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Pain4Pleasure wrote:
It confuses me when marine players get 1-2 new releases almost monthly, and when another faction gets a single or a few new things once every 2 years and we are disappointed in what we barely get it’s always marine players saying “be appreciative, you GOT something you should be HAPPY”. Like nah bruh, shut up with your new 7 models alongside me 1 a$$

Or... GW are out to make money and marines sell?

They had 2 release waves in 2 years to essentially redesign the entire core range (primaris). Yes this is more than anyone else, no it isn't surprising.

Dont like them then dont buy them and vote with your wallet

Dudeface wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
It confuses me when marine players get 1-2 new releases almost monthly, and when another faction gets a single or a few new things once every 2 years and we are disappointed in what we barely get it’s always marine players saying “be appreciative, you GOT something you should be HAPPY”. Like nah bruh, shut up with your new 7 models alongside me 1 a$$

Or... GW are out to make money and marines sell?

They had 2 release waves in 2 years to essentially redesign the entire core range (primaris). Yes this is more than anyone else, no it isn't surprising.

Dont like them then dont buy them and vote with your wallet

Like its just Primaris......Add in Forgeworld lavishing models on them plus everything else..

Removed - BrookM

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Removed - BrookM

Classy.

Forgeworld release marine models for 30k, take those grumbles to the relevant sub forum.

But yeah I'll continue to be a "marinetard" without a marine army, enjoy the hobby rather than just existing to whine like an entitled brat.

Dudeface wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
It confuses me when marine players get 1-2 new releases almost monthly, and when another faction gets a single or a few new things once every 2 years and we are disappointed in what we barely get it’s always marine players saying “be appreciative, you GOT something you should be HAPPY”. Like nah bruh, shut up with your new 7 models alongside me 1 a$$

Or... GW are out to make money and marines sell?

They had 2 release waves in 2 years to essentially redesign the entire core range (primaris). Yes this is more than anyone else, no it isn't surprising.

Dont like them then dont buy them and vote with your wallet

Like its just Primaris......Add in Forgeworld lavishing models on them plus everything else..

Removed - BrookM

Classy.

Forgeworld release marine models for 30k, take those grumbles to the relevant sub forum.

But yeah I'll continue to be a "marinetard" without a marine army, enjoy the hobby rather than just existing to whine like an entitled brat.

So all the Relic marine stuff like say the Levithan Dreadnought which so is big wih Iron Hands is not a thing? Does not exisit?

Unfortunately GW AND FW focuss on the Marines.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
It confuses me when marine players get 1-2 new releases almost monthly, and when another faction gets a single or a few new things once every 2 years and we are disappointed in what we barely get it’s always marine players saying “be appreciative, you GOT something you should be HAPPY”. Like nah bruh, shut up with your new 7 models alongside me 1 a$$

Or... GW are out to make money and marines sell?

They had 2 release waves in 2 years to essentially redesign the entire core range (primaris). Yes this is more than anyone else, no it isn't surprising.

Dont like them then dont buy them and vote with your wallet

Like its just Primaris......Add in Forgeworld lavishing models on them plus everything else..

Removed - BrookM

Classy.

Forgeworld release marine models for 30k, take those grumbles to the relevant sub forum.

But yeah I'll continue to be a "marinetard" without a marine army, enjoy the hobby rather than just existing to whine like an entitled brat.

So all the Relic marine stuff like say the Levithan Dreadnought which so is big wih Iron Hands is not a thing? Does not exisit?

Unfortunately GW AND FW focuss on the Marines.

It's a relic because it's from the time of the heresy, released for 30k and the community wanted rules for using them in 40k so they made them. They also predate 8th edition by a fair bit.

Did you know forgeworld also sell stuff for every army? Did you know they used to have totally unique individual ranges that weren't marines?

Are you aware you do not have to buy them, read about them or have any interest in them?

Dudeface wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
It confuses me when marine players get 1-2 new releases almost monthly, and when another faction gets a single or a few new things once every 2 years and we are disappointed in what we barely get it’s always marine players saying “be appreciative, you GOT something you should be HAPPY”. Like nah bruh, shut up with your new 7 models alongside me 1 a$$

Or... GW are out to make money and marines sell?

They had 2 release waves in 2 years to essentially redesign the entire core range (primaris). Yes this is more than anyone else, no it isn't surprising.

