, Perturabo, and Lorgar. I wouldn't say one stuck out more than another.

pm713 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Not every founding legion had to have another legion enemy.

Its both bad writing and bad management.

Because 40k doesn't have either of those...

in this case the raven guard didn't have a specific rival no. the closest as I said seems to be a "we'll never work with him again" semntiment re horus

I was referring to bad writing and management which 40k has in spades.

but in this specific case apparently they don't

BrianDavion wrote:

pm713 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Not every founding legion had to have another legion enemy.

Its both bad writing and bad management.

Because 40k doesn't have either of those...

in this case the raven guard didn't have a specific rival no. the closest as I said seems to be a "we'll never work with him again" semntiment re horus

I was referring to bad writing and management which 40k has in spades.

but in this specific case apparently they don't

No and frankly I'm surprised Corax doesn't have a medal for basic competence.

If Corax has a favoured Primarch foe it would probably be Lorgar - he's the guy that the Raven Lord went into the warp to hunt for 10,000 years after all.

It's kind of cheeky but I would argue that Corvus was perhaps his own greatest enemy. The themes of RG tend to be E.A. Poe related to one relation. The amount of shame and guilt he took on himself post heresy was extreme if true. I only say that cause there are two [Needs Citation] points on lex about his depressive state causing him to leave to the EoT. Though in Son's of the Emperor(Anthology) He goes into the EoT to...

"At some point he became mutated by the powers of the Warp, turning into a creature made of darkness and shadow itself." - Lexicanum

Granted he is doing good things with his Aberration vowed to hunt Lorgar down so there is that.

I'd be interested if they did something with Corax feeling conflicted about the Imperium. After reading about him a bit I very much got the impression that Corax's main motivation was to depose tyrants and bring people into the process of getting decent living standards. But he's serving the Emperor who is opposite most of that.

pm713 wrote:
I'd be interested if they did something with Corax feeling conflicted about the Imperium. After reading about him a bit I very much got the impression that Corax's main motivation was to depose tyrants and bring people into the process of getting decent living standards. But he's serving the Emperor who is opposite most of that.

Not really, the Imperium's purpose during the GC was pretty much aligned with that. It is only since the HH that everything turned sour. Had the Heresy not happened, I think the Imperium would have turned out to be a decent place to live until humanity completed its evolution into a psychically mature species.

To be fair, Corax was only really interested in the deposing part and was too impatient to get involved much in rebuilding after any of his compliances. Guilliman criticised him at least once for failing to clear up after his campaigns and leaving some planets in a worse state than they had been before. Corax was keen on overthrowing tyrants but his flaw was his impatience. This led (at least indirectly) to the Raptors.

In Raven's Flight it states that he had a particular dislike of Perturabo, for their opposite approaches to waging war and him suggesting that Corax was a coward for using stealth attacks.

Its not like Corvus Corax head of the Craven guard would have any rivals as he isnt cabable enough to rival any of his brothers.

If Guilleman and Perturabo ever agreed on one thing its the ineptitude of the cravenguard and its primarch Crovus Corax

 Karhedron wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I'd be interested if they did something with Corax feeling conflicted about the Imperium. After reading about him a bit I very much got the impression that Corax's main motivation was to depose tyrants and bring people into the process of getting decent living standards. But he's serving the Emperor who is opposite most of that.

Not really, the Imperium's purpose during the GC was pretty much aligned with that. It is only since the HH that everything turned sour. Had the Heresy not happened, I think the Imperium would have turned out to be a decent place to live until humanity completed its evolution into a psychically mature species.

To be fair, Corax was only really interested in the deposing part and was too impatient to get involved much in rebuilding after any of his compliances. Guilliman criticised him at least once for failing to clear up after his campaigns and leaving some planets in a worse state than they had been before. Corax was keen on overthrowing tyrants but his flaw was his impatience. This led (at least indirectly) to the Raptors.

They only align on a very level.

Do you want to peacefully worship your god of harvest? Well you can abandon them completely or be executed.
You've had a successful and peaceful alliance with the nice aliens next door? You can abandon them or be exterminated with them?
You think races like Eldar deserve a basic chance to live? You've been executed.
You think the Emperor is wrong? Welcome to a torture chamber.
You have small psychic abilities? Congrats, you're being fed to a machine to sustain your oppressors.

From the start of the Unification Wars onwards the Emperor lost any claim to be anything other than a tyrant. The main difference between the Emperor and the other warlords of Terra is that he won and it's doubly true from an in-universe perspective where people don't know about the shaman origins. While he certainly did fight many tyrants and pretty evil xenos the Emperor isn't much better.

The heresy probably saved Corax a fair bit of upset considering it means he never has to think on how much he helped the biggest tyrant of them all.

 JamesY wrote:
In Raven's Flight it states that he had a particular dislike of Perturabo, for their opposite approaches to waging war and him suggesting that Corax was a coward for using stealth attacks.

Not for using stealth attacks, as that was a tactic that was used often by the Iron Warriors.

It was over an incident where Corax and his legion were ordered by Perturabo to storm a well defended strongpoint by force (Perturabo was put in overall command because of his expertise in cracking defenses). Corax rightly pointed out that this wasn't how his legion operated and that they would take unnecessary casualties by doing it that way. Perturabo said something along the lines of "This is what the Iron Warriors have been doing since the start of the crusade, stop b*tching and do it. You don't see us complaining about casualties." and ordered Corax to do it again. Corax flat out refused to follow the order and kept his men out of the battle. Perturabo straight up called him a coward to his face for it. IIRC even Guilliman wasn't pleased with Corax over that little incident, more because Corax disobeyed a valid order rather than the fact that he agreed with Perturabo's methods.

That just sounds like everybody is at fault really. But didn't Horus and Corax do almost exactly that but Corax lost a load of legionaries storming somewhere?

pm713 wrote:
That just sounds like everybody is at fault really. But didn't Horus and Corax do almost exactly that but Corax lost a load of legionaries storming somewhere?

Not sure, maybe I'm just conflating multiple stories in my head or something but IIRC that is how it went down.

w1zard wrote:

pm713 wrote:
That just sounds like everybody is at fault really. But didn't Horus and Corax do almost exactly that but Corax lost a load of legionaries storming somewhere?

Not sure, maybe I'm just conflating multiple stories in my head or something but IIRC that is how it went down.

IIRC the conflict was with Horus and Pertabio was part of that assault and accused Corax of Cowardance. but I might be wrong

The incident you're thinking of was the Battle of Gate 42, BTW.

Obligatory Lexicanum link.

"Everybody was at fault" pretty much sums it up. Horus got the RG decimated for no reason (or maybe to take out a loyalist legion before the Heresy) and then stole all the glory. Corax took the opportunity to get rid of his distrusted Terran officer corps. Perturabo was a bullying douchebag (and kind of a pathetic toady to Horus as well). And Leman Russ let his loyalty and trust in the Emperor's decision to make Horus Warmaster blind him to what was really going on.

Horus got the RG decimated for no reason (or maybe to take out a loyalist legion before the Heresy) and then stole all the glory

Unlikely, that was four years before his corruption on Davin.

Horus started down the road to Chaos long before Davin. In Horus Rising, for example, he has a literal moment on the cross with an arrow transfixing one of his wrists.