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 Kanluwen wrote:

 Argive wrote:

I could see that being the case.

However this whole book feels a bit like half arsed attempt at updating Eldar rules without doing the full work of actually bringing out a new codex.

It really feels like they went "ohh crap the SM codex & supplements is way too good compared to chaos and all the other stuff...Quick, mash some SM style of stuff together and get it out there so it seems like we are trying to balance and let other people think they are getting (*scraps* *cough) something too.

That literally cannot be the case. They can't have a book coming out before the last two supplements even hit, based upon your tinfoil hattery.

What makes me really not want to buy the books:

A) They filled it with ynari WD codex reprint.. If I wanted one ID just get that ?

Cool, good for you! White Dwarf, once it sells out, doesn't get reprinted. That's something people have been whining about for awhile now--this is a way for those people who missed it to get the rules now.

B) It feels like they are strrapping a band aid on pandoras box that is the SM Codex/IH supplements and this is a stop gap before they roll out new wave of codexes. Much like the vigilius book is very much obsolete for marines.
C) As per point B I think whatever they do will clash with CA2019 and will have to be fixed with a new Eldar codex anyhow.

Gee, if only people could have seen the writing on the wall with the way that Black Legion and Renegades got rules with Vigilus Ablaze...

This isn't a "stopgap" before they roll out a new wave of codices. This is them testbedding it first.

However I still want the models and will get the models. Looking at 2 boxes because I want 10 plastic banshees.. Probably keep the vypers, banshees and 1x jain zar but sell everything else. Unlikely to break close to even but something..

Now I'm normally not ati-GW. I understand they are a business and I'm a customer and I can always do other stuff with my money but am happy to give them some of my money for the nice toys they make. But for the most part this whole thing feels very.. Slapsticky.. I think the design team has no passion for Xenos or Eldar in particular and its realy showing glaringly in this one.

Or they have no release slots for a whole range revamp this late in the year.

I did not say that they would release new Eldar codex before supplements dropped.. Not sure where you are getting that from. But I can see a new Eldar codex dropping within 6 months making this book obsolete. Obviously this is total speculation and I have no basis for this theory tin foil or not

So they are testbedding codex 2,0 now are they ? Even though they already released 1st of the new wave of codex 2.0 with supplements to boot.. Doesn't make sense that they would test bed stuff now. It feels is a bandaid stop gap being strapped on an old book without making a new book.

It makes all kinds of sense. They are releasing books for all with Psychic Awakening factions and testing new rules.

Will tables for Exarches be good idea? Or will it be better to just pick those players end up playing the most and re-make Aspects with them? Makes sense to me.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Id jump on this book in a heartbeat if it wasn't for the fact they obviously fillered it with WD ynari reprint and some DE stuff tahts not relvant to me..so the actual content is probably going to be very underwhelming.

The make your own craft world rules are very intriguing and Im pretty excited about that! However its yet another bloaty thing. They could have just made a new bloody codex... so frustrating.

Just remember this statement if you ever complain about Marine codices being too many.

There's a reason the supplements just happened. That book was bloat, with a large percentage of it being Ultramarines only.

Well that wont be a problem because the eldar don't have 25 types of guardians and get a new kit every month...Just saying.

Which is actually a really good thing about being xenos: you don't need to buy new army every few years.

 Shadenuat wrote:
It makes all kinds of sense. They are releasing books for all with Psychic Awakening factions and testing new rules.

Will tables for Exarches be good idea? Or will it be better to just pick those players end up playing the most and re-make Aspects with them? Makes sense to me.

Ok yeah I get what you guys are saying... BUT Feels like they could have done a much better job by putting out a beta codex - like SOB beta codex - in this book or CA2019.
That way they can get a real testbed and get meaningful feedback. Coz they obviously didn't want to do that with marines - do we want any more IH style of OP powercreepess? Im going to say noo.

Like a new codex lining up for a slew of finecast to plastic converting releases of the range (because that's what should happen).

Its possible the exarch/aspect powers might not be limited to just banshees (hopefully) and you are right this is a tesbed for aspects. In which case I get it. I haven't considered that they were talking about more than banshees.

I think I'm just salty I will have to really put in the work of selling off most of those boxes so that I can get my plastic aspectsx10 & jain zar. I think I can make some cool scenery with falcons...

Beta Codex would give people too much wrong expectations, plus there's nothing really wrong with current one.

The latest update doesnt show any alternative banshee builds.

What are the chances GW literally just translated the old metal ones into plastic?


It would feel like an absolute waste if they didn't offer some options especially given how packed their sprues are these days.

Mirror swords and Demi klaives seem like no brainer alternative weapons...

