| Author |
Message |
 |
|
|
|
|
Advert
|
Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
- No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
- Times and dates in your local timezone.
- Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
- Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
- Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now. |
|
 |
2019/09/03 15:56:17
Subject: Why successor chapter models on bikes have combat doctrines when the codex does not?
|
|
Longtime Dakkanaut
|
Why wolfgaurd on bikes, priest on bikes and etc hace Angels of Death,,,, but nothing else from the space wolves codex, blood angels codex and etc do not .... ?
whats the point ?
|
As an aside, as "infinite" rolls is actually impossible even if the FAQ "allows" it, then it will always be a non-zero chance to pass them all. Eventually the two players will die. If they pass the game on to their decendents, they too will eventually die. And, at the end of it all, the universe will experience heat death and it, too, will die. In the instance of "infinite" hits, we're talking more of functional infinity, rather than literal.
RAW you can't pass the game onto descendants, permissive ruleset. Unless we get an FAQ from GW.
|
|
|
 |
|
2019/09/03 16:00:14
Subject: Why successor chapter models on bikes have combat doctrines when the codex does not?
|
|
Witch Hunter in the Shadows
Aachen
|
 Type40 wrote:Why wolfgaurd on bikes, priest on bikes and etc hace Angels of Death,,,, but nothing else from the space wolves codex, blood angels codex and etc do not .... ?
whats the point ?
The Angels of Death rule is given to almost all Space Marine units as far as I understand, but the Combat Doctrines part only works for Codex:Space Marine chapters. It's about the other rules that come with the Angels of Death rule.
|
|
|
|
|
2019/09/03 16:03:35
Subject: Why successor chapter models on bikes have combat doctrines when the codex does not?
|
|
Longtime Dakkanaut
|
Ok.
Because what it says is that only an army with every unit having combat doctrines gets them... so i guess their is a weird way to have a battleforged spacewolves army with everything on bikes that would have combat doctrines. like,,, you couldn't take a battalion or brigade,,, but its possible because of this .
|
As an aside, as "infinite" rolls is actually impossible even if the FAQ "allows" it, then it will always be a non-zero chance to pass them all. Eventually the two players will die. If they pass the game on to their decendents, they too will eventually die. And, at the end of it all, the universe will experience heat death and it, too, will die. In the instance of "infinite" hits, we're talking more of functional infinity, rather than literal.
RAW you can't pass the game onto descendants, permissive ruleset. Unless we get an FAQ from GW.
|
|
|
|
|
2019/09/03 16:09:50
Subject: Why successor chapter models on bikes have combat doctrines when the codex does not?
|
|
Longtime Dakkanaut
|
Space Wolves do not get Doctrines.
|
|
|
|
|
2019/09/03 16:17:55
Subject: Re:Why successor chapter models on bikes have combat doctrines when the codex does not?
|
|
Deadshot Weapon Moderati
MI
|
Sounds like you are confusing Angels of Death with Combat Doctrines. Practically all SMs get Angels of Death, but the Combat Doctrine part of that does not apply to Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space wolves, Deathwatch, or any of their successors. The rest of Angels of Death still applies to them.
|
|
|
|
|
2019/09/03 16:19:51
Subject: Why successor chapter models on bikes have combat doctrines when the codex does not?
|
|
Norn Queen
|
Because GW are lazy and it's easier to say "They have Angels of Death" and have 1/4 of it not do anything than to say "They have Shock Assault, ATSKNF and Bolter Discipline."
|
|
|
|
|
2019/09/03 20:42:58
Subject: Re:Why successor chapter models on bikes have combat doctrines when the codex does not?
|
|
Longtime Dakkanaut
|
 ikeulhu wrote:Sounds like you are confusing Angels of Death with Combat Doctrines. Practically all SMs get Angels of Death, but the Combat Doctrine part of that does not apply to Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space wolves, Deathwatch, or any of their successors. The rest of Angels of Death still applies to them.
Combat doctrines is included in angels of death.
But yes, seems like GW just pulled a lazy on this one.
|
As an aside, as "infinite" rolls is actually impossible even if the FAQ "allows" it, then it will always be a non-zero chance to pass them all. Eventually the two players will die. If they pass the game on to their decendents, they too will eventually die. And, at the end of it all, the universe will experience heat death and it, too, will die. In the instance of "infinite" hits, we're talking more of functional infinity, rather than literal.
