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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/25 14:36:29
Subject: Who are the other Primarchs (loyal or not) who might conceivably return?
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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Jaghatai Khan is one of the Primarchs not confirmed dead; he supposedly disappeared in the Webway in pursuit of Drukhari pirates. Some say he is still hunting, but he may also have gotten killed off-screen (doubt it; anticlimactic) or captured (possibility of returning one day). As far as I am aware, he gets no mention (even implied) in recent Drukhari lore.
I think Leman Russ, Corvus Corax and Rogal Dorn are also missing but not confirmed dead?
And I also believe most of the traitor Primarchs are still around, though only Magnus and Mortarion currently have 40k-era models.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/25 14:56:00
Subject: Who are the other Primarchs (loyal or not) who might conceivably return?
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Implacable Skitarii
Ottawa, Canada
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Vulkan is around, somewhere...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/25 14:57:01
Subject: Who are the other Primarchs (loyal or not) who might conceivably return?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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We'll flip your question on the head to address it - which Primarchs are currently confirmed as being dead?
Loyalist - Ferrus Manus, Sanguinius
Traitor - Horus, Night Haunter
Outside the scope of the question, as already active - Roboute Guilliman, Magnus the Red, Mortarion.
That's 7/18 accounted for.
As far as we're aware, the other five (or six) Traitor Primarchs are alive, though with differing levels of activity and likelihood of leaving the Eye of Terror. Angron has been known to pop up (see First War for Armageddon), for example.
On the Loyalist front, things are less clear-cut. Dorn has either died, or vanished while missing a hand, depending on source. Vulkan reappeared during the War of the Beast (*sigh*) and as a Perpetual (*sigh*) may respawn at some point. Corax has appeared in a recent BL publication. The Lion's alarm clock just needs to go off at some point. The Wolf is (theoretically) somewhere in the EoT, while the Khan is either in Commoragh or took a wrong turn somewhere in the Webway.
In terms of most likely to reappear? I'd say Fulgrim or Angron for the Traitors, as and when we see books for the EC and WE respectively. For the Loyalists? Probably the Lion (though can we get a HH model for him first?), with Leman Russ or Corax as the second and third most likely, for my money.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/25 15:05:56
Subject: Who are the other Primarchs (loyal or not) who might conceivably return?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Sanguinius' ghost is bound to the Vengeful Spirit. Maybe he could be brought back as a Daemon Prince with the right shenanigans, since Lord Mephiston is already one. The Sanguinor might even be him, or one of his personal bodyguard.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/25 17:09:53
Subject: Who are the other Primarchs (loyal or not) who might conceivably return?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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If they bring back the primarchs, both loyal and traitor, could the loyalists really contend with the traits considering they are all/mostly demon princes?
Surely mortarian is I’ll be first due to the effort they have put into the death guard. But he’s gonna be impossible to defeat.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/25 17:48:46
Subject: Who are the other Primarchs (loyal or not) who might conceivably return?
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Fixture of Dakka
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mrFickle wrote:If they bring back the primarchs, both loyal and traitor, could the loyalists really contend with the traits considering they are all/mostly demon princes?
Surely mortarian is I’ll be first due to the effort they have put into the death guard. But he’s gonna be impossible to defeat.
Yes. GW can and will do whatever they want. Hence why we have Primarchs coming back and Corax as what's effectively a Demon Prince.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/25 18:30:42
Subject: Who are the other Primarchs (loyal or not) who might conceivably return?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Coral as demon prince? I have missed something can you provide a link or summary?
I thought he just buggered off saying “never more”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/25 18:44:26
Subject: Who are the other Primarchs (loyal or not) who might conceivably return?
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Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought
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mrFickle wrote:Coral as demon prince? I have missed something can you provide a link or summary? I thought he just buggered off saying “never more” Sons of the Emperor, story Shadows of the Past. It takes place in the Eye of Terror after having been quoth Never More. Corax is essentially a daemon prince, changing shape and size. Becoming a murder of crows, all sorts of Daemon Prince things. He claims himself not to be a Daemon Prince, but to have just unlocked his true potential. I think he's just delusional over what he's become.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/25 19:22:57
Subject: Who are the other Primarchs (loyal or not) who might conceivably return?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Interesting question. I think the one traitor primach that is most likely to return next is angron. GW has put some great effort into the new deathguard and thousand sons and their demon primarchs, but the world eaters have not had an update in forever, so I think them releasing angron alongside a new khorne berzerker kit would be sensible. Maybe even within some sort of armageddon campaign where we also get some love for the grey knights who have to stop him, again.
The next loyalist primarch to return will be the lion in my opinion. I mean like someone already pointed out, they basically just need to wake him up. The dynamic between him and guilliman would be quite interesting also, because they are almost polar opposites.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/25 19:57:08
Subject: Who are the other Primarchs (loyal or not) who might conceivably return?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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How are they opposites? I mean the Lion is only fractionally taller.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/25 20:20:42
Subject: Who are the other Primarchs (loyal or not) who might conceivably return?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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For completeness, I really hope Fulgrim and Angron get 40K minis. That would complete the Tetrad of Primarchs that are devoted to the 4 Chaos gods
For the Loyalist, it needs to be Lion and/or Russ. That would give another Primarch to Marine players that don't play Codex marines (and thus could be a good foil for Guiliman)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/25 20:54:27
Subject: Who are the other Primarchs (loyal or not) who might conceivably return?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Nurglitch wrote:How are they opposites? I mean the Lion is only fractionally taller.
