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Do Gork and Mork ever super charge particular notable Orks like Big E and Chaos do? What are such Orks called?

Prime Orks are about as close as you're gonna get. Whether they're saint/prince equivalents is...a little complicated.

I think Orks expend that energy in a more spread out fashion to power their technology (so that it actually works) and stuff like Orks rapidly growing during active battle (literally getting bigger over the course of a few days). Maybe Orks reincarnate like the Eldar used to, so Gork and Mork would rather return their lads to battle among the living full time rather than hang out in the warp.

I don’t think they are ever really gifted any power above what they grew with.
Orks just keep growing and get stronger the longer they survive and more they kill.

The beast would be the best example and also Ghaz, but they were never given any power, they literally earned that power themselves.
More of an exp system than a boost.

Yeah, from what I've seen Gork and Mork never break off their power into daemons or daemon prince equivalents. It's decidedly unorky and they effectively direct their will through Orks as a collective anyways.

Maybe weirdboyz could get that kind of power, if they didn't tend to blow up...

As already mentioned, I think Ork's interaction with the warp and vice versa is a bit more literal and material? (or maybe, funnily enough, less so, as it is more material in realspace but less so in the warp). If I remember correctly, the arrival of Ghazghkull against the tyranids on Octarius is described in rather supernatural lingo - as if his sheer orkiness made him more than just an ork. Also, you could maybe make an argument for gargants being a form of homebuilt incarnations in themselves....

Jackal90 wrote:
I don’t think they are ever really gifted any power above what they grew with.
Orks just keep growing and get stronger the longer they survive and more they kill.

The beast would be the best example and also Ghaz, but they were never given any power, they literally earned that power themselves.
More of an exp system than a boost.

Ghaz was just a normal goff boy until a bolter exploded his brain and he started getting instructions from Gork and Mork... Though feasibly that might actually just be bad doc Grotsnik screwing with him... Anyhow, without his gods' direction he wouldn't have ever amounted to more than a line trooper.

Personally I prefer the idea that Ghaz is just a very smart Ork and the the gods talking to him is just a bit of madness from his head being blown up a little.

Its so weird that Gork and Mork are the strongest gods but THEY NEVER DO ANYTHING! Never empower there followers, never seem to affect the physical world in any way. Why even have gods at all?

chimera0205 wrote:
Its so weird that Gork and Mork are the strongest gods but THEY NEVER DO ANYTHING! Never empower there followers, never seem to affect the physical world in any way. Why even have gods at all?

Gork and Mork are too busy fighting each other. Gods aren't designed to help in 40k, they come from general belief in them. They don't do anything to help because they're busy fighting each other and ultimately, Orks don't need their help.

Even if Gork and Mork decided to "bestow their blessing" on someone, an Ork would likely refuse it. After all... "Wutz da pointa bein' da bigges' and da krumpies' Ork around if all yer strenff ain't yer own."

Or in other words, in Ork society, the strongest Orkz arw in charge. Both the Ork in question and his subordinates would see Godly augmentation as un-Orky and "cheatin'".


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But, really, the Ork Godz wouldn't do that anyway, because for the same reasons listed above. An Ork who don't got enough strength to lead on his own ain't worth being augmented, and an Ork that's already strong enough to lead don't need it.

chimera0205 wrote:
Its so weird that Gork and Mork are the strongest gods but THEY NEVER DO ANYTHING! Never empower there followers, never seem to affect the physical world in any way. Why even have gods at all?

Gork's foot crushes his enemies, Mork's hands sweep his followers over to where they most need to be!

Gork's own grin lights up the night sky across thr galaxy!!

pm713 wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:
Its so weird that Gork and Mork are the strongest gods but THEY NEVER DO ANYTHING! Never empower there followers, never seem to affect the physical world in any way. Why even have gods at all?

Gork and Mork are too busy fighting each other. Gods aren't designed to help in 40k, they come from general belief in them. They don't do anything to help because they're busy fighting each other and ultimately, Orks don't need their help.

Litterally every other Warp god helps there people in some way shape or form.... All of them. The Choas Gods, the Emperor and the Eldar gods.

chimera0205 wrote:

pm713 wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:
Its so weird that Gork and Mork are the strongest gods but THEY NEVER DO ANYTHING! Never empower there followers, never seem to affect the physical world in any way. Why even have gods at all?

Gork and Mork are too busy fighting each other. Gods aren't designed to help in 40k, they come from general belief in them. They don't do anything to help because they're busy fighting each other and ultimately, Orks don't need their help.

Litterally every other Warp god helps there people in some way shape or form.... All of them. The Choas Gods, the Emperor and the Eldar gods.

Because they either technically count as a very powerful mortal like the Emperor (he's stuck in reality and has a definite 'mortal' life), they've basically been bought as with Chaos or they believe that's how it works like with some Eldar gods.