Dont like them then dont buy them and vote with your wallet

Like its just Primaris......Add in Forgeworld lavishing models on them plus everything else..

Removed - BrookM[/quote]

Classy.

Forgeworld release marine models for 30k, take those grumbles to the relevant sub forum.

But yeah I'll continue to be a "marinetard" without a marine army, enjoy the hobby rather than just existing to whine like an entitled brat.

So all the Relic marine stuff like say the Levithan Dreadnought which so is big wih Iron Hands is not a thing? Does not exisit?

Unfortunately GW AND FW focuss on the Marines.

It's a relic because it's from the time of the heresy, released for 30k and the community wanted rules for using them in 40k so they made them. They also predate 8th edition by a fair bit.

Did you know forgeworld also sell stuff for every army? Did you know they used to have totally unique individual ranges that weren't marines?

Are you aware you do not have to buy them, read about them or have any interest in them?

YOU were the one who mistakenly (or willfully) stated FW is 30k only. I corrected your error

List the amount of units available for Non Marine armies and then compare with marines armies.

I buy some not others - I would like to have the choice to buy stuff other than Marines.

I want rules for my Sisters of Silence in 40K
I want rules for my Ad Mech stuff in 40k
I want rules and model for Heresy era stuff for other factions that are currently ignored.

But I guess there is only room for marines until 40k is just the same as 30k and "only marines" players get what they want - is that what you want?

 Mr Morden wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
It confuses me when marine players get 1-2 new releases almost monthly, and when another faction gets a single or a few new things once every 2 years and we are disappointed in what we barely get it’s always marine players saying “be appreciative, you GOT something you should be HAPPY”. Like nah bruh, shut up with your new 7 models alongside me 1 a$$

Or... GW are out to make money and marines sell?

They had 2 release waves in 2 years to essentially redesign the entire core range (primaris). Yes this is more than anyone else, no it isn't surprising.

Dont like them then dont buy them and vote with your wallet

Like its just Primaris......Add in Forgeworld lavishing models on them plus everything else..

Removed - BrookM

Classy.

Forgeworld release marine models for 30k, take those grumbles to the relevant sub forum.

But yeah I'll continue to be a "marinetard" without a marine army, enjoy the hobby rather than just existing to whine like an entitled brat.

So all the Relic marine stuff like say the Levithan Dreadnought which so is big wih Iron Hands is not a thing? Does not exisit?

Unfortunately GW AND FW focuss on the Marines.

It's a relic because it's from the time of the heresy, released for 30k and the community wanted rules for using them in 40k so they made them. They also predate 8th edition by a fair bit.

Did you know forgeworld also sell stuff for every army? Did you know they used to have totally unique individual ranges that weren't marines?

Are you aware you do not have to buy them, read about them or have any interest in them?

YOU were the one who mistakenly (or willfully) stated FW is 30k only. I corrected your error

List the amount of units available for Non Marine armies and then compare with marines armies.

I buy some not others - I would like to have the choice to buy stuff other than Marines.

I want rules for my Sisters of Silence in 40K
I want rules for my Ad Mech stuff in 40k
I want rules and model for Heresy era stuff for other factions that are currently ignored.

But I guess there is only room for marines until 40k is just the same as 30k and "only marines" players get what they want - is that what you want?

I wilfully stated they released the marine models for 30k, that stands true. The 40k rules came on release for the leviathan in 2015 (so totally irrelevant to the current release schedule) rather than in a fw book.

The lack of 40k rules for the mechanicum units is the reason I dont have an admech army. There's a sisters of silence index in WD this month.

What I want is for GW to continue doing well, producing new content and have good times engaging the hobby.

What is it about this marine release that stops you from doing the same?




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Pain4Pleasure wrote:
There is no reasoning with this guyface. He obviously has... weird and incorrect knowledge of 40k and it’s surrounding materials at disposal. Sad, younger and younger children like this are joining the hobby and spouting off nonsense as if this is their 3rd period class in school and they have the latest gossip.

And yet I aren't the one crying about marines getting a release on a forum and acting like they've broken human rights or something and lifes not worth living.

Removed - BrookM

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
It’s quite a shame you don’t understand this hobby it seems. Maybe one day you’ll learn, you seem rather new so we can let it pass at least for now

I've played since mid 3rd edition, I understand the hobby is about people getting together for a game over a beer etc. And blowing off some steam having a laugh.