I meant their personalities. The lion is not a peoples person, hes reclusive, secretive and can't really emphasise well with other people. He's a great warrior and general, maybe even a bit more so than guilliman, but he is no statesman, that is truly guillimans turf. The lion can also be a bit arrogant, so it'd be interesting to see how he would react to guilliman taking charge of and reorganising the imperium.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/25 21:14:22
Subject: Who are the other Primarchs (loyal or not) who might conceivably return?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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VictorVonTzeentch wrote:mrFickle wrote:Coral as demon prince? I have missed something can you provide a link or summary?
I thought he just buggered off saying “never more”
Sons of the Emperor, story Shadows of the Past. It takes place in the Eye of Terror after having been quoth Never More. Corax is essentially a daemon prince, changing shape and size. Becoming a murder of crows, all sorts of Daemon Prince things. He claims himself not to be a Daemon Prince, but to have just unlocked his true potential. I think he's just delusional over what he's become.
Yes, being so close to Warp has revealed his "true nature". Whilst his nature may be dubious, his loyalty is not in doubt. He royally curb-stomps Lorgar to the point that the Word Bearer flees back through a warp portal and locks himself away as a result.
We know Lorgar was one of the weaker Primarchs prior to his acension. Daemonhood is a serious power-up though (Guilliman admitted he stood virtually no chance against Daemon-Fulgrim) so for Corax to be able to fight and beat Lorgar shows he has clearly "leveled-up" significantly since the end of the Heresy.
I think that Guilliman shows the way to go for the Loyalists. He is not a 1-on-1 match for Magnus or Mortarion but he is loaded with buffs and also carries the Emperor's sword as an equaliser. My guess is the other Loyalist Primarchs if/when they return will get rules allowing them to compete with the traitors in one fashion or another.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/25 22:50:21
Subject: Who are the other Primarchs (loyal or not) who might conceivably return?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Karhedron wrote: VictorVonTzeentch wrote:mrFickle wrote:Coral as demon prince? I have missed something can you provide a link or summary?
I thought he just buggered off saying “never more”
Sons of the Emperor, story Shadows of the Past. It takes place in the Eye of Terror after having been quoth Never More. Corax is essentially a daemon prince, changing shape and size. Becoming a murder of crows, all sorts of Daemon Prince things. He claims himself not to be a Daemon Prince, but to have just unlocked his true potential. I think he's just delusional over what he's become.
Yes, being so close to Warp has revealed his "true nature". Whilst his nature may be dubious, his loyalty is not in doubt. He royally curb-stomps Lorgar to the point that the Word Bearer flees back through a warp portal and locks himself away as a result.
We know Lorgar was one of the weaker Primarchs prior to his acension. Daemonhood is a serious power-up though (Guilliman admitted he stood virtually no chance against Daemon-Fulgrim) so for Corax to be able to fight and beat Lorgar shows he has clearly "leveled-up" significantly since the end of the Heresy.
I think that Guilliman shows the way to go for the Loyalists. He is not a 1-on-1 match for Magnus or Mortarion but he is loaded with buffs and also carries the Emperor's sword as an equaliser. My guess is the other Loyalist Primarchs if/when they return will get rules allowing them to compete with the traitors in one fashion or another.
So could that mean that the other primarchs that flew off into the the war, russ, Khan etc, may be revealing their “true form” I.e. ascending to the goodie form of demon prince
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/25 23:58:12
Subject: Who are the other Primarchs (loyal or not) who might conceivably return?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Leman Russ is primed to be able to Hulk out into a mega werewolf if they want him to...
I dont think the emperor expected his primarchs to live for 10,000 years. Who knows what genetic/warp degeneration has occurred in that time.
Guilliman is only about 1000 years old, as he spent the last 9000 in stasis. Dante is older than him - and it still makes Bjorn the oldest marine...
If the other loyalists have been active outside the warp then they may be much much older.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/26 02:24:27
Subject: Who are the other Primarchs (loyal or not) who might conceivably return?
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Dakka Veteran
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Reintroduction needs to be done carefully. Space Marines just got a giant buff with the new codexes. Do they need primarchs too?
I think bringing back Lion makes the most sense for next primarch. It could be he's too busy doing Dark Angels stuff to challenge or even have any interaction with Bobby G. So they can be lazy about how that interaction goes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/26 19:25:03
Subject: Who are the other Primarchs (loyal or not) who might conceivably return?
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Blackclad Wayfarer
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I can 100% see Vulkan/Khan/Russ coming back as a big release model similar to the Primarchs for Chaos
Hopefully Khan isnt Logan G tier on a chariot
edit: Lion could kickstart a full on DA Dex
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/26 21:15:22
Subject: Who are the other Primarchs (loyal or not) who might conceivably return?
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
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VictorVonTzeentch wrote:mrFickle wrote:Coral as demon prince? I have missed something can you provide a link or summary?
I thought he just buggered off saying “never more”
Sons of the Emperor, story Shadows of the Past. It takes place in the Eye of Terror after having been quoth Never More. Corax is essentially a daemon prince, changing shape and size. Becoming a murder of crows, all sorts of Daemon Prince things. He claims himself not to be a Daemon Prince, but to have just unlocked his true potential. I think he's just delusional over what he's become.
Its not unreasonable that he might have "unlocked" something, the warp is a region where thought can become reality.
Were, for example, the Emperor able to provide some sort of power to those believing in Him whilst within the warp, just as the Chaos gods do, or even if it is just the manifestation of Corax's own mind, its plausible that he would be something akin to a daemon prince.
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