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So I picked up a start collecting box of imperial guard and some ratling snipers a couple of months ago and just getting round to finishing off painting them I haven't got the codex as I mostly just want to get them painted for now and maybe game later.
I am thinking of buying a Valkarie transporter as my next project I was thinking of what would be best to transport in it to go alongside it
I'm usually on the side of what I like, I'll buy then paint as i dont play, but i may play in the future.
Although I'm more into the painting side of the hobby, I'd like to know what the best unit would be to have alongside it for if or when i do decide to finally play a game.
my favorite is the ogryns or bullgryns, somthing that can smash stuff up in close combat. I've heard that a squad of tempest scoins (am I right thinking these are the old storm troopers?) Are a good squad to transport and are good in close quarters, but are these not an army separate to normal astra militarum, or can you have a unit of them as like a special unit?
I probably should get a codex at somepoint but as more of a collector and painter I'd sooner spend the £25 on a model than some litriture that I might never use.

Hi there!

This forum is for specific rules questions, not for general discussion about armies.

 Stux wrote:
Hi there!

This forum is for specific rules questions, not for general discussion about armies.

Oh ok sorry about that i cant delete it or move the thread. if there is a moderator that could for me that would be great

Thrakka wrote:

 Stux wrote:
Hi there!

This forum is for specific rules questions, not for general discussion about armies.

Oh ok sorry about that i cant delete it or move the thread. if there is a moderator that could for me that would be great

Someone has moved it now

Militarum Tempestus is a part of Astra Militarum, so not much of an issue there; added units do not prevent other units from getting the regimental doctrine rules, but the Storm troopers will not benefit from any regimental doctrine(including there of Militarum Tempestus doctrine).

Valkyries are fun models to assemble and paint, they are not the worst flyers either; but there is a better choice if you are going to transport Scions: Taurox Prime. The Taurox Prime has all the benefits of the normal Taurox(same troop capacity, same speed), but also functions like a mini-light-russ.

Better for the valkyrie are veteran, command, or special weapons squads; all 3 of these can have 3 special weapons(command can have all 4 members with special weapons). You can fit multiple command and special weapon squads in the valkyrie at once; but only 1 Veteran squad.

Valks aren’t terribly competitive in my opinion. I bought the Vendetta upgrade kit a million years ago and thanks to BattleScribe I run it that way.

The trouble with transports this edition, is they’re expensive for what they do.

Particularly, when you want to move special weapons to other parts of the board. Scions can Deepstrike (essentially deploy most anywhere on the board) as part of their base cost. So instead of risking being blown up in their plane, they just drop wherever they want. Consider as well, that if you don’t take the Valk you can probably afford another 10-15 Scions with guns that, again, don’t risk being shot down before delivery. And Valk weapons are unimpressive.

Vendetta? Solid weapons in 6 lascannons. I put the cheapest unit inside, 10 naked Guardsmen for example, to drop as a distraction on an uncontested objective. No threat, but needs to be dealt with kind of thing.

Any other unit, beside Bullgryn I suppose, runs into being inefficient compared to Scions deep striking.

I love the model, still play with it often. But if I dedicate a unit to being transported, it is cheap and expendable to objective grab.

I have 5 Valkayries. [And a Vulture.] So I'm not biased at all.

That said, while there's an extremely gamey unthematic arguement to be made that cramming your armies senior commanding officer into a Valkyrie with his 8 Plasmagun wielding friends is 'Good', I would advocate that from a Collecting and themeatic standpoint, Valkayries are a fun addition to any Imperial Guard Army that give our infantry some excellent manuverability for that all important objective grabbing.

For not too much over 100 points [a slightly more expensive Rhino] you're getting a whopping 12 Wounds, at toughness 7, with a built in -1 to hit [Most of the time], which has 2D6 strength 5 Ap - 1 shots that hit mostly on 3's.
That moves between 45-65 inches. Which is a really long way.