What is this hobby about for you?

I wilfully stated they released the marine models for 30k, that stands true. The 40k rules came on release for the leviathan in 2015 (so totally irrelevant to the current release schedule) rather than in a fw book.

The lack of 40k rules for the mechanicum units is the reason I dont have an admech army. There's a sisters of silence index in WD this month.

What I want is for GW to continue doing well, producing new content and have good times engaging the hobby.

What is it about this marine release that stops you from doing the same?

The replacement of my r&h through 30 k marines.
And the fact that the Chaos dex 2.0 comparatively was just another cashgrab.
The fact that some useless 1000 spanker chapters get supplements before the far larger legions.
The fact that GK didn't get fixed and we are stuck on supplements.
The fact that Necrons didn't get help.
The fact that orkz are now one trick Ponys.
The fact that the csm range got neglected until recently in favour of marines.
The fact that the eldar range got neglected until recently in favour of marines
The fact that SoB got literally nearly squatted in favour of more marines?
The fact that Drukhari are now down to 3 hq but we need another 6 special marine charachters on top.


So yeah, i get why atleast some players are annoyed by constant marine releases compared to their factions

Not Online!!! wrote:

I wilfully stated they released the marine models for 30k, that stands true. The 40k rules came on release for the leviathan in 2015 (so totally irrelevant to the current release schedule) rather than in a fw book.

The lack of 40k rules for the mechanicum units is the reason I dont have an admech army. There's a sisters of silence index in WD this month.

What I want is for GW to continue doing well, producing new content and have good times engaging the hobby.

What is it about this marine release that stops you from doing the same?

The replacement of my r&h through 30 k marines.
And the fact that the Chaos dex 2.0 comparatively was just another cashgrab.
The fact that some useless 1000 spanker chapters get supplements before the far larger legions.
The fact that GK didn't get fixed and we are stuck on supplements.
The fact that Necrons didn't get help.
The fact that orkz are now one trick Ponys.
The fact that the csm range got neglected until recently in favour of marines.
The fact that the eldar range got neglected until recently in favour of marines
The fact that SoB got literally nearly squatted in favour of more marines?
The fact that Drukhari are now down to 3 hq but we need another 6 special marine charachters on top.


So yeah, i get why atleast some players are annoyed by constant marine releases compared to their factions

Then maybe move away from 40k and GW if it causes them that much pain? Eventually the company will learn when sales drop.

Dudeface wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

I wilfully stated they released the marine models for 30k, that stands true. The 40k rules came on release for the leviathan in 2015 (so totally irrelevant to the current release schedule) rather than in a fw book.

The lack of 40k rules for the mechanicum units is the reason I dont have an admech army. There's a sisters of silence index in WD this month.

What I want is for GW to continue doing well, producing new content and have good times engaging the hobby.

What is it about this marine release that stops you from doing the same?

The replacement of my r&h through 30 k marines.
And the fact that the Chaos dex 2.0 comparatively was just another cashgrab.
The fact that some useless 1000 spanker chapters get supplements before the far larger legions.
The fact that GK didn't get fixed and we are stuck on supplements.
The fact that Necrons didn't get help.
The fact that orkz are now one trick Ponys.
The fact that the csm range got neglected until recently in favour of marines.
The fact that the eldar range got neglected until recently in favour of marines
The fact that SoB got literally nearly squatted in favour of more marines?
The fact that Drukhari are now down to 3 hq but we need another 6 special marine charachters on top.


So yeah, i get why atleast some players are annoyed by constant marine releases compared to their factions

Then maybe move away from 40k and GW if it causes them that much pain? Eventually the company will learn when sales drop.

Nope, they will just repeat the one sided release schedule, E.g. SoB which only happened through massive demmand of the community.

And that is a shame especially considering how much fun this hobby could be and how expensive it is comparatively.

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

I wilfully stated they released the marine models for 30k, that stands true. The 40k rules came on release for the leviathan in 2015 (so totally irrelevant to the current release schedule) rather than in a fw book.

The lack of 40k rules for the mechanicum units is the reason I dont have an admech army. There's a sisters of silence index in WD this month.

What I want is for GW to continue doing well, producing new content and have good times engaging the hobby.

What is it about this marine release that stops you from doing the same?