You don't need to buy new ones because of new load, but you get Vyper and Falcon. "Good trade."

 Shadenuat wrote:
Beta Codex would give people too much wrong expectations, plus there's nothing really wrong with current one.

marines 2.0 are whats wrong with every codex at the moment..

Marines are marines, they're above everyone else. And updates and CA will bring other armies closer.

As they say: all these fancy rules and miniatures, and you still get killed by space elves.

Ehh I dunno. Its all starting to feel like Final Season of GOT.. it was all going so well and went down hill so quick.

I'm on holiday from tonight so these might be on pre- order/sale when I get back. Maybe get some leaks on rules.


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You never know maybe the Foot Conclavce will go down to 25ppm in the new CA to make a happy eldar

The thing about foot Conclave is that it should have some very unique rule compared to bike one, because otherwise bike one would always win, as it did through many editions.

GW: "Hey guys, we have all these Eldar Falcons and Vypers that haven't sold in years. How are we gonna promote these things?"

 Shadenuat wrote:
The thing about foot Conclave is that it should have some very unique rule compared to bike one, because otherwise bike one would always win, as it did through many editions.

Well it would though wouldint it? Bikers are tougher, faster and more wounds. And did I mention they are new plastic kits and not old finecast ?
But you can put the foot conclave in a WS... so that's a rule? Or something...

I already nearly done painting 2 foot warlocks to start my conclave in this current batch im painting.
I expect CA 2019 will drop by the time I'm done so maybe they will be decent enough to field without feeling like im bringing a knife to a gun fight ?

 Argive wrote:

So this could mean the falcon and vyper will not be entirely useless and get new rules. It seems a bit sucky to release it is CWE Vs DE box and only give us 5 banshees..... I personally have no interest in the DE side and really the falcon doesn't interest me all that much either. The vyper Im actually happy with as was planing on making a little squadron or two. Plus the vyper is a sweet model despite its age.

I have a feeling there will be a lot of DE halfs of this box going on ebay very soon.. so it means I am unlikely to make my money back as I would want 10 banshees obviously.. This is pretty frustrating and we have no idea when these will be available for sale on their own.. Chaos players waiting for new oblitorators..Soo... Ya know., not filled with confidence..

This, so much this. I was excited to get and paint Jain Zar even with my Eldar on the back burner, and maybe even some Banshees...but I don't want any of that other stuff. Maybe in six months they'll release regular blisters/boxes?

One very big question remains though:

Is this is for plastic aspects

I don't mean this year(before January) With sisters getting their time to shine I'm happy with it.


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 John Prins wrote:

 Argive wrote:

So this could mean the falcon and vyper will not be entirely useless and get new rules. It seems a bit sucky to release it is CWE Vs DE box and only give us 5 banshees..... I personally have no interest in the DE side and really the falcon doesn't interest me all that much either. The vyper Im actually happy with as was planing on making a little squadron or two. Plus the vyper is a sweet model despite its age.

I have a feeling there will be a lot of DE halfs of this box going on ebay very soon.. so it means I am unlikely to make my money back as I would want 10 banshees obviously.. This is pretty frustrating and we have no idea when these will be available for sale on their own.. Chaos players waiting for new oblitorators..Soo... Ya know., not filled with confidence..

This, so much this. I was excited to get and paint Jain Zar even with my Eldar on the back burner, and maybe even some Banshees...but I don't want any of that other stuff. Maybe in six months they'll release regular blisters/boxes?

I hope so.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Id jump on this book in a heartbeat if it wasn't for the fact they obviously fillered it with WD ynari reprint and some DE stuff tahts not relvant to me..so the actual content is probably going to be very underwhelming.

The make your own craft world rules are very intriguing and Im pretty excited about that! However its yet another bloaty thing. They could have just made a new bloody codex... so frustrating.

Just remember this statement if you ever complain about Marine codices being too many.

There's a reason the supplements just happened. That book was bloat, with a large percentage of it being Ultramarines only.

You really think the supplements are to deal with bloat ? The supplements are to make you buy more and spread the release out longer. As now instead of paying 60$ for a large codex it's 70$ for 2 books, and that is if you just want one of the supplements which for the factions they represent are must haves to get the most bang for your buck from the army. I mean its clever on their part I'll give them that and most players just eat it up. Still amounts to the same bloat just over more books and more money spent.

I find this box disappointing. Really, I want a squad of 10 of the new banshees and Jain Zar, so it's disappointing they only give you 5. As for the rest, as much as I like Falcons, I've got three already (two of which are unbuilt). I wouldn't necessarily turn another one down, but I don't need it. I'm not a massive fan of the Vyper and have three of those unbuilt anyway. I'm not really into the DE.