If you're not going to do the Air Cav List [which I have so much fun with] a single Valk makes an excellent distraction Carnifex, threating to dump something, somewhere, on one turns notice, and requiring enough firepower to shoot down it's distracting from all the other things they probably actually should be shooting it.
Shoving 3 Ogryns and a priest inside is some fairly effective smash face, too. They also look glorious on the tabletop - And that's what 40k is about, looking good and having fun.
Please don't be diswaded from the 'Only field this unit with these models in this exact way because anything else isn't competative' crowd, particularly if you're a collector first and foremost.

I have Vendetta that has seen the battlefield twice this edition [specifically as part of making deliberately bad lists], and I haven't put anything in it and never used to.

However, I have seen people pack Valkyries with one of the Ogryn varieties for a melee bomb, or more commonly with Tempestas Militarum Command Squads for a short ranged plasmagun drop.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
I have Vendetta that has seen the battlefield twice this edition [specifically as part of making deliberately bad lists], and I haven't put anything in it and never used to.

However, I have seen people pack Valkyries with one of the Ogryn varieties for a melee bomb, or more commonly with Tempestas Militarum Command Squads for a short ranged plasmagun drop.

Renegades and heretics sometimes run them in a melee bomb variety if they are Slaanesh, one of the few decent combos.


Imo they are worth their pts, in standard multilaser salvo pods loadout.
And in a pinch going into hover Mode makes them alot more manouverable aswell as accurate.

Basically too expensive for a whole army for them but good enough to consider some with payload.

Thanks for the replies people this has helped me make up my mind, I will be getting one as my next project along side some bullgryns (with a priest as suggested.)
Its good to know you can deep strike units in without a flyer I wasn't sure. I know i come across as a complete noob, Basically I havnt played 40k since 3rd edition and there wasn't flying units around or rules for them back then. To be fair I'd prob not remember them anyway as its been some time. I do enjoy the collecting and painting a lot but it would be good to have a game in the near future.
Its more out of circumstance than choice that I lean to the hobby side, as now im older the group I gamed with when i was younger im no longer in touch with sadly.
I like to get units I like but also it's handy know whether they would be usable and it's good to see the pros and cons.

Thrakka wrote:
Thanks for the replies people this has helped me make up my mind, I will be getting one as my next project along side some bullgryns (with a priest as suggested.)
Its good to know you can deep strike units in without a flyer I wasn't sure. I know i come across as a complete noob, Basically I havnt played 40k since 3rd edition and there wasn't flying units around or rules for them back then. To be fair I'd prob not remember them anyway as its been some time. I do enjoy the collecting and painting a lot but it would be good to have a game in the near future.
Its more out of circumstance than choice that I lean to the hobby side, as now im older the group I gamed with when i was younger im no longer in touch with sadly.
I like to get units I like but also it's handy know whether they would be usable and it's good to see the pros and cons.

Well Pros:
Fast transport
Can deploy after moving
Effectively permits T1 deep striking, and deep striking by units not ordinarily able to.

Cons:
Isn't particularly awesome in it's own right. To be fair, the Valkyrie is considerably better than the Vendetta since it has Assault weapons instead of Heavy, and Roving Gunship. It's still not a particularly awesome gunboat.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

Thrakka wrote:
Thanks for the replies people this has helped me make up my mind, I will be getting one as my next project along side some bullgryns (with a priest as suggested.)
Its good to know you can deep strike units in without a flyer I wasn't sure. I know i come across as a complete noob, Basically I havnt played 40k since 3rd edition and there wasn't flying units around or rules for them back then. To be fair I'd prob not remember them anyway as its been some time. I do enjoy the collecting and painting a lot but it would be good to have a game in the near future.
Its more out of circumstance than choice that I lean to the hobby side, as now im older the group I gamed with when i was younger im no longer in touch with sadly.
I like to get units I like but also it's handy know whether they would be usable and it's good to see the pros and cons.

Well Pros:
Fast transport
Can deploy after moving
Effectively permits T1 deep striking, and deep striking by units not ordinarily able to.

Cons:
Isn't particularly awesome in it's own right. To be fair, the Valkyrie is considerably better than the Vendetta since it has Assault weapons instead of Heavy, and Roving Gunship. It's still not a particularly awesome gunboat.

It's not meant to be a gunboat. It's a transport. The Vendetta and Vuluture are Gunboats.