The replacement of my r&h through 30 k marines.
And the fact that the Chaos dex 2.0 comparatively was just another cashgrab.
The fact that some useless 1000 spanker chapters get supplements before the far larger legions.
The fact that GK didn't get fixed and we are stuck on supplements.
The fact that Necrons didn't get help.
The fact that orkz are now one trick Ponys.
The fact that the csm range got neglected until recently in favour of marines.
The fact that the eldar range got neglected until recently in favour of marines
The fact that SoB got literally nearly squatted in favour of more marines?
The fact that Drukhari are now down to 3 hq but we need another 6 special marine charachters on top.


So yeah, i get why atleast some players are annoyed by constant marine releases compared to their factions

Woah be careful now, he has been playing since 3rd edition so I think he knows what he is talking about and we should all take his opinion as fact and apologize.

Nope, you're entitled to an opinion as am I.

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

I wilfully stated they released the marine models for 30k, that stands true. The 40k rules came on release for the leviathan in 2015 (so totally irrelevant to the current release schedule) rather than in a fw book.

The lack of 40k rules for the mechanicum units is the reason I dont have an admech army. There's a sisters of silence index in WD this month.

What I want is for GW to continue doing well, producing new content and have good times engaging the hobby.

What is it about this marine release that stops you from doing the same?

The replacement of my r&h through 30 k marines.
And the fact that the Chaos dex 2.0 comparatively was just another cashgrab.
The fact that some useless 1000 spanker chapters get supplements before the far larger legions.
The fact that GK didn't get fixed and we are stuck on supplements.
The fact that Necrons didn't get help.
The fact that orkz are now one trick Ponys.
The fact that the csm range got neglected until recently in favour of marines.
The fact that the eldar range got neglected until recently in favour of marines
The fact that SoB got literally nearly squatted in favour of more marines?
The fact that Drukhari are now down to 3 hq but we need another 6 special marine charachters on top.


So yeah, i get why atleast some players are annoyed by constant marine releases compared to their factions

Woah be careful now, he has been playing since 3rd edition so I think he knows what he is talking about and we should all take his opinion as fact and apologize.

Whilest i get your point, you'd be better off with staying civil pain4pleasure.


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Also my point is, even as a Spikey marine nowadays since my r&h literally got soft squatted that :
A: the uptick in marines and the ammount of mirror matches is boring.
B: better of playing 30k if you want the same experience right now.

Basically it would be way more healthy if GW would balance Investments and development of models and rules more then now.
Can't be fun to mirror all 3 battles atleast even in a casual setting.

Warnings have been issued to those parties who could not stick to rule #1.

Kindly stick to the rules and stick to the topic.

Dudeface wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

I wilfully stated they released the marine models for 30k, that stands true. The 40k rules came on release for the leviathan in 2015 (so totally irrelevant to the current release schedule) rather than in a fw book.

The lack of 40k rules for the mechanicum units is the reason I dont have an admech army. There's a sisters of silence index in WD this month.

What I want is for GW to continue doing well, producing new content and have good times engaging the hobby.

What is it about this marine release that stops you from doing the same?

The replacement of my r&h through 30 k marines.
And the fact that the Chaos dex 2.0 comparatively was just another cashgrab.
The fact that some useless 1000 spanker chapters get supplements before the far larger legions.
The fact that GK didn't get fixed and we are stuck on supplements.
The fact that Necrons didn't get help.
The fact that orkz are now one trick Ponys.
The fact that the csm range got neglected until recently in favour of marines.
The fact that the eldar range got neglected until recently in favour of marines
The fact that SoB got literally nearly squatted in favour of more marines?
The fact that Drukhari are now down to 3 hq but we need another 6 special marine charachters on top.


So yeah, i get why atleast some players are annoyed by constant marine releases compared to their factions

Then maybe move away from 40k and GW if it causes them that much pain? Eventually the company will learn when sales drop.

WTF should we - It does not cause me pain - don't be melodramtic - I have a brother just out of hospital /critical list- thats pain - this is just a fething game.

That being said - we can complain about what thwe like as long as its oT - given that this is about whether or not non marine armies get much from the new campaign - its laser focussed on topic.

Sisters of Silence are getting a tweak to the current units not the Fw units -according to Warhammer Community.

Not Online!!! wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

I wilfully stated they released the marine models for 30k, that stands true. The 40k rules came on release for the leviathan in 2015 (so totally irrelevant to the current release schedule) rather than in a fw book.