Gork and Mork do intervene by burping ork souls back in to new bodies. They are all living saints in so far as this is a mechanic for them to reincarnate.

If the ork's philosophy on their after life is correct, it leads on to an interesting question; are there a finite number of ork souls that can be 'deployed' at any one time?

pm713 wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:

pm713 wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:
Its so weird that Gork and Mork are the strongest gods but THEY NEVER DO ANYTHING! Never empower there followers, never seem to affect the physical world in any way. Why even have gods at all?

Gork and Mork are too busy fighting each other. Gods aren't designed to help in 40k, they come from general belief in them. They don't do anything to help because they're busy fighting each other and ultimately, Orks don't need their help.

Litterally every other Warp god helps there people in some way shape or form.... All of them. The Choas Gods, the Emperor and the Eldar gods.

Because they either technically count as a very powerful mortal like the Emperor (he's stuck in reality and has a definite 'mortal' life), they've basically been bought as with Chaos or they believe that's how it works like with some Eldar gods.

Sooo what your saying is that the Orks would be no better or worse off if Gork and Mork just didnt fething exist.

chimera0205 wrote:

pm713 wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:

pm713 wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:
Its so weird that Gork and Mork are the strongest gods but THEY NEVER DO ANYTHING! Never empower there followers, never seem to affect the physical world in any way. Why even have gods at all?

Gork and Mork are too busy fighting each other. Gods aren't designed to help in 40k, they come from general belief in them. They don't do anything to help because they're busy fighting each other and ultimately, Orks don't need their help.

Litterally every other Warp god helps there people in some way shape or form.... All of them. The Choas Gods, the Emperor and the Eldar gods.

Because they either technically count as a very powerful mortal like the Emperor (he's stuck in reality and has a definite 'mortal' life), they've basically been bought as with Chaos or they believe that's how it works like with some Eldar gods.

Sooo what your saying is that the Orks would be no better or worse off if Gork and Mork just didnt fething exist.

I doubt it would effect them. They'd just pop up again anyway.

pm713 wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:

pm713 wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:

pm713 wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:
Its so weird that Gork and Mork are the strongest gods but THEY NEVER DO ANYTHING! Never empower there followers, never seem to affect the physical world in any way. Why even have gods at all?

Gork and Mork are too busy fighting each other. Gods aren't designed to help in 40k, they come from general belief in them. They don't do anything to help because they're busy fighting each other and ultimately, Orks don't need their help.

Litterally every other Warp god helps there people in some way shape or form.... All of them. The Choas Gods, the Emperor and the Eldar gods.

Because they either technically count as a very powerful mortal like the Emperor (he's stuck in reality and has a definite 'mortal' life), they've basically been bought as with Chaos or they believe that's how it works like with some Eldar gods.

Sooo what your saying is that the Orks would be no better or worse off if Gork and Mork just didnt fething exist.

I doubt it would effect them. They'd just pop up again anyway.

Sooo narrative wise what the actual feth is the point of Gork and Mork if they never fething do anything

chimera0205 wrote:

pm713 wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:

pm713 wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:

pm713 wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:
Its so weird that Gork and Mork are the strongest gods but THEY NEVER DO ANYTHING! Never empower there followers, never seem to affect the physical world in any way. Why even have gods at all?

Gork and Mork are too busy fighting each other. Gods aren't designed to help in 40k, they come from general belief in them. They don't do anything to help because they're busy fighting each other and ultimately, Orks don't need their help.

Litterally every other Warp god helps there people in some way shape or form.... All of them. The Choas Gods, the Emperor and the Eldar gods.

Because they either technically count as a very powerful mortal like the Emperor (he's stuck in reality and has a definite 'mortal' life), they've basically been bought as with Chaos or they believe that's how it works like with some Eldar gods.

Sooo what your saying is that the Orks would be no better or worse off if Gork and Mork just didnt fething exist.

I doubt it would effect them. They'd just pop up again anyway.

Sooo narrative wise what the actual feth is the point of Gork and Mork if they never fething do anything

It shows where Ork belief goes, it reinforces the idea that Orks are the best because their gods are the best gods and some standard Ork comedy.

pm713 wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:

pm713 wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:

pm713 wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:

pm713 wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:
Its so weird that Gork and Mork are the strongest gods but THEY NEVER DO ANYTHING! Never empower there followers, never seem to affect the physical world in any way. Why even have gods at all?

Gork and Mork are too busy fighting each other. Gods aren't designed to help in 40k, they come from general belief in them. They don't do anything to help because they're busy fighting each other and ultimately, Orks don't need their help.

Litterally every other Warp god helps there people in some way shape or form.... All of them. The Choas Gods, the Emperor and the Eldar gods.