RAW you can't pass the game onto descendants, permissive ruleset. Unless we get an FAQ from GW.
|
|
|
|
|
2019/09/03 21:18:28
Subject: Re:Why successor chapter models on bikes have combat doctrines when the codex does not?
|
|
Deadshot Weapon Moderati
MI
|
It may be future proofing. The special chapters are likely to have their own versions of Combat Doctrines eventually that will apply once GW gets us those rules. Although, I also could very easily be giving GW too much credit when it comes to that
|
|
|
|
|
2019/09/03 23:51:58
Subject: Re:Why successor chapter models on bikes have combat doctrines when the codex does not?
|
|
Confessor Of Sins
|
I'm going with "laziness" since it is easier to say the units get Angels of Death and then state that the non-Codex Chapters don't get any benefit from Combat Doctrines than to say if C:SM then the unit gets A, but if these other Codexes then the units get Y.
|
|
|
|
|
2019/09/04 13:11:36
Subject: Why successor chapter models on bikes have combat doctrines when the codex does not?
|
|
Longtime Dakkanaut
|
I havn't seen anywhere that says only non-codex chapters can benefit from combat doctrines... just that every model in the army needs to have it for it to work... Their is a weirdly bad space wolves list out there with too many bikers that can have combat doctrines XD.
|
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/09/04 13:23:42
As an aside, as "infinite" rolls is actually impossible even if the FAQ "allows" it, then it will always be a non-zero chance to pass them all. Eventually the two players will die. If they pass the game on to their decendents, they too will eventually die. And, at the end of it all, the universe will experience heat death and it, too, will die. In the instance of "infinite" hits, we're talking more of functional infinity, rather than literal.
RAW you can't pass the game onto descendants, permissive ruleset. Unless we get an FAQ from GW.
|
|
|
|
|
2019/09/04 13:15:48
Subject: Why successor chapter models on bikes have combat doctrines when the codex does not?
|
|
Longtime Dakkanaut
|
Type40 wrote:I havn't seen anywhere that says only non-codex chapters can benefit from combat doctrines... just that every model in the army needs to have it for it to work... Their is a weirdly bad space wolves list out their with too many bikers that can have combat doctrines XD.
"Designer’s Note: The Bolter Discipline ability is described in a previous update, and the Shock Assault ability can be found below. Combat Doctrines is a new ability exclusive to Codex: Space Marines – units in Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves or Deathwatch Detachments (or for Detachments of any of their successor Chapters) cannot currently make use of this ability"
From the FAQ released yesterday.
|
|
|
|
|
2019/09/04 13:17:14
Subject: Why successor chapter models on bikes have combat doctrines when the codex does not?
|
|
Deadshot Weapon Moderati
MI
|
Type40 wrote:I havn't seen anywhere that says only non-codex chapters can benefit from combat doctrines... just that every model in the army needs to have it for it to work... Their is a weirdly bad space wolves list out their with too many bikers that can have combat doctrines XD.
It's in the recently released Space Marines: Other Publications errata under the Angel of Deaths rule on page 2 in the Designer's Note. It clearly states that BA, DA, SW, and DW can not currently make use of Combat Doctrines. The "currently" I believe is the clue that this is future proofing for when they get their own versions of Combat Doctrines.
ninja'd by Sterling191 
|
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/09/04 13:19:56
|
|
|
|
|
2019/09/04 13:24:52
Subject: Why successor chapter models on bikes have combat doctrines when the codex does not?
|
|
Longtime Dakkanaut
|
Ah, I read that as "they can't make use of it because they do not have the rule themselves"
But I see what your saying.
|
As an aside, as "infinite" rolls is actually impossible even if the FAQ "allows" it, then it will always be a non-zero chance to pass them all. Eventually the two players will die. If they pass the game on to their decendents, they too will eventually die. And, at the end of it all, the universe will experience heat death and it, too, will die. In the instance of "infinite" hits, we're talking more of functional infinity, rather than literal.
RAW you can't pass the game onto descendants, permissive ruleset. Unless we get an FAQ from GW.
|
|
|
|
|
2019/09/04 13:30:02
Subject: Why successor chapter models on bikes have combat doctrines when the codex does not?
|
|
Longtime Dakkanaut
|
Type40 wrote:Ah, I read that as "they can't make use of it because they do not have the rule themselves"
No. Angels of Death contains the Combat Doctrine component. That statement precludes that component from functioning for BA/ DA/ SW/ DW armies that take Index units.
|
|
|
|
|
2019/09/04 13:38:35
Subject: Why successor chapter models on bikes have combat doctrines when the codex does not?
|
|
Longtime Dakkanaut
|
Yes, I agree, that makes sense.
I was just pointing out where I made the mistake.
|
As an aside, as "infinite" rolls is actually impossible even if the FAQ "allows" it, then it will always be a non-zero chance to pass them all. Eventually the two players will die. If they pass the game on to their decendents, they too will eventually die. And, at the end of it all, the universe will experience heat death and it, too, will die. In the instance of "infinite" hits, we're talking more of functional infinity, rather than literal.
RAW you can't pass the game onto descendants, permissive ruleset. Unless we get an FAQ from GW.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
