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**JNAProductions**

How exactly does this thing work? I'm reading it and it seems a little strangely worded.

**BaconCatBug**

JNAProductions wrote:
How exactly does this thing work? I'm reading it and it seems a little strangely worded.

It's essentially a free Auspex Scan that only hits on 6's

**JNAProductions**

The updated one, that interferes with Stratagems.

**BaconCatBug**

JNAProductions wrote:
The updated one, that interferes with Stratagems.

Oh, right. It's a similar effect as the as the Callidus Assassin. When the opponent uses a CP they have to pay an extra CP to use it otherwise it is negated ala Agents of Vect.

E.g. If I use a 2CP stratagem, and you use the Spy Network, I have to pay an extra CP for that stratagem to work. If I can't or won't spend the CP, the stratagem gets negated and my CP are not spent. Unlike the Callidus Assassins ability though it doesn't fail 50% of the time but you don't cause the Opponent to lose the CP already spent.

**doctortom**

Perhaps you could quote the rule for us so we could hazard an opinion?

**BaconCatBug**

doctortom wrote:
Perhaps you could quote the rule for us so we could hazard an opinion?

Spy Network: When an enemy unit is set up on the battlefield as reinforcements, you can select one friendly ORDO MALLEUS unit within 6" of this model. The selected unit can shoot at that enemy unit as if it where your Shooting phase. In addition, once per battle, when your opponent uses a Stratagem, this model can use its spy network. If it does, your opponent must spend 1 additional Command Point to resolve that Stratagem, or else it has no effect and any Command Points spent on that Stratagem are considered not to have been spent. This ability cannot affect Stratagems used 'before the battle'.

So the shooty part now isn't only on 6's which is nice.

**JNAProductions**

So does the stratagem still count as used?

**Sterling191**

JNAProductions wrote:
So does the stratagem still count as used?

Yes.

It's the Callidus CP shenanigan ability, without the need for a roll.

**JNAProductions**

Is there proof of that? Or just inference?

**Sterling191**

JNAProductions wrote:
Is there proof of that? Or just inference?

If by "inference" you mean the literal rulebook definition of playing a stratagem, then yes it's pure inference.

This really isnt complicated. It's no different than Stranglehold or Reign of Confusion in its end result.

**Ordana**

JNAProductions wrote:
Is there proof of that? Or just inference?

Its in the rule?

or else it has no effect

So its not negated. The stratagem happens, but it does nothing.
If it didn't count the stratagem as having been used it would be a useless ability because you would just use the exact same stratagem again, right away because it hasn't been used yet and can therefor still be used this phase.

**JNAProductions**

Okay-thank you.