The lack of 40k rules for the mechanicum units is the reason I dont have an admech army. There's a sisters of silence index in WD this month.

What I want is for GW to continue doing well, producing new content and have good times engaging the hobby.

What is it about this marine release that stops you from doing the same?

The replacement of my r&h through 30 k marines.
And the fact that the Chaos dex 2.0 comparatively was just another cashgrab.
The fact that some useless 1000 spanker chapters get supplements before the far larger legions.
The fact that GK didn't get fixed and we are stuck on supplements.
The fact that Necrons didn't get help.
The fact that orkz are now one trick Ponys.
The fact that the csm range got neglected until recently in favour of marines.
The fact that the eldar range got neglected until recently in favour of marines
The fact that SoB got literally nearly squatted in favour of more marines?
The fact that Drukhari are now down to 3 hq but we need another 6 special marine charachters on top.


So yeah, i get why atleast some players are annoyed by constant marine releases compared to their factions

Woah be careful now, he has been playing since 3rd edition so I think he knows what he is talking about and we should all take his opinion as fact and apologize.

Whilest i get your point, you'd be better off with staying civil pain4pleasure.


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Also my point is, even as a Spikey marine nowadays since my r&h literally got soft squatted that :
A: the uptick in marines and the ammount of mirror matches is boring.
B: better of playing 30k if you want the same experience right now.

Basically it would be way more healthy if GW would balance Investments and development of models and rules more then now.
Can't be fun to mirror all 3 battles atleast even in a casual setting.

Thank you for making a reasonable point, yeah the proliferation of marine players is pretty high, hence why they sell so well, but as you say it results in mirror matches which can get old fast.

It's a nice concept to have a wider diversity and representation, I was hoping the eldar release would be larger to facilitate that and draw in new xenos players, but something is better than nothing!

Marines will always get more releases than other factions, it's normal.

The cost of a model is mostly non recurrent (design + mold), so a model is good only if there are a lot of people who buy it.

All non marine factions get updated just for the economy of the game, if GW could they would update only marines, because the big money comes from them.

If they release a new grotesque model, it interests only maybe a 5% of the players. Does the passage from resin to plastic generate enough revenue to justify the costs of it? I don't think that they have a big margin honestly.

I don't complain when my nids don't get attention for a while, because i know that are marines that are keeping this game around.

Spoletta wrote:
Marines will always get more releases than other factions, it's normal.

The cost of a model is mostly non recurrent (design + mold), so a model is good only if there are a lot of people who buy it.

All non marine factions get updated just for the economy of the game, if GW could they would update only marines, because the big money comes from them.

If they release a new grotesque model, it interests only maybe a 5% of the players. Does the passage from resin to plastic generate enough revenue to justify the costs of it? I don't think that they have a big margin honestly.

I don't complain when my nids don't get attention for a while, because i know that are marines that are keeping this game around.

And here is where you Fall into a trap.
The lack of investment will lead to further marginalisation.
Sure marines sell better but when you let marines get literally 1/3 of releases probably closer to half whilest other armies have units that are of legal drinking age you will marginalize these factions.
Ergo you get the nice deinvestment circle SoB had going.
Also there is a thing called oversaturation which leads also to lower sales across the board.

GW should know this especially due to the Feedback for SoB, but they seemingly throw that out the window for short term gain.

Not Online!!! wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
Marines will always get more releases than other factions, it's normal.

The cost of a model is mostly non recurrent (design + mold), so a model is good only if there are a lot of people who buy it.

All non marine factions get updated just for the economy of the game, if GW could they would update only marines, because the big money comes from them.

If they release a new grotesque model, it interests only maybe a 5% of the players. Does the passage from resin to plastic generate enough revenue to justify the costs of it? I don't think that they have a big margin honestly.

I don't complain when my nids don't get attention for a while, because i know that are marines that are keeping this game around.

And here is where you Fall into a trap.
The lack of investment will lead to further marginalisation.
Sure marines sell better but when you let marines get literally 1/3 of releases probably closer to half whilest other armies have units that are of legal drinking age you will marginalize these factions.
Ergo you get the nice deinvestment circle SoB had going.
Also there is a thing called oversaturation which leads also to lower sales across the board.

GW should know this especially due to the Feedback for SoB, but they seemingly throw that out the window for short term gain.

