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Hey folks!

My friend (whom is almost always the reason I ask questions on this board ) has a new question that we disagree on, so I'd like to see what you guys think. Unfortunately, this is all Codex Space Marines, so I don't have rule quotes. The question that has come up is the interaction of Feel No Pain and Bodyguards. My friend wants to do the following:

Situation;
A character with Feel No Pain is near a model that is a bodyguard (the bodyguard model has a rule where if the nearby character would take damage, he rolls a die, and on a 2+ the bodyguard takes a mortal wound instead), and the bodyguard also has Feel No Pain.

Assume he takes a hit from a Lascannon and fails his Inv save, and that when the damage for the lascannon is rolled the number is a 6. What's the order of operations for figuring out how much damage is dealt?


My understanding is that these are two different abilities that ignore wounds, so that the following would apply;

Page 181 – Ignoring Wounds
Add the following as a boxout on this page:
‘Ignoring Wounds
Some units have abilities that allow them to ignore the damage suffered each time it loses a wound (e.g. Disgustingly Resilient, The Flesh is Weak and Tenacious Survivor). If a model has more than one such ability, you can only use one of those abilities each time the model loses a wound.’

This would result in the following;
1. Captain fails save
2. Captain's controller chooses whether to use Feel No Pain or Bodyguard ability.
3. Roll Feel No Pain for either the Captain (6 damage to roll) or for the Bodyguard (if it succeeds, rolls FnP against 1 mortal wound).

His interpretation is the following;
1. Captain fails save
2. Captain's controller rolls Feel No Pain to try and mitigate the damage (6 Feel No Pain Rolls).
3. If any are failed, the Bodyguard makes a single roll to take the hit.
4. If the Bodyguard successfully rolls, all remaining damage is reduced to 1 Mortal Wound on the Bodyguard.
5. Bodyguard rolls FnP for the Mortal Wound.

Any idea which is right? Is it somewhere in the middle?

The character would roll his FNP, and for every roll he fails, the bodyguard would suffer 1MW on a roll of 2+. So, if the damage is 6, and 2 FNP rolls are successful, the bodyguard would roll 4 dice, and suffer 1MW for each 2+ he rolls. Then the bodyguards would roll their FNP against each MW they suffer.

Bodyguards will still get their FNP against any bullets they caught. The "FNPs dont stack" rule is only for an individual unit. We're dealing with two in this scenario.

Bodyguard rolls d6 for each damage taken.
If the said bodyguard also has FNP, then you roll for FNP for each mortal wound taken.

Note any failed Look out Sir would result in the original target taking the damage as normal.

But if it says "takes the hit", wouldn't that mean it works more like a Shield Drone? Much appreciated for the answers so far!


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Also, like I said, I don't have the rule since my friend is the one saying this and I don't have that book for a direct rules quote. If someone has the codex and can provide that direct rules quote, it would really help.

Command Squad Bodyguard: When a friendly <CHAPTER> CHARACTER model within 3" of this unit would lose any wounds as a result of an attack made against that model, this unit can attempt to intercept that attack. Roll one D6; on a 2+ that model does not lose those wounds and this unit suffers 1 mortal wound for each of those wounds. Only one attempt can be made to intercept each attack.

Okay, so from that I see it as "if you WOULD lose a wound" as opposed to "if you lose a wound". However, that then seems like the bodyguard has to intercept the hit before you make any Feel No Pain Saves.

So in this example, shouldn't the answer be?

Fail the save, roll for bodyguard, if passed Bodyguard makes 1 Feel No Pain roll, and if failed the Character makes 4 Feel No Pain rolls?


Example of (very similar) Disgustingly Resilient:

There are two equally correct interpretations, with opposite results. It'll come down to the sequencing rule because they happen simultaneously.

 Yarium wrote:
But if it says "takes the hit", wouldn't that mean it works more like a Shield Drone? Much appreciated for the answers so far!

"Takes the hit" is fluff blurb, it doesn't change what the rule does (i.e. work on damage, not hits).

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Yarium wrote:
But if it says "takes the hit", wouldn't that mean it works more like a Shield Drone? Much appreciated for the answers so far!

"Takes the hit" is fluff blurb, it doesn't change what the rule does (i.e. work on damage, not hits).

It's actually a mix. "this unit can attempt to intercept that attack. Roll one D6; on a 2+ that model does not lose those wounds and this unit suffers 1 mortal wound for each of those wounds." There's one roll to intercept the attack, not a roll for each point of damage. After a successful Bodyguard roll transfers the damage that would have been inflicted though, you're not dealing with hits any more. Each point of damage that is transferred over is converted to a mortal wound though, and the FNP rolls would be for each mortal wound.

So then would this be a case where mortal wounds don't spill over to the rest of the unit as the bodyguard rule (as far as sourced from company veterans go) pertains dealing MW at a model level?

 skchsan wrote:
So then would this be a case where mortal wounds don't spill over to the rest of the unit as the bodyguard rule (as far as sourced from company veterans go) pertains dealing MW at a model level?

They can't spill over because each point of damage is rolled one by one, one at a time.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 skchsan wrote:
So then would this be a case where mortal wounds don't spill over to the rest of the unit as the bodyguard rule (as far as sourced from company veterans go) pertains dealing MW at a model level?

They can't spill over because each point of damage is rolled one by one, one at a time.

The rule says you roll one d6 for the attack to transfer the wounds (plural). That does seem to indicate that all the wounds inflected go to the bodyguard with a successful roll.

 doctortom wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 skchsan wrote:
So then would this be a case where mortal wounds don't spill over to the rest of the unit as the bodyguard rule (as far as sourced from company veterans go) pertains dealing MW at a model level?

They can't spill over because each point of damage is rolled one by one, one at a time.

The rule says you roll one d6 for the attack to transfer the wounds (plural). That does seem to indicate that all the wounds inflected go to the bodyguard with a successful roll.

Oh, right, multi-damage wounds.

Yeah, you'd roll a D6 for each damage, and the mortal wounds DO spill over as per the rules for mortal wounds.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 doctortom wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 skchsan wrote:
So then would this be a case where mortal wounds don't spill over to the rest of the unit as the bodyguard rule (as far as sourced from company veterans go) pertains dealing MW at a model level?

They can't spill over because each point of damage is rolled one by one, one at a time.

The rule says you roll one d6 for the attack to transfer the wounds (plural). That does seem to indicate that all the wounds inflected go to the bodyguard with a successful roll.

Oh, right, multi-damage wounds.

Yeah, you'd roll a D6 for each damage, and the mortal wounds DO spill over as per the rules for mortal wounds.

On a second look, the RAW indeed tells you the unit suffers the MW on success, not model.