Because they either technically count as a very powerful mortal like the Emperor (he's stuck in reality and has a definite 'mortal' life), they've basically been bought as with Chaos or they believe that's how it works like with some Eldar gods.

Sooo what your saying is that the Orks would be no better or worse off if Gork and Mork just didnt fething exist.

I doubt it would effect them. They'd just pop up again anyway.

Sooo narrative wise what the actual feth is the point of Gork and Mork if they never fething do anything

It shows where Ork belief goes, it reinforces the idea that Orks are the best because their gods are the best gods and some standard Ork comedy.

Are they really the best? Strongest yes but zi think there stregth is outweighed by there sheer and utter uselessness.

chimera0205 wrote:

pm713 wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:

pm713 wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:

pm713 wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:
Its so weird that Gork and Mork are the strongest gods but THEY NEVER DO ANYTHING! Never empower there followers, never seem to affect the physical world in any way. Why even have gods at all?

Gork and Mork are too busy fighting each other. Gods aren't designed to help in 40k, they come from general belief in them. They don't do anything to help because they're busy fighting each other and ultimately, Orks don't need their help.

Litterally every other Warp god helps there people in some way shape or form.... All of them. The Choas Gods, the Emperor and the Eldar gods.

Because they either technically count as a very powerful mortal like the Emperor (he's stuck in reality and has a definite 'mortal' life), they've basically been bought as with Chaos or they believe that's how it works like with some Eldar gods.

Sooo what your saying is that the Orks would be no better or worse off if Gork and Mork just didnt fething exist.

I doubt it would effect them. They'd just pop up again anyway.

Sooo narrative wise what the actual feth is the point of Gork and Mork if they never fething do anything

Well they literally Deus Ex Machina'd Ghazzy out of a pretty bad position so I wouldn't say they do nothing. They just don't empower their followers physically. You could argue Ghazzy is an Ork 'daemon prince' or saint but it is his mind that has been empowered, not his muscle. As far as I'm aware he's without question the most intelligent and cunning Ork - read his interactions with Yarrick when the latter was captured, they're excellent and really show why Ghazzy is a cut above other bosses(IMO).

Orks believe that their strength comes from themselves alone. As their belief directly influences what Gork and Mork do it makes sense that they wouldn't buff up their followers. Orks don't believe they do it so they don't do it.

Orks would proably see divine intervention by Gork and Mork and empowering "chosen ones" with great physical prowress as cheating

Are we sure the
"You succeed, you grow bigger" is a purely physiological phenomenon? Do the successful orks really grow bigger because other orks believe better is bigger? The belief/faith locus in the warp for orks is their gods, so in a sense a succesful ork's growth could be attributed to their gods' influence.

I don't think Ghazzy is empowered by Gork/Mork at all, I prefer the idea he's just genuinely smart. I think a big part of Ork success is that some are incredibly smart compared to the average one.

There does seem to be some sort of exponential psychic and physical growth amongst the Orks in the War Of the Beast- they're bigger, stronger, smarter, the Beast's psychic presence is enough to drive whole planets mad...

That's the War Of the Beast, though, and I get the impression not everyone digs it..

 Skinflint Games wrote:
There does seem to be some sort of exponential psychic and physical growth amongst the Orks in the War Of the Beast- they're bigger, stronger, smarter, the Beast's psychic presence is enough to drive whole planets mad...

That's the War Of the Beast, though, and I get the impression not everyone digs it..

it's a canonical BL story, the days when you could wave your hand and dismiss black library as irrelevant are looooooooooong gone

BrianDavion wrote:

 Skinflint Games wrote:
There does seem to be some sort of exponential psychic and physical growth amongst the Orks in the War Of the Beast- they're bigger, stronger, smarter, the Beast's psychic presence is enough to drive whole planets mad...

That's the War Of the Beast, though, and I get the impression not everyone digs it..

it's a canonical BL story, the days when you could wave your hand and dismiss black library as irrelevant are looooooooooong gone

I quite liked the ones I read, they did a good job of capturing the desperation of fighting an unstoppable force with terrifying strength and numbers..

Back to OP's point, The Beast would be a good approximation of an Orky Living Saint, but he seems to have evolved from victory upon victory, developing at an exponential rate rather than being powered up by Gork or Mork

You could probably make an argument that anything involving Waaagh!! energy is a manifestation of the ork gods: if Gork and Mork are a creation of the orks' collective consciousness, then they are tied to the Waaagh!! so in turn, whatever boost it gives the orks can be seen as a gift from their gods. It's the old "it works because the orks believe it works" thing again, but with religion.

I'd go beyond anything involving WAAAAGH! energy and go so far as to say anything involving orkiness as Gork and Mork are the locii of all thinks orky.