Spot on and nigh impossible to resolve atm, unless stealer cults and sob show them minor factions being expanded bring home the bacon they'll always stick to what they know works.

Dudeface wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
Marines will always get more releases than other factions, it's normal.

The cost of a model is mostly non recurrent (design + mold), so a model is good only if there are a lot of people who buy it.

All non marine factions get updated just for the economy of the game, if GW could they would update only marines, because the big money comes from them.

If they release a new grotesque model, it interests only maybe a 5% of the players. Does the passage from resin to plastic generate enough revenue to justify the costs of it? I don't think that they have a big margin honestly.

I don't complain when my nids don't get attention for a while, because i know that are marines that are keeping this game around.

And here is where you Fall into a trap.
The lack of investment will lead to further marginalisation.
Sure marines sell better but when you let marines get literally 1/3 of releases probably closer to half whilest other armies have units that are of legal drinking age you will marginalize these factions.
Ergo you get the nice deinvestment circle SoB had going.
Also there is a thing called oversaturation which leads also to lower sales across the board.

GW should know this especially due to the Feedback for SoB, but they seemingly throw that out the window for short term gain.

Spot on and nigh impossible to resolve atm, unless stealer cults and sob show them minor factions being expanded bring home the bacon they'll always stick to what they know works.

See post above - If you don't make it people can't buy it.

plus the whole reason they had to do Primaris is becuase without futher flandserisation like santa Logan or awful looking gak like Centurions being crowbarred into the range they had more than completed the Marine range.

Sisters and Cults are present in vast numbers in the 40k universe, its only that the myopic vision of Marines first, second and third has led to them being so present.

Marines will always work, because they fulfil the heroic human trope. It's not because GW keep pushing them, that's the wrong way around. They keep pushing them because they are the easiest sell.

The heroic human is always the most popular faction in every game, even in games that have equal choice.

 Stux wrote:
Marines will always work, because they fulfil the heroic human trope. It's not because GW keep pushing them, that's the wrong way around. They keep pushing them because they are the easiest sell.

The heroic human is always the most popular faction in every game, even in games that have equal choice.

Again they have various human heroes in the lore. Not just Marines - many of the BL novels are about heroes other than Marines. But if you only talk about, make and sell one part of your universe - guess what sells.

 Stux wrote:
Marines will always work, because they fulfil the heroic human trope.

That's a funny way of saying Imperial Guard.
I think its a lot more heroic and awe-inspiring for an ordinary human to beat super humans with century long life spans than super humans beating super humans.
Space Marines aren't humans. They were humans, but they've undergone so many genetic enhancements that they could hardly be considered human anymore.

The game and setting would be a lot better if the focus on Imperial Guard rather than marines, imo. That's what made the Empire so appealing in WHFB; you had your ordinary humans armed with nothing but steel, gunpowder and sheer will fighting against undead, hulking brutish monstrosities and demonically empowered humans in magical armor.

Oh sure the Empire had magic and demigryphs, but those weren't the mainstay of the Empire's forces. Space Marines and Sigmarines just don't have the same sort of dramatic appeal.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Stux wrote:
Marines will always work, because they fulfil the heroic human trope.

That's a funny way of saying Imperial Guard.
I dunno about you, but I think its a lot more heroic and awe-inspiring for an ordinary human to beat super humans with century long life spans than super humans beating super humans.
Space Marines aren't humans. They were humans, but they've undergone so many genetic enhancements that they could hardly be considered human anymore.

Shhh to some people there is only good Marines fighting bad Marines, everything else is just to provide background cheers and boos

Not Online!!! wrote:

I wilfully stated they released the marine models for 30k, that stands true. The 40k rules came on release for the leviathan in 2015 (so totally irrelevant to the current release schedule) rather than in a fw book.

The lack of 40k rules for the mechanicum units is the reason I dont have an admech army. There's a sisters of silence index in WD this month.

What I want is for GW to continue doing well, producing new content and have good times engaging the hobby.

What is it about this marine release that stops you from doing the same?

The replacement of my r&h through 30 k marines.
And the fact that the Chaos dex 2.0 comparatively was just another cashgrab.
The fact that some useless 1000 spanker chapters get supplements before the far larger legions.
The fact that GK didn't get fixed and we are stuck on supplements.
The fact that Necrons didn't get help.
The fact that orkz are now one trick Ponys.
The fact that the csm range got neglected until recently in favour of marines.
The fact that the eldar range got neglected until recently in favour of marines
The fact that SoB got literally nearly squatted in favour of more marines?
The fact that Drukhari are now down to 3 hq but we need another 6 special marine charachters on top.


