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So I'm wondering if I can take 3x numarine (white scar) captains AND 3x blood Angel's captains in 2 different detachments in a battle forged army. They seem like different data sheets, that should be allowed right?
   
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Sioux Falls, SD

RAW you probably can, but RAI I would say no based off of the daemon prince precedence. You would also lose a lot of benefits by bringing BA with WS.

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Iron-Fist wrote:
So I'm wondering if I can take 3x numarine (white scar) captains AND 3x blood Angel's captains in 2 different detachments in a battle forged army. They seem like different data sheets, that should be allowed right?


At present entirely legal.
   
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one thing to note: the max 3 of the same datasheet is a organised play suggestion, most tournament follow this.

 
   
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Lieutenant General





Florence, KY

If you're using the 'Organised Events' chart on page 214 of the main rulebook you're either in a tournament (in which case it would be up to the Tournament Organizer) or your group or store has decided to adopt the chart for casual play (in which case it would be a house rule and the answer would be up to the store or a consensus reached by the group).

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Going by the Organised Play rules, you can indeed take 3xCodex: Space Marines Captains and 3xCodex: Blood Angels Captains.

Any House Rules you'll need to discuss with the House.
   
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Powerful Phoenix Lord





Dallas area, TX

Assuming you are playing "Organized Play" and capping each datasheet to 3 at up to 2000pts, it depends.

The Daemon Prince used to be an example of a datasheet you could take more that 3 *IF* they came from different Codices. So you could take 3 CSM DPs, 3 Death Guard DPs and 3 Tsons DPs.
That has been specifically FAQ'd otherwise, so you can only have 3 DPs no matter the source codex.
I suspect the INTENT is for this to apply to Captains as well, but since this hasn't been applied to Captains specifically, whop know?

However, Captains are a bit more complication because their are several "Captain" datasheets in each codex. Terminator and Bike Captains are their own thing, as are Primaris and Gravis Captains.
So technically, you can have 15 Captains in a single list using the same Codex. 3 regular Capts, 3 Bikes, 3 Termies, 3 Primaris and 3 Gravis

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 Galef wrote:
Assuming you are playing "Organized Play" and capping each datasheet to 3 at up to 2000pts, it depends.

The Daemon Prince used to be an example of a datasheet you could take more that 3 *IF* they came from different Codices. So you could take 3 CSM DPs, 3 Death Guard DPs and 3 Tsons DPs.
That has been specifically FAQ'd otherwise, so you can only have 3 DPs no matter the source codex.
I suspect the INTENT is for this to apply to Captains as well, but since this hasn't been applied to Captains specifically, whop know?

However, Captains are a bit more complication because their are several "Captain" datasheets in each codex. Terminator and Bike Captains are their own thing, as are Primaris and Gravis Captains.
So technically, you can have 15 Captains in a single list using the same Codex. 3 regular Capts, 3 Bikes, 3 Termies, 3 Primaris and 3 Gravis

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If the intent was to apply it to Captains, there would be an FAQ stating so.
   
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Dallas area, TX

 BaconCatBug wrote:
If the intent was to apply it to Captains, there would be an FAQ stating so.
True. I'lll have to dig up that FAQ, but I could have sworn it had some kind of wording applying to ALL such units, but used the DP just as an example.

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Germany

 Galef wrote:
 BaconCatBug wrote:
If the intent was to apply it to Captains, there would be an FAQ stating so.
True. I'lll have to dig up that FAQ, but I could have sworn it had some kind of wording applying to ALL such units, but used the DP just as an example.

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There is no such FAQ.
   
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Powerful Phoenix Lord





Dallas area, TX

My bad, I misremembered. I found what I was referring to on the last page of the BRB FAQ, and it indeed JUST calls out the DP.
Still, it could be used as precedence for limiting other unit like Captains, but it would be a house rule at that point

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Norn Queen






 Galef wrote:
 BaconCatBug wrote:
If the intent was to apply it to Captains, there would be an FAQ stating so.
True. I'lll have to dig up that FAQ, but I could have sworn it had some kind of wording applying to ALL such units, but used the DP just as an example.

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There is no such FAQ. They call out only Daemon Princes [of Nurgle/Tzeentch] (CSM, DG, TS), Heavy Weapon Teams (Astra Copywritum, DKOK and Elysians) and a finite list of Astra Copywritum and GSC units.

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Powerful Phoenix Lord





Dallas area, TX

@BCB: see my post before yours. I misremembered the FAQ I was referring too, then looked it up and corrected myself.

So I agree, to answer the OP, it's totally possible to have 3 WS Cpts and 3 BA Cpts in the same army since they are different Datasheets

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Get crazy and throw in

SW captains - wolf lord
DA captains - masters
DW captains - Watch captains

GW isn't good at writing rules
   
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 BaconCatBug wrote:
 Galef wrote:
Assuming you are playing "Organized Play" and capping each datasheet to 3 at up to 2000pts, it depends.

The Daemon Prince used to be an example of a datasheet you could take more that 3 *IF* they came from different Codices. So you could take 3 CSM DPs, 3 Death Guard DPs and 3 Tsons DPs.
That has been specifically FAQ'd otherwise, so you can only have 3 DPs no matter the source codex.
I suspect the INTENT is for this to apply to Captains as well, but since this hasn't been applied to Captains specifically, whop know?

However, Captains are a bit more complication because their are several "Captain" datasheets in each codex. Terminator and Bike Captains are their own thing, as are Primaris and Gravis Captains.
So technically, you can have 15 Captains in a single list using the same Codex. 3 regular Capts, 3 Bikes, 3 Termies, 3 Primaris and 3 Gravis

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If the intent was to apply it to Captains, there would be an FAQ stating so.


Come now, you know that isn't true. It's also entirely possible based on previous FAQs that it's not intended but they haven't gotten around to doing it yet. Maybe they've forgotten, maybe they've assumed people can figure it out themselves (rightly or wrongly). These are things we know they do.

In this instance though, the general consensus is that the RAW is fine - that you can can all those captains.
   
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Even without the rule of three, I would be pretty upset if you tried to field more than 10 captains from the same chapter (or more than 7 for Salamanders)

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Answer is simple. RAW yes you can.

However do not be surprised if you ever go to a tourni and the house rules state you can't based of previous FAQ's from other similar related issues.

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I think most tourneys would allow it
   
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 Bilge Rat wrote:
Even without the rule of three, I would be pretty upset if you tried to field more than 10 captains from the same chapter (or more than 7 for Salamanders)


Unless you call it the Captain Morgan army, which would mean all the models would have to be captains. ( I don't know if they have the Captain Morgan commercials in the UK)

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Generally things get canned if they are good. Win a few tournies with multiple captains and you will just as likely see them all capped at 3.
   
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St. Louis, Missouri USA

Based on 3 detachments aren't you limited to only 15?

 
   
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 deviantduck wrote:
Based on 3 detachments aren't you limited to only 15?
Only if you're playing a 2,000-2,999 points limit game. And even then only if you're using the Organised Play rules.
   
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TLDR: Organised Sugesstion are not actual rules (regardless how many house meta events exist), Matched Play does not care, even more so in this anti-character meta... RAW

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