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Hi guys,
I never tried contrast, I usually don't need or want it, but I'll soon have to paint 30 cadian guardsmen.
I don't want to.

I do spend about 2h for a normal guard trooper, with this result:


I'm pretty happy with this.

But I just can't do 30 guards like this. I am not used to paint hordes.
So, have you tried contrast for classic Cadian ?
What was the results ?
Thanks !

Something like this:

It's perfect thank you ! What paints did you use ?

In your pants I would use regular acrylic paint for the panels and ink on the fabric.

Well, I bought Contrast today and had a quick first try with it.
The results are okay, but I needed TWO coats to get correct results.
That's... surprising.
Here are a few pictures of my first test(models obviously not finished, just tried a few colors):




The guy with the lazpistol has two coats while the other one has only one coat, and it's quite translucent.
Any similar experience ?

You have to paint it on thick. Way thicker than you would think reasonable.

If you paint it like a wash, it doesn’t work.

 godardc wrote:
It's perfect thank you ! What paints did you use ?

Main colors were Aggaros dunes for the fatigues and militarum green for the armor, plus mechanicum grey for the gun and guilliman flesh for the... well, flesh. After that I used some other browns and purples to finish it.

I've personally found that most contrast paints work better adding a drop or two of medium to the mix.

I'm not laying them very thick, though.

 greatbigtree wrote:
You have to paint it on thick. Way thicker than you would think reasonable.

If you paint it like a wash, it doesn’t work.

But that's the issue: they aren't thick AT ALL
I know how to thin a paint, I never tried to get one thicker though

 godardc wrote:

 greatbigtree wrote:
You have to paint it on thick. Way thicker than you would think reasonable.

If you paint it like a wash, it doesn’t work.

But that's the issue: they aren't thick AT ALL
I know how to thin a paint, I never tried to get one thicker though

He meant the amount of paint to apply, not as much its thickness. Heavy, rather than thick.

Hmm... what I mean is, you'll use paint at a faster rate than you normally would.

You want the brushes to be full. Full almost to the point that when they get near the model, the paint tries to jump to the painted surface. When I've used mine, it looks like an actual coating of paint going onto the surface.

Whereas normal paint (washes for example) you don't want pools and "mounds" of paint. With contrast you do. It's a totally different painting technique to take full advantage of the way it works. To me, it looks like a candy coat on top of the model when it's wet. It then smooths out, and looks right, but when you put it on it looks like *way* too much paint, compared to normal painting.

So I finished my first model using Contrast (sorry for the quality but it's already late here and it's a rainy day...)



But that's with 2 coats on the men and .. 3 (!!!) On the weapon !
Using only one looks like this:


I'm using a pencil 1 from Raphael and I don't think I can put more paint on my brush

 Albertorius wrote:

 godardc wrote:
It's perfect thank you ! What paints did you use ?

Main colors were Aggaros dunes for the fatigues and militarum green for the armor, plus mechanicum grey for the gun and guilliman flesh for the... well, flesh. After that I used some other browns and purples to finish it.

I've personally found that most contrast paints work better adding a drop or two of medium to the mix.

I'm not laying them very thick, though.

Your ‘contrast’ mini looks great!

What did you prime with?

 Alpharius wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 godardc wrote:
It's perfect thank you ! What paints did you use ?

Main colors were Aggaros dunes for the fatigues and militarum green for the armor, plus mechanicum grey for the gun and guilliman flesh for the... well, flesh. After that I used some other browns and purples to finish it.

I've personally found that most contrast paints work better adding a drop or two of medium to the mix.

I'm not laying them very thick, though.

Your ‘contrast’ mini looks great!

What did you prime with?

Thanks!

For that one I used Vallejo Bone spray primer, IIRC.

Your brush might be an issue. I don't use Raphael personally, so I can't be certain, but "pencil" doesn't sound like a brush with a particularly large belly.

Something with a brush shape similar to these

Will allow the brush to hold a good quantity of paint, but allow for a point to retain control.

Ok so I tried a different color today, and it didn't work correctly either. Yeah, I meant brush I am sorry I am not a native speaker so sometimes I got some words wrong, I apologize/







Any idea ? Maybe using LESS paint (for it not to trickle) ?

What you have here is a brush control issue and it's the same for any paint, not just contrast.

The more pressure you put on a tip, the more paint will flow out. The less pressure, less paint. Having too much paint in the reservoir (the fat bit of the brush) will mean you need even less pressure for the same amount of paint to flow out.

You do not want a blob of paint on the end of the brush. We're not finger painting here.

So; less paint in the brush (wick some off onto a paper towel / serviette - use something that isn't very fibrous so you don't get paper fibres on your brush or in your paint - toilet tissue is often not good (depends on brand), napkins work quite well).

Apply with little pressure and work with strokes from the inside of the surface toward the edge at an angle bringing it shallower as you get closer. Overlap the previous stroke with the next, and (with contrast or glazing) keep going back to work from the first stroke the other way to avoid getting a set line where you started.

As for the mix in the pot, shake hard, often. It'll take a while to get all that matting agent back into suspension. Stirring it about with a cocktail stick to break it up a bit can help (as can paint agitators), but it's just the nature of the beast as far as contrast paints go.

I'm trying to use contrasts in a more controlled and deliberate way, myself, dilluting them with contrast medium most of the time to get them flowing better and painting in a more traditional way:

@ Godard:

You don’t have any primer on the on model. That’s part of the problem. You need smooth, white primer. Opaque (solid) coverage.

 greatbigtree wrote:
@ Godard:

You don’t have any primer on the on model. That’s part of the problem. You need smooth, white primer. Opaque (solid) coverage.

No. The part I painted green were primed with grey seer, and the previous models were full primed

I mean, I can see the black base, and that model is grey.

I’ll see if I can whip up a Guardsman in the next few days and get some pictures of the process up.

Yeah I thought I had written it but I didn't so it could be confusing indeed, sorry buddy !

Hey Godard,

I've posted a separate thread with the Cadian I painted tonight. I figured that way I didn't hijack your thread.

Linked for your convenience, and my own shameless self-promotion. https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/782862.page

In case you haven't seen the Cadian Heavy Weapon team tutorial using Contrast paints that Warhammer TV posted today.

Dear GW,

I tried to introduce people to the wet over white technique. You release Contrast paint, like, three days later.

I try to do a quick Contrast Cadian, with pictures. You release a video the next Emperor forsaken day.

I get it, you’re a big company. You don’t have to one-up me every time I try to show something hobby-related. I’m not a threat.

Though I do have some thoughts on the next incarnation of the rules. I’m thinking 6 months or so? After the Chapter Approved are all sold out?

 greatbigtree wrote:
I try to do a quick Contrast Cadian, with pictures. You release a video the next Emperor forsaken day.

It went up yesterday on https://citadelcolour.com/ , they just forgot to post it on Facebook and YouTube...

Well... still. Dick move GW.

So this is the final result, I painted them all:

Thanks for all of your advices, guys!