So yeah, i get why atleast some players are annoyed by constant marine releases compared to their factions

This.

 Mr Morden wrote:
I have a brother just out of hospital /critical list- thats pain - this is just a fething game.

Off topic but I'm sorry to hear that. I wish your brother all the best in his recovery.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
Marines will always get more releases than other factions, it's normal.

The cost of a model is mostly non recurrent (design + mold), so a model is good only if there are a lot of people who buy it.

All non marine factions get updated just for the economy of the game, if GW could they would update only marines, because the big money comes from them.

If they release a new grotesque model, it interests only maybe a 5% of the players. Does the passage from resin to plastic generate enough revenue to justify the costs of it? I don't think that they have a big margin honestly.

I don't complain when my nids don't get attention for a while, because i know that are marines that are keeping this game around.

And here is where you Fall into a trap.
The lack of investment will lead to further marginalisation.
Sure marines sell better but when you let marines get literally 1/3 of releases probably closer to half whilest other armies have units that are of legal drinking age you will marginalize these factions.
Ergo you get the nice deinvestment circle SoB had going.
Also there is a thing called oversaturation which leads also to lower sales across the board.

GW should know this especially due to the Feedback for SoB, but they seemingly throw that out the window for short term gain.

Spot on and nigh impossible to resolve atm, unless stealer cults and sob show them minor factions being expanded bring home the bacon they'll always stick to what they know works.

See post above - If you don't make it people can't buy it.

plus the whole reason they had to do Primaris is becuase without futher flandserisation like santa Logan or awful looking gak like Centurions being crowbarred into the range they had more than completed the Marine range.

Sisters and Cults are present in vast numbers in the 40k universe, its only that the myopic vision of Marines first, second and third has led to them being so present.

To be fair, Primaris did need to be fleshed out some. The primaris range was woefully undeveloped and needed some additions. Its just that they chose to do it BEFORE updated every non-marine faction's finecast range.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Stux wrote:
Marines will always work, because they fulfil the heroic human trope.

That's a funny way of saying Imperial Guard.
I think its a lot more heroic and awe-inspiring for an ordinary human to beat super humans with century long life spans than super humans beating super humans.
Space Marines aren't humans. They were humans, but they've undergone so many genetic enhancements that they could hardly be considered human anymore.

The game and setting would be a lot better if the focus on Imperial Guard rather than marines, imo. That's what made the Empire so appealing in WHFB; you had your ordinary humans armed with nothing but steel, gunpowder and sheer will fighting against undead, hulking brutish monstrosities and demonically empowered humans in magical armor.

Oh sure the Empire had magic and demigryphs, but those weren't the mainstay of the Empire's forces. Space Marines and Sigmarines just don't have the same sort of dramatic appeal.

You misunderstand me. Ordinary guard are not exciting to the layperson. Super soldiers in power armour are. That's the heroic humans that sell. People want to be paladins, not peasants.

Dudeface wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
Marines will always get more releases than other factions, it's normal.

The cost of a model is mostly non recurrent (design + mold), so a model is good only if there are a lot of people who buy it.

All non marine factions get updated just for the economy of the game, if GW could they would update only marines, because the big money comes from them.

If they release a new grotesque model, it interests only maybe a 5% of the players. Does the passage from resin to plastic generate enough revenue to justify the costs of it? I don't think that they have a big margin honestly.

I don't complain when my nids don't get attention for a while, because i know that are marines that are keeping this game around.

And here is where you Fall into a trap.
The lack of investment will lead to further marginalisation.
Sure marines sell better but when you let marines get literally 1/3 of releases probably closer to half whilest other armies have units that are of legal drinking age you will marginalize these factions.
Ergo you get the nice deinvestment circle SoB had going.
Also there is a thing called oversaturation which leads also to lower sales across the board.

GW should know this especially due to the Feedback for SoB, but they seemingly throw that out the window for short term gain.

Spot on and nigh impossible to resolve atm, unless stealer cults and sob show them minor factions being expanded bring home the bacon they'll always stick to what they know works.

