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I have a question I have dusted an old copy of the dark vengeance starter set I have had for many years, my question is what do you guys recommend to add to this set to bring it in line with the current addition. I’m thinking along the lines of additional units, codexs etc. The 8th edition rulebook is a no brainier I guess. I have been reading up a lot about the current edition and the new units available and just curious if you fine people could recommend anything to make the two forces that come in the box a bit meatier. I’m fine with the two armies included.

Thanks for your time

I would recommend to pick up the current starter box. This way you get more models which you can use for both forces that you already have AND get an up to date rulebook.

https://www.games-workshop.com/de-DE/Warhammer-40000-dark-imperium-eng-2017

Flamingcheese wrote:
I have a question I have dusted an old copy of the dark vengeance starter set I have had for many years, my question is what do you guys recommend to add to this set to bring it in line with the current addition. I’m thinking along the lines of additional units, codexs etc. The 8th edition rulebook is a no brainier I guess. I have been reading up a lot about the current edition and the new units available and just curious if you fine people could recommend anything to make the two forces that come in the box a bit meatier. I’m fine with the two armies included.

Thanks for your time

So if I'm remembering right, that box is something like:

-A 10-man tactical marine squad with plasma cannon and plasma gun
-A captain (or whatever the Dark Angels call a captain...a "master" maybe?)
-A librarian
-5 Deathwing Terminators
-3 Ravenguard bikers

-two 10-man Cultist squads
-A 5-man Chosen squad
-A chaos lord
-An Exalted Champion
-A helbrute with fist and melta

Those are fairly solid forces to run against each other. Pointing them out for the current edition, the chaos force looks to be 483 points, and the loyalist force looks like it's 608 (assuming the head dude is a Master with Relic Blade). Both of them run in a Patrol detachment, which is good for learning games In my opinion because it limits both sides to only 3 Command Points, which can make stratagem stuff much less confusing.

I would pick up something for the chaos space marine side to increase the number of actual Chaos Space Marines in the army, because I think the loyalists have juuuust about enough anti-tank among them to handle the Helbrute, but adding something like a Daemon Engine into the mix might make it tough to compete.

A 5-man squad of Chaos Space Marine Havocs with the new kit might be a good buy. Unfortunately they've pulled the classic GW "one of each weapon choice that they get in the kit" so the most cohesive squad you could create is Missile Launcher/Reaper Autocannon/Reaper Chaincannon/Heavy Bolter, and that would give them a very slight points advantage over the loyalists, but one side being at an 11-point advantage is much better than one side being at a 125 point advantage.

You could also get a box of Chaos Space Marines as well, but that would give the Chaos side a Battalion detachment, which I think would be a really significant advantage and trickier to grasp ruleswise.

if you want to go for a minimum-investment way to get back into the game, grab some Havocs and download the "Battlescribe" app for your phone. Input the two armies into that app, and go to army view, and you will have all the stats for the dudes you own. Then, you can play with the free core rules PDF and greatly simplified stratagems as you learn the game. What I usually do for teaching games is

"Each side gets 3 Command Points. You may spend 1 command point to re-roll any die, but you may not reroll any die more than one time. So you cannot spend a second point to reroll a die again, or if a Character's ability already let you reroll it."


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a_typical_hero wrote:
I would recommend to pick up the current starter box. This way you get more models which you can use for both forces that you already have AND get an up to date rulebook.

https://www.games-workshop.com/de-DE/Warhammer-40000-dark-imperium-eng-2017

I'll be honest, I think getting this right off the bat would be a mistake. The Chaos side is Death Guard, so you would have to run them as Allies (They are not the same army.) and you would be learning with approximately 1,000 point games, which can be a little crazy.

I can take a crack at this question. Of course the current codexes etc. You could probably find the Chapter approved points updates floating around here with a search.

Dark angels:
Add some scouts, maybe 1 with heavy bolter and 1 with missile launcher for the mortal wound strats. Help get that battalion for the CPs

I hear a talon master and sammy on land speeder are good.

Dark Talon

Units with plasma weapons, "Weapons from the Dark Age" is our best thing.

Now if you want primaris the Eliminators with snipers are great and cheap and Dark Angels hellblasters are tops. A Executioner tank with the macro plasma cannon with "WftDA" (weapons from the Dark Age) is best. And if you get an executioner you might as well throw 3 aggressors into it.

Chaos: I dont play chaos

Another few cultist squads for the battalion CPs

Probably a helldrake

new havoks, maybe 2

a psyker

vindicator (the demolisher tank)

the_scotsman wrote:

a_typical_hero wrote:
I would recommend to pick up the current starter box. This way you get more models which you can use for both forces that you already have AND get an up to date rulebook.

https://www.games-workshop.com/de-DE/Warhammer-40000-dark-imperium-eng-2017

I'll be honest, I think getting this right off the bat would be a mistake. The Chaos side is Death Guard, so you would have to run them as Allies (They are not the same army.) and you would be learning with approximately 1,000 point games, which can be a little crazy.

Couldn't he take the Death Guard models regularely in a Chaos force?

- HQ is just a generic Chaos lord
- Sorcerer is a Sorcerer
- Zombies(?) are Cultists
- Plague Marines are Plague Marines
- Just the Blight Drone(?) might be unusable without taking them as allies.

In total it is a great value box, especially when you need the rulebook.

Don’t waste your money on the rulebook - grab either the PDF copies of the rules or one of the pamphlet rules that cam in First Strike, Know No Fear or one of the recent boxed set (about $6 or so on e-bay).

Thanks for the advice you legends. Is primaris the way to go when buying for the loyalists?

Flamingcheese wrote:
Thanks for the advice you legends. Is primaris the way to go when buying for the loyalists?

Mixed is proably best, IMHO the guy saying don't grab dark Imperium is honestly wrong. the stuff in Dark Vengence can, with the exception of the chosen, all be run as death guard. and the chosen are nice looking but a horriable mish mash of weapons so you'd be doing yourself a favor by dropping them anyway and just using them as display pieces

So yeah IMHO definatly grab dark Imperium, you can run your chaos stuff as death guard and have two sizeable armies.

assuming you don't want to get dark Imperium for whatever reason. you can snag start collecting boxes. they just put out a start collecting CSM box and a start collecting vanguard space marines box that would be great. although if you can find a copy you'd be better off buying shadowspear which includes both in one