So for me this box gives me fewer banshees than I would want - and I'd prefer to build and paint the full squad of 10 together - and a bunch of stuff I don't need. The sad thing is I won't be surprised if I still end up picking it up anyway... Damn plastic crack.

The new rules stuff sounds interesting, Despite barely playing I'll probably pick the book up and see how ti goes.

 Argive wrote:
One very big question remains though:

Is this is for plastic aspects

I don't mean this year(before January) With sisters getting their time to shine I'm happy with it.

Yeah probably not this year, but I'm hopeful for more plastic aspects.

This, so much this. I was excited to get and paint Jain Zar even with my Eldar on the back burner, and maybe even some Banshees...but I don't want any of that other stuff. Maybe in six months they'll release regular blisters/boxes?

I hope so.

The plastic Spiritseer and Lieutenant from Wake the Dead got separate releases.

I did have to quietly wonder why they even put scourges in the box. A unit so untaken I've not seen them in a battle report vid, most players I think would be surprised to see on the table top and probably feel they are a fake unit. All I could use from the DE part would be venom and Drazhar. I have more incubi than I will ever use probably and sadly many scourges as I'm one of the people in the world who actually use them.

I actualy picked up a cheap box of scourges for conversion purposes (needed the wings for an autarch) and planning to use the rest to make funky corsairs while hoarding the ret for bits.

I don't need one or two more boxes lol. Will be interesting to see how much the banshees re-sell for. I wouldn't be surprised at £35 a squad and jain zar going for £25, and that's being generous I think. (If I was buying the box for re-sell that's what id price at minimum)

Its still cheaper then £100 for a box of uselss stuff I and 100's of others would then try to sell..

Yeah its a pretty clear push to rid old stock by holding captive models people want. Pretty cheap there GW.

Even cheaper when you actually try to take pennies from xenos players who waited 25+ years for Phoenix Lords.

See, I agree, but to GW trying to steal some extra pennies from the pockets of xeno players is like the game within the game.

It's as pleasing to them as handing out what felt at the time like some nice chaos stuff, then over buffing vanilla marines with a release so large it still isn't all out yet stretched out over months. I feel they did it out of pure meanness.

I joke, but really only a little I'd be pretty annoyed but I can wait for Drazhar to come out singly even if the cost makes me feint when he does so.

AngryAngel80 wrote:
Yeah its a pretty clear push to rid old stock by holding captive models people want. Pretty cheap there GW.

If i can get the models for 1/2 price i'll be glad to, b.c they will be viable again one day.

 Argive wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
They're not gonna kill a special character with such a new model.

They could kill her off or at least insinuate shes dead with hints that's shes "lost" and drag it out over 5 years though right ??

I don't see why they could not rebrand the models as other things.. You know.. kind of like prince yriel is our fine cast autarch on foot model because there is no autarch on foot model?

Yrvaine - a farseer with familiar.

Visarch - Autarch on foot with powersword

Incarnate - Generic avatar of ynead/snalesh/khaine..

Problem solved. Still have use for models still sell models.

Just no.

As much as I'd like them to kill off Guilliman that's not gonna do that either.


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 puma713 wrote:
GW: "Hey guys, we have all these Eldar Falcons and Vypers that haven't sold in years. How are we gonna promote these things?"

"Give them non-gak rules?"

*gets thrown out of window*

 puma713 wrote:
GW: "Hey guys, we have all these Eldar Falcons and Vypers that haven't sold in years. How are we gonna promote these things?"

And if they make them useful? What then?

Maybe dont get your underwear in a wad before you know anything.

Most Eldar players already have them, and they're also very old models. I think I bought my 2 Falcons for 25$. And one of them was not painted and had all the bits.

Ok, what if they do keep gak rules ? What then ? Is the under wear wadding able to continue then ?

It's a lame thing they are doing. People have waited and wanted some of these models and would probably buy lots of them, locking it into an over expensive box bundle is poor taste. I say over expensive but we'll see what they charge I suppose.

If it had to be a group why not just bundle the new models with the book ? It's the same thing they do with every mechanicus box bundle, tech priest dominus, he's everywhere. I have 4 and I only ever went out of my way to get 1 of them, I just can't avoid them if I try and save money of Ad mech.

Edit: I can't wait till some unique new ad mech stuff drops in a bundle I've been waiting for, only to see two more tech priest dominus in the box. I'll feel like most feel seeing the contents of that box, sadness and indignation that soon I'll have, another one. Like the un used vyper, or falcon or scourges that most don't even remember I imagine.

They will be sold separately eventually.