Stealer cults have other issues though.
Its probably the most expensive army to date only beaten out by R&H.
They will sell decently but not be cheap enough for a entry army.



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 Stux wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Stux wrote:
Marines will always work, because they fulfil the heroic human trope.

That's a funny way of saying Imperial Guard.
I think its a lot more heroic and awe-inspiring for an ordinary human to beat super humans with century long life spans than super humans beating super humans.
Space Marines aren't humans. They were humans, but they've undergone so many genetic enhancements that they could hardly be considered human anymore.

The game and setting would be a lot better if the focus on Imperial Guard rather than marines, imo. That's what made the Empire so appealing in WHFB; you had your ordinary humans armed with nothing but steel, gunpowder and sheer will fighting against undead, hulking brutish monstrosities and demonically empowered humans in magical armor.

Oh sure the Empire had magic and demigryphs, but those weren't the mainstay of the Empire's forces. Space Marines and Sigmarines just don't have the same sort of dramatic appeal.

You misunderstand me. Ordinary guard are not exciting to the layperson. Super soldiers in power armour are. That's the heroic humans that sell. People want to be paladins, not peasants.

Nope, guard fills the trope just fine. The reason guard don't sell is because the Cadian models are Dated as feth, and not the good kind of dated.



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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
Marines will always get more releases than other factions, it's normal.

The cost of a model is mostly non recurrent (design + mold), so a model is good only if there are a lot of people who buy it.

All non marine factions get updated just for the economy of the game, if GW could they would update only marines, because the big money comes from them.

If they release a new grotesque model, it interests only maybe a 5% of the players. Does the passage from resin to plastic generate enough revenue to justify the costs of it? I don't think that they have a big margin honestly.

I don't complain when my nids don't get attention for a while, because i know that are marines that are keeping this game around.

And here is where you Fall into a trap.
The lack of investment will lead to further marginalisation.
Sure marines sell better but when you let marines get literally 1/3 of releases probably closer to half whilest other armies have units that are of legal drinking age you will marginalize these factions.
Ergo you get the nice deinvestment circle SoB had going.
Also there is a thing called oversaturation which leads also to lower sales across the board.

GW should know this especially due to the Feedback for SoB, but they seemingly throw that out the window for short term gain.

Spot on and nigh impossible to resolve atm, unless stealer cults and sob show them minor factions being expanded bring home the bacon they'll always stick to what they know works.

See post above - If you don't make it people can't buy it.

plus the whole reason they had to do Primaris is becuase without futher flandserisation like santa Logan or awful looking gak like Centurions being crowbarred into the range they had more than completed the Marine range.

Sisters and Cults are present in vast numbers in the 40k universe, its only that the myopic vision of Marines first, second and third has led to them being so present.

To be fair, Primaris did need to be fleshed out some. The primaris range was woefully undeveloped and needed some additions. Its just that they chose to do it BEFORE updated every non-marine faction's finecast range.

Primaris were a fault as seperate entry.
Not the models but them beeing something seperate.
Nobody would complain about them if Cawl just showed up with a bunch of New rifles and help roboute out in saving the IoM s bacon.

But alas that is highly subjektive.

 Stux wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Stux wrote:
Marines will always work, because they fulfil the heroic human trope.

That's a funny way of saying Imperial Guard.
I think its a lot more heroic and awe-inspiring for an ordinary human to beat super humans with century long life spans than super humans beating super humans.
Space Marines aren't humans. They were humans, but they've undergone so many genetic enhancements that they could hardly be considered human anymore.

The game and setting would be a lot better if the focus on Imperial Guard rather than marines, imo. That's what made the Empire so appealing in WHFB; you had your ordinary humans armed with nothing but steel, gunpowder and sheer will fighting against undead, hulking brutish monstrosities and demonically empowered humans in magical armor.

Oh sure the Empire had magic and demigryphs, but those weren't the mainstay of the Empire's forces. Space Marines and Sigmarines just don't have the same sort of dramatic appeal.

You misunderstand me. Ordinary guard are not exciting to the layperson. Super soldiers in power armour are. That's the heroic humans that sell. People want to be paladins, not peasants.

So Sisters of Silence and Battle then?

Oh so not read any of the Gaurd Lore then....
Eisenhorn, Cain and Gaunts Ghosts are often cited as the must read 40k novels.
Marines are not Paladins - thats Custodes.

All depends on how (or rather IF) you sell and depcit them.